Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Eir_S

I voted on the third option down.  That's my safest bet for the time being.

 Just FYI, right now, if you judge success by most subs ever had....SWTOR is the most successful MMO post WoW.  I don't think it will be difficult for GW2 to beat SWTOR ;).

World wide it was Aion and EvE , Aion got continously over 3M subs, EvE also got a lot of subs but dont remember if it was released initially before or after WoW

 Very true!  I guess I was talking about just the US market and didn't realize it :).  Eve also never had anywhere near the amount of simultaneous subs as SWTOR...but it sustained those subs for much longer, which is probably much more important.

If they ever combine EvE and GW2 intoo a fantasy setting, i will play for sure ;)

Originally posted by Thillian

GW2, SWTOR and WAR. All these three games have the same thing in common. They have enormous hype, gigantic fanbase and are getting huge media attention. In my experience, the more hype a game gets the worse it actually really is. And I don't think this will be any different. 

the FACT is ArenaNet delivered EVERYTHING they said and didnt lie about anything they did

unlike bioware (probably EA fault here) and WAR.

Originally posted by liliyo

Originally posted by Thillian

GW2, SWTOR and WAR. All these three games have the same thing in common. They have enormous hype, gigantic fanbase and are getting huge media attention. In my experience, the more hype a game gets the worse it actually really is. And I don't think this will be any different. 

the FACT is ArenaNet delivered EVERYTHING they said and didnt lie about anything they did

unlike bioware (probably EA fault here) and WAR.

 

How is that a fact, when GW2 wasn't even released yet. I dont remember a single feature that Bioware or Mythic would lie about to be SWTOR or WAR, they just hyped sub-par features, similar to GW2. 

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by Creslin321

Originally posted by Eir_S

I voted on the third option down.  That's my safest bet for the time being.

 Just FYI, right now, if you judge success by most subs ever had....SWTOR is the most successful MMO post WoW.  I don't think it will be difficult for GW2 to beat SWTOR ;).

World wide it was Aion and EvE , Aion got continously over 3M subs, EvE also got a lot of subs but dont remember if it was released initially before or after WoW

 Very true!  I guess I was talking about just the US market and didn't realize it :).  Eve also never had anywhere near the amount of simultaneous subs as SWTOR...but it sustained those subs for much longer, which is probably much more important.

If they ever combine EvE and GW2 intoo a fantasy setting, i will play for sure ;)

 This, as long as they remove the skill system Eve uses. Eve's skill system is the only reason i was turned off to that entire game. They have a ton of redundant skills that can be consolidated

If we remove wow's heavily inflated 10 million number from the asian markets that don't even pay subs which is rumored to be more around 4 or 5 mill, I say yes it could possibly top those numbers here in the west based on the percieved general feeling of gamers all around and having played the game myself, the no sub also helps majorily I know personally people that don't ever touch sub games but have bought GW2.

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by liliyo

Originally posted by Thillian

GW2, SWTOR and WAR. All these three games have the same thing in common. They have enormous hype, gigantic fanbase and are getting huge media attention. In my experience, the more hype a game gets the worse it actually really is. And I don't think this will be any different. 

the FACT is ArenaNet delivered EVERYTHING they said and didnt lie about anything they did

unlike bioware (probably EA fault here) and WAR.

How is that a fact, when GW2 wasn't even released yet. I dont remember a single feature that Bioware or Mythic would lie about to be SWTOR or WAR, they just hyped sub-par features, similar to GW2. 

How would you know they are sub par if you haven't played the game?

They are, in fact, above par - above average implementation of features - as such liliyo is 100% correct.

Factual and accurate.

TOR, Illum didn't/doesn't work - WvW in GW2 works and works well.

WAR - castle siege/capture and such barely worked (not really at all) and they cut 6 cities and 4 classes before launch, GW2 has all content they promised in game, and we've played it / tested it - it works.

Just two examples...

Originally posted by BadSpock

Originally posted by Thillian

Originally posted by liliyo

Originally posted by Thillian

GW2, SWTOR and WAR. All these three games have the same thing in common. They have enormous hype, gigantic fanbase and are getting huge media attention. In my experience, the more hype a game gets the worse it actually really is. And I don't think this will be any different. 

the FACT is ArenaNet delivered EVERYTHING they said and didnt lie about anything they did

unlike bioware (probably EA fault here) and WAR.

How is that a fact, when GW2 wasn't even released yet. I dont remember a single feature that Bioware or Mythic would lie about to be SWTOR or WAR, they just hyped sub-par features, similar to GW2. 

How would you know they are sub par if you haven't played the game?

They are, in fact, above par - above average implementation of features - as such liliyo is 100% correct.

Factual and accurate.

TOR, Illum didn't/doesn't work - WvW in GW2 works and works well.

WAR - castle siege/capture and such barely worked (not really at all) and they cut 6 cities and 4 classes before launch, GW2 has all content they promised in game, and we've played it / tested it - it works.

Just two examples...

Another example is that ANet isn't cutting out content right before release, the same way WAR did. Mythic cut classes and cities right before release.

As a big fan of Rift, I still had to vote this:

"It will be the most successful MMO post WoW"

For what i have seen so far, thee most sucessful mmo of the last years without a doubt.

Successful, but a niche game in a similar sense to GW1.

Reasoning:  Oversaturated market, limited marketing, different appeal than typical P2P title, unknown replayability.

will make huge money in the first week and then after a month the sales will die to nothing as will content updates.

Originally posted by keenber

will make huge money in the first week and then after a month the sales will die to nothing as will content updates.

Yet they somehow managed plenty of updates in GW1 with the exact same marketing plan. I'm willing to take a gamble on ANets history here.......

Originally posted by keenber

will make huge money in the first week and then after a month the sales will die to nothing as will content updates.

You are very very wrong.

Most people havent even heared or considered playing GW2, this will be the first game since WoW where sales gradually will continue. Mouth to mouth advertisment will make sure of that.  This game you cna join 3 months after release without fearing to find empty zones all over the place.

Over time GW2 will slowly overtake a declining Wow..

It is possible but only time will tell us if anet can pull it off..

The safe bet however would be option 3...

Originally posted by grimal

Successful, but a niche game in a similar sense to GW1.

Reasoning:  Oversaturated market, limited marketing, different appeal than typical P2P title, unknown replayability.

GW1 is the second best selling MMO of all time in the West, and GW2 is far more ambitious, far more heavily marketed, and has far larger release sale predictions. I highly doubt it will be "niche."

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by grimal

Successful, but a niche game in a similar sense to GW1.

Reasoning:  Oversaturated market, limited marketing, different appeal than typical P2P title, unknown replayability.

GW1 is the second best selling MMO of all time in the West, and GW2 is far more ambitious, far more heavily marketed, and has far larger release sale predictions. I highly doubt it will be "niche."

Not entirely true, because you have to see that GW1 was actually.  4 sepperate games, so you have to divide the numbers by 4.  Its hard to compare games with different merchandise models with eachother.

And so you can not compare GW2 to the orriginal GW either. 

The poll prooves so far that people belive GW2 will be atleast the best MMO since WoW

Will do ok for few months, until most players grow bored with it. Just like any other new MMO.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Originally posted by khamul787

Originally posted by grimal

Successful, but a niche game in a similar sense to GW1.

Reasoning:  Oversaturated market, limited marketing, different appeal than typical P2P title, unknown replayability.

GW1 is the second best selling MMO of all time in the West, and GW2 is far more ambitious, far more heavily marketed, and has far larger release sale predictions. I highly doubt it will be "niche."

Not entirely true, because you have to see that GW1 was actually.  4 sepperate games, so you have to divide the numbers by 4.  Its hard to compare games with different merchandise models with eachother.

 

And so you can not compare GW2 to the orriginal GW either. 

 

 

The poll prooves so far that people belive GW2 will be atleast the best MMO since WoW

Box sales wise, absolutely. There's no way around that. The game is too awesome ^ ^

Originally posted by BadSpock

GW2 is going to be a major, major player in the MMO genre and a "game-changer" in terms of shaping the future of this genre.

That being said, nothing is going to straight up "kill WoW" but WoW itself - and that's just a combination of time and age and limitations of their design.

If GW2 ever has more players than WoW it won't be till after another couple of years at least.

Very logical. I agree.

Sidenote: you have a bit too many options in the poll ;)