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  XXXNemesis3X

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7/27/12 8:16:36 AM#41
Originally posted by dageeza

Personally i still see WoW as both the cadillac and ever so slowly dying king of traditional style MMOs and it will be for a long time, Wow is so much the king in fact that it over and over again destroys its fresh meat new cloned competition in the traditional subbed mmo industry and for those that cling to yesteryears ways or are new to gaming both young or old Wow will still be the king for a while..

However in its domination of near MMORPG perfection and uniform formulation over all these years there was several unknown factors at the time that began to slowly come into play..

One of these being how many long time players would burn out on WoWs treadmill and raid system and desire something different, something fun yet deep but the call for such a game generally fell on deaf corporate ears as they were to concerned about trying to make the next clone with a twist and become the next WoW..

Enter GW2:

The OP could be correct in saying GW2 may be the next WoW..

Anet has taken basicly the same path in which blizzard took to the bank in the sense of bringing all the best ideas of the best modern MMos and added their own evolutionary twists and innovations to bring us the anti-WoW MMORPG..

Anet being gamers themselves and having a great business model realized there is potentially millions of displaced/disgruntled gamers looking for something different and fun and that more new disgruntled gamers are being made every day and they chose to go down the same path as blizzard but in a different direction, not unlike WoW done in 2004 with dubbing itself "EQ done right" in which so many of us were literally starving for..

Personally i see GW2 as the next big thing and over time overtaking WoW player number wise as it declines and blizzard prepares and focuses on the titan project..

As much as i and many of us love GW2 it still has some unknown factors and has to survive and thrive the test of time something i am confident GW2 can do but its something WoW has already done..

Edit:

I hunger for what GW2 brings to the table just like i hungered for and craved for what WoW brought in the day and this was a feeling i never thought i would have again..

This. New gamers have such a short memory. They forgot something important, World Of Warcraft was not build in 1 day. People slowly merged into this game and it eventually became what is it today. At first, when WoW was released, it had a lot of draw back, but blizzard never gave up and they listened the community which made it what it is today.

Arena Net wanted to offer something different, The Anti Wow-Style, Which is quite good because people leaving WoW does not want to get into a new MMORPG that will be like it. If I wanted to play a game like WoW, I would play WoW because I know WoW is just better than any WoW wanna be...

finally, We are starting to see revolution in the MMORPG industrie and I hope it continue that way because the WoW model is outdated for me. That's why I am moving toward to Guild Wars 2. I played it, I liked it, and I don't fell like I need to argue more. If those hater help to make a kind of shield that protect this game from bringing Jerk, I have no problem with it, because the game breaker for me is when the community is meh...

  Elikal

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OP  7/27/12 8:22:54 AM#42
Originally posted by Enigmatus
Originally posted by Puraimaru

Highly disagree! GW2 is not the new WoW! Its way different to WoW even though it is also better and more improved.  Very Silly thread OP

That wasn't the point the OP was trying to make.

I THINK the point that the OP was trying to make is that GW2 is like WoW in one major aspect: they are both fairly popular, and while both have things that can be legitimately criticized, there are some people who rail against both of them JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE POPULAR.

Thanks, that is what I was trying to say, not that GW2 is or is not like WOW in game terms.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Lord.Bachus

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7/27/12 8:31:58 AM#43

GW2 is the next step in MMO evolution.

 

UO - EQ (3D) - DAoC (first decent PvP) - WoW - GW2

 

It will not be the new WoW, it will be the first GW2

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Elikal

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OP  7/27/12 8:35:11 AM#44
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

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The OP cannot imagine how anyone can NOT like GW2, so his conclusion is that the criticism is only a form a jealousy because the game is "so popular".

 

...

Sorry, but that's not true. I think EVE and Planetside are very good games, but I totally hate them. The people who love EVE and Planetside explained quite well why they love it, and I can accept and respect that. If someone explains it well, I can accept different opinions and tastes. But in terms of WOW I have seen too many unreasonable and purely childish attacks which just made no sense. I mean, WOW HAS enough points to critizise it, but I guess success attracts critics who want to make themselves appear "elite" by critizising something that masses liked.

Happens with books and movies and fashion and many other stuff.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Xarko

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7/27/12 8:36:14 AM#45

I dont think GW2 will so much of an epic success in a long term, but I can see other mmo devs stealing stuff from it to their mmos for sure :)

  NightBandit

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7/27/12 8:39:41 AM#46
Originally posted by Eir_S

A good insight, but much like WoW, GW2 will be able to withstand the critics, so the only losers are those who refuse to play for some misguided loyalty to another game.

 +1

As usual you talk sense and have hit the nail on the head...

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  joartsil

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7/27/12 8:50:16 AM#47

I'm interested in the creative snobbery others have touched on here, which of course isn't limited to video games.

We see it right across the creative spectrum, especially in music. Y'know, that new indie band, with the charismatic lead singer, and some original songs. They attract a loyal following because they are new and edgy and, very importantly to 'musos', nobody's heard of them; those bands out there on the margins, where their loyal  fans have a voice and an identity.

But woe betide that little band that sells out to the mainstream. A plague upon you!!

I think this quote from one of my favourite all-time movies, The Commitments, sums it up quite well:

Outspan: Cos you know everything about music, Jimmy. You had the Frankie Goes To Hollywood album before anyone had ever heard of them. And you were the first to realise they were shite.

I'm not bothered about the WoW v GW2 debate, which seems quite tribal in nature - love v hate, like so much. Both are big IPs, both will make money.

I think creative snobbery in the MMO genre tends to manifest itself more in sandbox v themepark discussions, though I couldn't possibly say where I think most of the snobs in that debate reside.

 

 

  Havekk

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7/27/12 9:01:15 AM#48
Originally posted by Elikal

in terms of trolling and anti-trolling. Really, guys, following the GW2 discussion here and on other forums that already a process has begun which so far was WOWs hallmark: it gets critizised because it is very succesful, and some people just LOVE to bash something popular to establish their underdog/anti-mainstream identity. You know these kinda guys (and it IS usally guys!) from school, university, as work colleagues and neighbour: the guy who always hates Harry Potter and Star Wars, who always reads obscure literature he calls "classics" and weird French movies und usually dresses in black. The anti. The rebel without a cause, but to attack everything that is mass popular to show how very ELITE he is.

 

You know, if your taste really and honestly is different or special, I am the first to respect that. Really. But I can't help but feel for a whole lot of folks it is POSING. Otherwise you wouldn't show off it so vehemently and vulgar. (sorry)

 

I know WoW has enough points to be critizised, and GW2 will also have points we find worth to critizise. But the different between an honest critique and a trolling basher is, that trolling is unfounded commonplaces while critique is reasonable in words and based on experience and facts. We had so many "this game sucks, it has dragged everything down, it is for noobs" unsubstantial attacks. We have that on every MMO, given, but in the case of WOW it simply has a MUCH more vast number. It has this point where a leap of quantity became a change of quality, and in this case in trolling.

And that is what I see with GW2, alas, already. People not critizising actual stuff in GW2, but BASHING. Guys, you know if something feel wrong to me, I will always critizise a game. But go inside yourself and ask yourself: am I attacking GW2 because of something I experienced and disliked, or do I critizise GW2 *maybe* because it is becoming so popular? Lie to us, if you must, but be at least honest to yourself.

Just something I wanted to say in the already evolving (and probably unavoidable) trollwars. I always respect serious and reasonable opponents in opinion. But unfounded trolling is just making you look silly, silly.

I don't see anything differently going on with GW2 then any other game on this site. I have been around awhile - longer then my account would suggest ; ) This game bashing has been going on forever, with every game. And it gets worse just before release. It was awful with Conan, it was awful with Final Fantasy 14 (deserved..lol) it was awful with TOR, Tera, and TSW. It's just as bad as usual. 

 

It's this weird need that people have for their "thing" to be the "best". And it's not just here. Go to the graphic card forums and check out the ATI vs. Nvidia - Go to a tech site and watch the Android vs. Apple debate. It's rampant. And it's sad. It's self interest plain and simple and it isn't going anywhere until people wake up and move past it. Which isn't going to happen. 

 

I must be some sort of weirdo myself as I like and play TSW... and I really enjoyed and will play GW2 - 

  quikmixx

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7/27/12 9:04:43 AM#49
Originally posted by Eir_S

A good insight, but much like WoW, GW2 will be able to withstand the critics, so the only losers are those who refuse to play for some misguided loyalty to another game.

 

Im not sure i follow you here. So somebody who decides not to play guild wars 2 is a loser or misguided. Im suprised no one has call you out on how idiotic your statement sounds. Have you ever considered that they may not like the game? Not every person is going to like a game you like. They have their reasons to dislike the game for the same reasons you may like the game.

The only similarity i can see between guild wars 2 and wow are how delusional both communities seem to be when it involves anything dealing with their game.

The only thing that makes the WOW community seem less obnoxious is the fact they they have the numbers(sales) to back their statements.

  Tafale

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7/27/12 9:18:07 AM#50

You should be careful with trivilasing different opinions as snobbery or haters. Sure it's a real problem but I'm also sure many are disappointed, have valid criticism or simply didn't enjoy playing it while being fully aware of the game mechanics. 

 

I've not tried GW2 yet but is interested, still I can easily see that inane fanboys and haters are a problem (mostly in their bad behaviour mixed with tunnel vision).

  toddze

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I am not a hater, I call it like I see it.

7/27/12 9:25:02 AM#51
Originally posted by Elikal
 

I expected you to know better Elikal, as I have seen you around these forums enough to know how it works, wool must have been pulled over your eyes. GWII is nothing more than the next flavor of the month. Every high profile title themepark gets a lot of "disscussions".

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  Kyleran

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7/27/12 9:26:44 AM#52
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

GW2 is the next step in MMO evolution.

 

UO - EQ (3D) - DAoC (first decent PvP) - WoW - GW2

 

It will not be the new WoW, it will be the first GW2

ER, you can take off the fan glasses for a moment.

Realize you missed the point of the OP entirely, reread and come back again please.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Kyus_HoB

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7/27/12 9:27:25 AM#53

I'd say that I have been a farily strong defender of Guild Wars 2, but I understand the origional posters point of view. 

Whilst Guild Wars 2 clearly has a very large following of fans, I have found that a lot of the criticism leveled has been incredibly misinformed. Many compare purely based on Guild Wars 1 or do not understand what the game offers fully and this even includes people from beta weekends who are approaching the game from a very narrow minded perspective.

I have taken issue with some of the negatives on the forums not because Guild Wars 2 doesn't have things to work on, but because Arena Net have delivered exactly what they said they would deliver. If people personally didn't like that its up to them and its great to have diverse opinions but a true critical analysis of Guild Wars 2 reveals that it delivers in all the categories for its target audience, compare this to SWTOR which was a shell compared to the original manifesto from Bioware. 

Couple the above paragraph with Guild Wars 2 having no subscription and a modest cash shop of fluff to support further development and you end up with a very good, incredibly polished game that appeals to the audience it set out to capture and that consitutes the best value for money in regards to content and subscription that I think we have seen to date.

 

#Edit TL;DR If you don't like the style of guild wars 2 for any reason I think you still have to accept that Arena Net have done a fantastic job and that setting standards as high as this is great for the genre.

  SpottyGekko

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7/27/12 9:41:03 AM#54
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by SpottyGekko

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The OP cannot imagine how anyone can NOT like GW2, so his conclusion is that the criticism is only a form a jealousy because the game is "so popular".

 

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Sorry, but that's not true. I think EVE and Planetside are very good games, but I totally hate them. The people who love EVE and Planetside explained quite well why they love it, and I can accept and respect that. If someone explains it well, I can accept different opinions and tastes. But in terms of WOW I have seen too many unreasonable and purely childish attacks which just made no sense. I mean, WOW HAS enough points to critizise it, but I guess success attracts critics who want to make themselves appear "elite" by critizising something that masses liked.

Happens with books and movies and fashion and many other stuff.

My apologies then, I just got the impression that you were implying that "most" of the criticism of GW2 was based on nothing more than "hating on the most popular".

 

As I was trying to say in my original post, enjoying a game (or any entertainment medium for that matter) is a very subjective thing. A game may "work for you" or "click with you" or any similar expression. It's often difficult to describe the technical reasons why that happens, because it's the sum-total of many aspects of the game. It has far more to do with emotion than logic.

 

Many people do not express themselves very well, and trying to logically describe an emotional reaction is a challenge even for the most articulate. So people will often struggle to find a "convincing" reason why they don't like a game. That's because there's no logic involved, it's just personal taste. Yet, they will feel compelled to produce a "logical" reason, so they will attack some random game feature that irritates them the most.

 

Of course, there are those people that just love to "grief" people on forums. And the easiest way to do that is to post something really negative in a busy forum full of happy fans. They just want to post and sit back with a big bowl of popcorn to enjoy the mayhem they've caused.

  MattVid

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7/27/12 9:55:00 AM#55

Nobody cares what silly hipsters think anyways.

  lifeordinary

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7/27/12 10:35:59 AM#56
Originally posted by NightBandit
Originally posted by Eir_S

A good insight, but much like WoW, GW2 will be able to withstand the critics, so the only losers are those who refuse to play for some misguided loyalty to another game.

 +1

As usual you talk sense and have hit the nail on the head...

Bandit.

There are two sides to every coin, you can not arrive to proper reasoning by only looking at one side. I have no idea how that post makes sense unless you want to see things only and only from your own biased prespective.

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7/27/12 10:38:51 AM#57

Sorry but this will not be the new WoW as you put it. Just more hype people love to give this thing. 

  Amana

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7/27/12 11:47:04 AM#58

This discussion is a little meta, but this forum is about the game and not for complaining about the other posters.

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