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  Vunak23

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7/27/12 5:32:39 PM#141

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Kost

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7/27/12 5:35:08 PM#142
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

It's even funnier watching piss poor pvp try-hards attempting to defend what they consider to be pvp, when it is actually just an online form of bullying.

News flash slick: Real pvp enthusiasts don't purposefuly prey on the weakest opponents they can find. They seek out the most challenging.

  Vunak23

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7/27/12 5:36:49 PM#143
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Biskop
Funny thread, so full of emotions and hurting bottoms. Seems a lot of carebear types have strong opinions about PvP games/servers even though they apparently avoid them at all cost. Why do you expect PvP rulesets to respect your fear of pixel death? I mean I don't expect PvE rulesets to respect my desire to kill other players...

Also, some posters have entirely missed the whole point of open/ffa PvP. It's not about "fair" fights, it's about risk vs reward, a sense of danger that adds excitement even to mundane tasks like gathering and traveling. It's about in-game politics, warfare, metagaming. It involves skill on several levels, not just mastering the combat controls.

But I guess you'll never understand that if you think that PvP is all about e-sports and "fair" fights.

Miss the point? More like .. don't like the point.

So what if i like e-sport and arena pvp. Devs seems to "respect" that rule-set. In fact, the whole game LOL was designed based on that ... and it is immensed popular.

Who says what pvp is about? When i play pvp, it is about what i want it to be about ... NOT your preference.

Are you telling me you love the "danger" of being repeatedly killed/camped by higher level with no recourse? That is not danger, nor there is any reward ... the only thing there is frustration. If you like that, be my guess and vote with your wallet. I will vote with mine.

Griefer =/= Ganker.

And I don't mind if someone corpse camps me. I write there name down on my litle KOS sheet and when I am there level/same gear etc. I find them and do the same thing to them. Sorry your so sensitive that you can't enjoy  the excitement a PvP server brings to the table. But thats what PvE servers are for.

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Senden

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7/27/12 5:44:40 PM#144

I'm a "ganker" too if you will. Ever since I was in my level 20s and my friend taking me to southshore on WoW, I experienced world pvp and absolutely loved it. There was a certain thrill about killing someone in the open world and knowing you pissed them off..this was made extra funny for me as I used to go around with my friend and in voice chat he had the most sadistically funny laugh he'd do after every kill. 

 

Despite this though, I just can't understand the fun in going around one shotting lowbies. Outside of that, everything is fair game for me.. I particially love ganking people, leaving them on 1% health then letting mobs finish them off for durability loss.

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  gravesworn

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7/27/12 5:44:48 PM#145
I suck at pvp but i love games that are wpvp or ffa pvp. I like the thrill i get from being in constant danger. You all want to know what i do if a ganker or griefer is around? I group up and play in a party. I know what your thinking out there. This guy plays an mmo in a party so he doesnt get ganked? That is absurd.
  Kost

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7/27/12 5:46:52 PM#146
Originally posted by gravesworn
I suck at pvp but i love games that are wpvp or ffa pvp. I like the thrill i get from being in constant danger. You all want to know what i do if a ganker or griefer is around? I group up and play in a party. I know what your thinking out there. This guy plays an mmo in a party so he doesnt get ganked? That is absurd.

I like your style.

  Vunak23

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7/27/12 5:53:32 PM#147
Originally posted by Kost
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

It's even funnier watching piss poor pvp try-hards attempting to defend what they consider to be pvp, when it is actually just an online form of bullying.

News flash slick: Real pvp enthusiasts don't purposefuly prey on the weakest opponents they can find. They seek out the most challenging.

Real PvP enthusiasts.... lawl who sayed I preyed on weaker opponents? Only time I kill lowbies is if there being stupid and venture into a higher level zone. Only reason this even happens is because I dont check peoples gear/level/awareness before I pvp them......If you want that style of OWPVP then you should move to Korea. 

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  ThaneUlfgar

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7/27/12 5:55:23 PM#148

I'll admit to ganking from time to time. It's just the way of the road.

  Bladestrom

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7/27/12 5:57:40 PM#149
Originally posted by Senden

I'm a "ganker" too if you will. Ever since I was in my level 20s and my friend taking me to southshore on WoW, I experienced world pvp and absolutely loved it. There was a certain thrill about killing someone in the open world and knowing you pissed them off..this was made extra funny for me as I used to go around with my friend and in voice chat he had the most sadistically funny laugh he'd do after every kill. 

 

Despite this though, I just can't understand the fun in going around one shotting lowbies. Outside of that, everything is fair game for me.. I particially love ganking people, leaving them on 1% health then letting mobs finish them off for durability loss.

you cant understand ganking lowbies, but you enjoy grouping up and ganking up on people.  Gankers allways justify with their own little rules. taking pleasure in ruining other peoples playing pleasure is exactly what this thread is about.  Mememe(no ability to empathise) mememe?

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  nariusseldon

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7/27/12 6:00:34 PM#150

The good news is that there are always PvE games and i don't have to deal with gankers.

  Axehilt

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7/27/12 6:09:01 PM#151
Originally posted by Kyleran

Geez you two are so stiff, ganking has been permitted in some great PVP centric MMORPGs, not the least being DAOC, EVE, Lineage 2, Shadowbane and even WOW.

Hate ganking, but don't hate the games

 Games don't kill people, gankers do.

Er, well I didn't play any of the games you listed (except WOW) longer than the free month (except giving EVE like 4 separate one-more-week tries given all the hype around it.)  And even in WOW world PVP was trash I eventually learned to always roll PVE servers in MMORPGs.

Personally I never heard the term ganking before MMORPGs.  This correlates with my definition of ganking which has always been "PVPing someone PVEing".

You would never call "ganging up" ganking pre-MMORPGs, because that was simply teamwork -- there was no need for a special term.

  Sarla

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7/27/12 6:21:28 PM#152
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by Sarla

LOL great thread..  I didn't read it all but looks like a bunch of people need tissues haha

 

btw I love ganking its just great, and looting if its possible.. thats the best.  I miss old UO so bad...

 

I agree, it is a good thread. I wonder if the people who are ok with ganking are also the ones who enjoy getting ganked while they are trying to level their character. Because being corpse camped is fun! Why level when you can watch xxsepherothxxx dance on your bloody corpse?

Personally the loot is what drives me the most.  Griefing and dancing I don't care for.  Their have been times when I have ended up becoming friends with the person that I killed or was killed by because we started talking afterwards.  Believe it or not some people can take being killed and not cry about it.

However I will say this, given the chance to fight unfairly I will take any edge I can get.  I love stealthers and chars with speed boosts, and played a scout in SB all the time because of the advantage it gave me to strike when I choose and to withdraw when needed.  Even though the char was not as powerfull, I would just sneak around and wait till the time was right.

 

But I am always wiling to become friends and rez you after I have looted your dead body..

  Axehilt

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7/27/12 6:25:03 PM#153
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

Eh, I wouldn't outlaw it.

But I do frequently point out that world PVP is casual PVP.  Instead of victory being purely determined by skill and teamwork, population (unfair teams) is a factor.  But bringing more friends isn't skill it's just...having more friends (or joining a bigger guild.) So it's diluted PVP, not pure PVP.  No skill?  No problem: join a big guild and you're going to be at a huge advantage.

And yet in spite of that, world PVP is also vastly less popular (even though it's more casual.)

  Vunak23

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7/27/12 6:42:16 PM#154
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

Eh, I wouldn't outlaw it.

But I do frequently point out that world PVP is casual PVP.  Instead of victory being purely determined by skill and teamwork, population (unfair teams) is a factor.  But bringing more friends isn't skill it's just...having more friends (or joining a bigger guild.) So it's diluted PVP, not pure PVP.  No skill?  No problem: join a big guild and you're going to be at a huge advantage.

And yet in spite of that, world PVP is also vastly less popular (even though it's more casual.)

Except that this is wrong. You havning not played any true OW PvP games shows this. Most of the time the big guilds fall apart and end up losing more then they win in OW PvP. Its the smaller organized teams that usually win. Look at the mercs in DF. Smaller guild that took on the largest factions and won.

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"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Halandir

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7/27/12 6:59:17 PM#155
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

 

Strange thing to say. I feel no need to "outlaw" forced PvP in games. I just choose not to support such games financially. Plenty of games are built to suit your preference - Plenty to suit mine.

We will probably never meet eachother ingame and that is absolutely not a problem in any way.

 

We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
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  Vunak23

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7/27/12 7:42:24 PM#156
Originally posted by Halandir
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

 

Strange thing to say. I feel no need to "outlaw" forced PvP in games. I just choose not to support such games financially. Plenty of games are built to suit your preference - Plenty to suit mine.

We will probably never meet eachother ingame and that is absolutely not a problem in any way.

 

Fine with me. You chill on your PvE server and ill chill on my PvP server. What bothers me is the amount of people that roll PvP servers and then complain when PvP happens.

"In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo

  Axehilt

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7/27/12 7:46:43 PM#157
Originally posted by Vunak23

Except that this is wrong. You havning not played any true OW PvP games shows this. Most of the time the big guilds fall apart and end up losing more then they win in OW PvP. Its the smaller organized teams that usually win. Look at the mercs in DF. Smaller guild that took on the largest factions and won.

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The guilds I joined were often small tightnit groups who augmented themselves with a ton of spam members and never lost.  Boring, challengeless, casual PVP (when it actually happened which was rarish.)

Numbers are clearly an advantage, and the guilds I joined knew this.

Whereas other PVP games I play are wholly decided by skill and I never have to bother shopping around guilds to just get a consistently fun, close PVP experience.  Quite the opposite: many PUB matches end up being great, close battles.

So it's not that victory isn't possible and skill doesn't matter, but that the experience is diluted by non-skill factors which ruins the entire point of competitive gaming.

  Bladestrom

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7/27/12 7:52:51 PM#158
Originally posted by Vunak23
Originally posted by Halandir
Originally posted by Vunak23

Its funny reading all these carebear posts.

If they had it there way, any form of PvP aside from instanced battlegrounds would be outlawed.

 

Strange thing to say. I feel no need to "outlaw" forced PvP in games. I just choose not to support such games financially. Plenty of games are built to suit your preference - Plenty to suit mine.

We will probably never meet eachother ingame and that is absolutely not a problem in any way.

 

Fine with me. You chill on your PvE server and ill chill on my PvP server. What bothers me is the amount of people that roll PvP servers and then complain when PvP happens.

This thread is about ganking though, which is is not exactly pvp. Its sneaking up and destroying someone on low level who has no way of defending themeselves.  Thats a world away from fighting someone who has a fair chance of fighting back.  Even EVE one of the major hardcore pvp players has some etiquette to protect the weak from ganking.

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  kartool

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7/27/12 7:53:54 PM#159

You want to kill my lowbie toon as you run past, go ahead. That's fine, you ganked me. I'll rez and continue with what I was diong. You camp my body and purposely kill me over and over again with the only intention of ruining any fun I am having in the game. That makes you a douchebag griefer - plain and simple. I don't hate you, I'll just log off and go do something else but you're still a douchebag.

PvP isn't a license to be a douchebag. Ganking lowbies when you come across them is perfectly fair in my opinion. Camping lowbie areas and killing them over and over is what drives people away from PvP centric games. It's why I won't roll on PvP servers anymore. I have a life outside of games and don't have time to power-level. I want to enjoy the game when I have an hour here and there to play - not be killed by some guy who thinks it's funny to make sure I don't have fun in-game.

  Vunak23

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7/27/12 7:55:09 PM#160
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Vunak23

Except that this is wrong. You havning not played any true OW PvP games shows this. Most of the time the big guilds fall apart and end up losing more then they win in OW PvP. Its the smaller organized teams that usually win. Look at the mercs in DF. Smaller guild that took on the largest factions and won.

http://www.thenoobcomic.com/index.php?pos=69

Last panel

The guilds I joined were often small tightnit groups who augmented themselves with a ton of spam members and never lost.  Boring, challengeless, casual PVP (when it actually happened which was rarish.)

Numbers are clearly an advantage, and the guilds I joined knew this.

Whereas other PVP games I play are wholly decided by skill and I never have to bother shopping around guilds to just get a consistently fun, close PVP experience.  Quite the opposite: many PUB matches end up being great, close battles.

Kinda wondering what OW PvP games you have played since you already said you didnt play Lineage 2 DAoC EVE or Shadowbane. Because yes numbers make a difference, but they only make a difference if those numbers can work together. I have seen in L2 , DF etc. Smaller groups demolishing groups that have twice there numbers just because there organized. So yes numbers can mean something but its not the be all end all. Shit mercs would run around in DF of 10-12 people and take on twice there numbers quite frequently.

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