Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Starpower

I don't really care what kind of weird parelells you want to draw to the real world personalities as, this is not what this post is about. Which you would know if you actually read the post to begin with

It's the reason behind it all.

Remember we are talking about video games here. Sometimes people play in a manner that represents their true nature, but often times, people take on a different persona when they play a video game. That's fun for some, and one of the reasons they game in the first place. Trying to decipher another player's RL nature based on how they game is beyond a waste of time.

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Starpower

I don't really care what kind of weird parelells you want to draw to the real world personalities as, this is not what this post is about. Which you would know if you actually read the post to begin with

It's the reason behind it all.

Trying to decipher another player's RL nature based on how they game is beyond a waste of time.

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Somone who kills another person while they are questing or harvesting.  PvP should only occur when both sides know its iminent such as in a zone specifically set up for PvP'ing.

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Somone who kills another person while they are questing or harvesting.  PvP should only occur when both sides know its iminent such as in a zone specifically set up for PvP'ing.

Why not do away with all that and only have consentual duels. That's real pvp right?

To me, ganker just means someone who kills another player when they weren't prepared for PvP combat. Such as being ganked by another player when fighting a mob.

Another player going to a lowbie zone just to kill low level players is a griefer. There are guilds made up of griefers who's entire point of playing is to just mess with other players and make their game time unenjoyable.

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by waynejr2

Originally posted by Starpower

I don't really care what kind of weird parelells you want to draw to the real world personalities as, this is not what this post is about. Which you would know if you actually read the post to begin with

It's the reason behind it all.

Trying to decipher another player's RL nature based on how they game is beyond a waste of time.

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A ganker is an pvper that will take any opertunity to kill other players in the game, weither it is seen as honorable or not does not matter to the player/character. Examples of gankers in history would be assassins, ninjas, spys, even mobs attacks could be seen as gankers, since they do what ever is needed to finish their objective regardless of how they do it. There is trully nothing wrong with ganking as it is a form of pvp/attack yet it is almost always seen as a negative as well as unhonorable tactic to use, and so garners less respect from people that hear about it. Also most gankers use the fact of that if you are fighting fair you are doing something wrong, where to a true fighter the knowledge of both fight/beating someone equal or better than you in a fair fight is an equal thrill to just the fight itself. I would liken it to coming out of a unfair fight against several people as the winner, or beating someone that used unfair or cheap tatics in a fight while you fought fairly.

Honestly I always though they you should have two forms of points for pvp that you can use to buy or aquire things thru, such as honorable kills as well as dishonorable kills. Then you convert the points into pvp points or currency at a certain rate, with honorable kills actually giving much higher conversions, compared to dishonorable kills, this would actually penalize the players that seek to take the easy road, while allowing those that seek honorable kills an incentive to feel theey are being rewarded for it. You could also further penlize increasingly dishonorable acts like killing targets that have little or no ability to fight back, being severly outnumbered, and such by giving them less points for each dishonorable kill they do in such situations.

I'm gonna put up a list of things I did do, and people can classify what each thing I did counts as:

1. killing low level who is PVP flagged once just because.
2. killing low level who is PVP flagged because they attacked me while I was PVP flagged.
3. Hiding in a tree and sniping any PVP flagged person with low HP.
4. Divebombing. I'm flying and I see a person who is PVP flagged and at low health after a duel. I fly in quickly and shoot him, then trigger my parachute to prevent fall damage. Once I hit the ground after inertia pushes me away, I trigger my nitro boost and flee.
5. Doing any of the above while in enemy territory/near their capital city.
6. Luring PVP flagged characters to a cliff/high point, then knocking them off said cliff with knockback AOE.
7. Attacking town in a raid group to get the attention of higher level PVP people.

Originally posted by Starpower

Originally posted by Zylaxx

Somone who kills another person while they are questing or harvesting.  PvP should only occur when both sides know its iminent such as in a zone specifically set up for PvP'ing.

Why not do away with all that and only have consentual duels. That's real pvp right?

To many styles of fighters ranging from samurai, knights, and many martial artists that is true pvp, as it is a effort to determine who is more skilled (both thru training, and innate talent.). though it is not to say universal even among those kinds of people or fighters as some think that winning regardless of the method is the entire pursuit of fighting/pvping. Really it is two different mindsets one is that of those that seek to improve or prove their ability against people that are equal to them much like tournament fightrers, while others it is more like a job or entertainment such as muggers that use fighting/weapons/surprise to gain money at the  expense of their victims.

Originally posted by Enigmatus

I'm gonna put up a list of things I did do, and people can classify what each thing I did counts as:

1. killing low level who is PVP flagged once just because.
2. killing low level who is PVP flagged because they attacked me while I was PVP flagged.
3. Hiding in a tree and sniping any PVP flagged person with low HP.
4. Divebombing. I'm flying and I see a person who is PVP flagged and at low health after a duel. I fly in quickly and shoot him, then trigger my parachute to prevent fall damage. Once I hit the ground after inertia pushes me away, I trigger my nitro boost and flee.
5. Doing any of the above while in enemy territory/near their capital city.
6. Luring PVP flagged characters to a cliff/high point, then knocking them off said cliff with knockback AOE.
7. Attacking town in a raid group to get the attention of higher level PVP people.

1.  Griefer

2.  Normal

3.  Opportunist

4.  Ganker

5.  Thrill-seeker

6.  Youtube sensation

7.  Normal

According to the TITLE of the thread, to me, a ganker is a POS.

Originally posted by ItsGopher

ganking is when a group of people kill a single person 'gang kill' ~ gank' 

 

However, the term is used pretty loosely. Generally, it just describes a player killing another player when they were unaware. 

"Awh man, Jimbob just ganked me while I was farming Copper Ore!"

I agree. 

But I have always believed that the ability to grief, rather, was based on someone having the luxury to grind gear and levels non-stop due to limited real life commitments.  Meanwhile, Bob the computer guy comes home, and by 8 pm has finally got the kids in their rooms, the dishes are done, the wife is doing something to keep her busy.

He logs in to start leveling because he really loved Mortal Online, Darkfall, a pvp server in an mmorpg he enjoys, etc., only to be repeatedly destroyed by the above griefer who has gotten bored of capping out ablities all day while Bob was at work.

This is why I cannot list one successful sandbox.

Anyway, sorry that my answer was a bit off the topic.

no matter what the situation is, in todays MMOs a ganker is the winner of a pvp fight.  and the loser is laying their dead screaming SUPID GANKER!!

Originally posted by DrunkWolf

no matter what the situation is, in todays MMOs a ganker is the winner of a pvp fight.  and the loser is laying their dead screaming STUPID GANKER!!

I think you just won the thread

Originally posted by DrunkWolf

no matter what the situation is, in todays MMOs a ganker is the winner of a pvp fight.  and the loser is laying their dead screaming SUPID GANKER!!

I have seen just as many times a ganker get stomped by their target, because they either gauged them wrong, or just got out played by another player.  Normally it is either "Stupid hacker" when the ganker loses, or "damn ganker/griefer" when the gankie  loses.

A reason to move to another server? lol

To me, a "ganker" is the player choosing underpowered (easy) targets for their kills. It could be a player way under their level, a player with half of their life (or less) remaining after (or during) another fight, or a group of players on 1 player. These are the players not looking for a "fair fight", or any semblance thereof. They seek the upper hand for whatever reason.

Someone who can't win in a fair fight with skills.

There is only 1 TRUE dedicated Grief guild in mmos

Originally posted by Magnetia

Someone who can't win in a fair fight with skills.

What about the skill to turn the situation in your favor? What about the skill to be aware of your surroundings and be able to disengage and escape? What about often overlooked skill of "not playing a game with non-consentual pvp", if you don't like the rules of the game?

I'm usually on the receiving side of any pvp, but you people are looking like a full thread of complete and utter twits to me.

As was previously defined the original term came from getting jumped by surprise in superior numbers.  That however refers to RL.  In video game terms it simply means you are attacked by someone or group who presents overwhelming odds that short of a miracle you cannot hope to win against.  Ganking is typically accompanied by being jumped (surprise attacked), often while doing an activity where you didn't expect to be up against a player.  The main difference in my mind between ganking and griefing is the latter is doing it over and over again for the pure personal pleasure of ruining anothers gaming experience.  Although some will argue they grief in the hopes to start a much larger PvP event but let's be honest with ourselves, that is just an excuse for those who are too lazy to attempt to start a real large scale PvP event or participate in those which are already provided by the game itself.