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General Discussion  » IGN gives TSW 7 / 10

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  BadSpock

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7/26/12 11:51:23 AM#21
Originally posted by bcbully

Funny how real people think the game is a 8-9.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-secret-world

If you think Metacritic user ratings = real people, you sir are confused.

Metacritic user ratings are the biggest pile of crap on the planet - so easily skewed and manipulated, they are about as accurate of a judge as polling about gay marriage at an Evangelical church.

 

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  Wakygreek

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Reason is a necessity

7/26/12 11:51:49 AM#22
Originally posted by JosephJR

 compared IGN's another mmorpg rewiews I dissagree

they score  sound 7/10...it should be 10/10

they score graphic 7/10 shoul be 10/10

they score gameplay 7/10 should be 8/10,personal 9/10

they score presentation 8/10 should be 9/10

they score lasting appeal  6/10...should be 8/10....personal 9/10

 

 

i dislike in TSW  ; cut scenes & voice acting(  devs should stop with that crap in MMORPG's) , PvP(tryed & still trying  find some fun but it is  bad

 My response is of course purely opinion. However I cannot help but think that your grading system is more along the lines of heavily biased unless of course you can give us a really good reason why you give TSW almost all high ratings. IGN's score is fair if not a little too kind.

  bcbully

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7/26/12 11:52:42 AM#23
Originally posted by Alot

 


Originally posted by Wickedjelly

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Defend what? Wtf are you talking about? 7.0 is a good score. Hence why it even shows it as being good.

 

Not sure what your point is.


 

I'm not sure if you have been following the official TSW forums, but every reviewer that gives a score <8 gets torn apart by TSW fanboys. They will consider this review to be an attempt at bashing TSW. Now, this soon-to-be-torn-apart review is special, because it's from IGN, and about a month ago IGN made a VERY positive preview for TSW. It was so positive that people expected IGN's final score for TSW to be around 9 or so.

I, however, was telling people not to have too much faith in IGN. And after that the entire thread turned on me because I was obviously just a GW2 fanboy bashing TSW and IGN because they liked TSW (or seemed to like).

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The reason why TSW people get so upset with a 7 is because most of the gaming community thinks the game is a 8-9. 

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-secret-world

 

Really though the more I play the more I understand why some would say it's a seven. TSW is a tough game with no guide rails to how you build your character. The smartest, best mmo players can and certainly will gimp themselves a few times along the way.  If you want to be challenged, TSW is the game for you. EvE is too, but that game made me cry sooo... If this is not what you are looking for the learning curve in TSW will surley take some points of your score.

 

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  Preacher26

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7/26/12 11:54:00 AM#24

Sounds and Graphics are top notch.

longevity is where it hurts and replayability.... and the esports pvp but thats the same as 99% of the MMOs out there.

 

Ide give it an 8/10 overall if I was comparing it to the other crap on the market.

Ide give it a 5/10 overall if it was based on what im looking for and expect PERSONALLY out of a 2012 mmo.

  Iselin

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7/26/12 11:54:12 AM#25
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by BadSpock

For some reason I thought this was a TOR thread...

Oh IGN, you are so silly!

They gave TOR a 9/10, so TSW must be terrible!

Different reviewer

TSW by Nathan Grayson

SWtor by Nick Kolan

Oh... you mean it isn't an IGN review then? It's a Nathan Whatsit (whoever the f... he is) review? Change the title of the thread!

 

SWTOR lasting appeal: 9.5... "brilliant PVP" ...I'm still laughing.

 

The sound in TSW is so, so good that I always look at that first in any review. Anyone giving it less than 9, looses credibility right then and there with me.

  Dahkot72

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7/26/12 11:55:09 AM#26
Originally posted by Wakygreek
Originally posted by JosephJR

 compared IGN's another mmorpg rewiews I dissagree

they score  sound 7/10...it should be 10/10

they score graphic 7/10 shoul be 10/10

they score gameplay 7/10 should be 8/10,personal 9/10

they score presentation 8/10 should be 9/10

they score lasting appeal  6/10...should be 8/10....personal 9/10

 

 

i dislike in TSW  ; cut scenes & voice acting(  devs should stop with that crap in MMORPG's) , PvP(tryed & still trying  find some fun but it is  bad

 My response is of course purely opinion. However I cannot help but think that your grading system is more along the lines of heavily biased unless of course you can give us a really good reason why you give TSW almost all high ratings. IGN's score is fair if not a little too kind.

 

I have to add that saying TSW's graphic score should be a 10/10 is just screaming biased fan. Funcom themselves have admitted the character animations and other misc graphics things need improving and they are working on it.

To say TSW's graphics are perfect and 10/10 seems downright silly to me.

  Kothoses

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7/26/12 12:02:20 PM#27
Originally posted by Iselin

Just for the sake of comparison this is what IGN did with SWTOR:

 

9.0 Presentation
The dialogue and story is why you should want to play The Old Republic, and it’s presented excellently. The UI needs much more flexibility though.
8.5 Graphics
It won’t push your machine very hard, but the style is consistent and recognizably Star Wars.
10 Sound
Voice acting is superb throughout, the orchestral sound-track slips in and out effortlessly, and everything from blasters to alien-babble is pure Star Wars.
9.0 Gameplay
PvP is brilliant, and the branching story is wonderfully complex. Classes are well-designed. A little quest variety wouldn’t go astray, though.
9.5 Lasting Appeal
Hundreds of hours of content at launch for just a single character. Playing new ones reveals a wealth more.

 

IGN credibility score = 0 

To be honest, the only one I disagree with there is the lasting appeal, however I will add one Caveat, this to me read like a review of leveling my FIRST 50 in SWTOR.

Leveling a second character brings it down a bit 

 

The TSW review is also fair, people citing that the graphics score is too low are probably ignoring the currently bad animations now I am sorry, but the fact is those animations DO detract from the immersion and in TSW the Immersion factor is the games biggest selling point.

 

Presentation wise, the silent protagonist approach really annoys me, if you are going to do voice overs do them properly or not at all.

 

So yeah TSW I would score a 7.5 (above avarage) SWTOR I would have scored at 9 for my first play through and would reduce that down to an 8 now, They are both very good games which bring something new while retaining the famiiar.  (You might not like story based leveling and voice overs and cutscenes but they are NEW.. and for that alone we should be grateful enough to atleast acknowledge there was some attempt at moving the Genre forward.

The problem is everyone expects the next MMO to feel like their first MMO and then lash out when it doesnt... 

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  XPraetorianX

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7/26/12 12:04:13 PM#28

Read my prior post I have nothing but good things to say about TSW but lets be honest. 7 is a fair score for the game once you cut away your emotions regarding it. There are still bugs. While the graphics are very detailed the art style is not eye catching. The textures are well done and that is because DX11 is used. Tesellation is much better then bump mapping in regards to fine detials. Thats why on max setting a screen shot from TSW is much lager in size then say GW2. That said I found my self some how more impressed with GW2 visualy and it uses DX9 atm. The world its self looks amazing in TSW but the character models are very mediocre considering the tools TSW has.  Not tash talking the game as I play it still and enjoy my Cabal etc. That said we are already having peeps not log in anymore because they are bored. I am not bored but I play games casual because I work so many hours and have kids. The hard core gammer however will tear through the content in the first month no problem. PVP is just plain bad. Its OK with me cause there are other aspects of the game that are good. Come on though throwing around raitings like 10 is just non sense. 10 should be reserved for truly great games and you should almost never see a 10. From what I have seen of GW2 id rate it like an 8 over all. Not even that would get a 10 for more then a few reasons but it would be off topic. I like and own both games btw so I am not trolling. Just saying everyone wants the game they play to be a 10. Its just non sense.

  Iselin

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7/26/12 12:11:14 PM#29
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  Wakygreek

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Reason is a necessity

7/26/12 12:12:34 PM#30

Realistically for a 2012 MMORPG that is now competing with F2P games with decent design etc. TSW is pretty poor in comparison. My personal rating and of course your all welcome to argue it.

TSW:

Graphics: 5 / 10 (Very poor graphics in comparison to other games)

Audio:  7 / 10 (Nothing mind blowing)

Gameplay:  6.5 / 10 (inconsistant in various areas in the game; skills, pvp , )

Longevity: 5 / 10

Bang for your buck: 5 / 10

Overall: 6

I know my score is very low to what most of you might say, however given this is a 2012 MMORPG there is no reason this game should not be better. I feel that this was a step down from AOC not a step up. I think they focused too heavily on building up catchy slogans that they forgot to actually make their game worthwhile. 512 skills that are redundant , pvp needs work, characters still restricted from zones based on gear instead of level. Changing the name of the number that you restrict players with does not change the game.

Anyway / rant off

  Betaguy

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7/26/12 12:12:43 PM#31

6 or 6.5 at best and I am more versed in gaming than any employee at IGN so I believe I am right and they are off the mark honestly.

  JonnyBigBoss

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7/26/12 12:13:07 PM#32

It deserves lower, but I can't complain.

  Wickedjelly

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7/26/12 12:23:47 PM#33
Originally posted by bcbully
TSW is a tough game with no guide rails to how you build your character. The smartest, best mmo players can and certainly will gimp themselves a few times along the way.  If you want to be challenged, TSW is the game for you. EvE is too, but that game made me cry sooo... If this is not what you are looking for the learning curve in TSW will surley take some points of your score.

  Lol...doubt most of them gave it a lower score than you because of that. Most seem to see that as a plus that enjoyed the game but found some issues in area.

Would imagine for many it is the likes of bugs, combat animations, game length, etc.

There are some aras the game excels in and others it is lacking. Not hard to imagine pending on what a player or reviewer finds important how they're overall view of the game would differ

1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  dlld

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7/26/12 12:26:39 PM#34
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by BadSpock

For some reason I thought this was a TOR thread...

Oh IGN, you are so silly!

They gave TOR a 9/10, so TSW must be terrible!

Different reviewer

TSW by Nathan Grayson

SWtor by Nick Kolan

Oh... you mean it isn't an IGN review then? It's a Nathan Whatsit (whoever the f... he is) review? Change the title of the thread!

 

SWTOR lasting appeal: 9.5... "brilliant PVP" ...I'm still laughing.

 

The sound in TSW is so, so good that I always look at that first in any review. Anyone giving it less than 9, looses credibility right then and there with me.

I guess the notion that 2 different people can still have different opinions of what is good and bad while still working for the same company is too grand for you to understand.

You mean sort of like how ridicule through hyperbole and sarcasm is lost on some? Yeah. 

Poe's law.

If you agree with me I retract my statement.

I do disagree with the review a little. Sound and graphics could certainly use a bump of 1 at least, but dragging up the score of another game review made by another reviewer lacks any logical sense what so ever.

  Trionicus

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7/26/12 12:29:04 PM#35
Originally posted by Preacher26

Sounds and Graphics are top notch.

longevity is where it hurts and replayability.... and the esports pvp but thats the same as 99% of the MMOs out there.

 

Ide give it an 8/10 overall if I was comparing it to the other crap on the market.

Ide give it a 5/10 overall if it was based on what im looking for and expect PERSONALLY out of a 2012 mmo.

Red sounds pretty accurate. It's always fair to give a comparison rating, though I wish that were it's real rating.

  Iselin

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7/26/12 1:09:51 PM#36
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by BadSpock

For some reason I thought this was a TOR thread...

Oh IGN, you are so silly!

They gave TOR a 9/10, so TSW must be terrible!

Different reviewer

TSW by Nathan Grayson

SWtor by Nick Kolan

Oh... you mean it isn't an IGN review then? It's a Nathan Whatsit (whoever the f... he is) review? Change the title of the thread!

 

SWTOR lasting appeal: 9.5... "brilliant PVP" ...I'm still laughing.

 

The sound in TSW is so, so good that I always look at that first in any review. Anyone giving it less than 9, looses credibility right then and there with me.

I guess the notion that 2 different people can still have different opinions of what is good and bad while still working for the same company is too grand for you to understand.

You mean sort of like how ridicule through hyperbole and sarcasm is lost on some? Yeah. 

Poe's law.

If you agree with me I retract my statement.

I do disagree with the review a little. Sound and graphics could certainly use a bump of 1 at least, but dragging up the score of another game review made by another reviewer lacks any logical sense what so ever.

The title of the thread refers to IGN which gives the review more credibility than saying "Nathan Whatever." You can't have it both ways: either both the bloated SWTOR review and TSW reviews are done by IGN or they're done by different individuals and shouldn't be compared. But in the end, it doesn't matter. IGN published it as their review and it's 100% legit to compare it to any other IGN-branded review regardless of which employee/contractor did it.

As to the comparison... Having played both SWTOR and TSW I can tell you that SWTOR PVP deserves, at best, a 2/10 but IGN refers to it as Brilliant...really? Did they even try anything beyond 1 game of Huttball? If PVP is part of "Gameplay" I'd rate SWTOR 5/10 at best.

And the graphics of the buggy DX9 Hero engine get an 8,5 while the DX11 TSW gets a 7? Can't buy that either.

Lasting appeal for SWTOR a 9.5? I leveled a Sorcerer, an Assasin and a Bounty HUnter all to 50, got totally bored hanging around the station LFG for literally hours with little luck (even as a healer lol) and was out of there by the 3 month mark... 9.5? Yeah right. But TSW gets a 6.

You know what the basic difference is and why TSW is not getting sucked-up to and gushed over by reviewers all over the net? It's simple: TSW does not have the history, fan base and cachet of Star Wars. TSW is (gasp!) an original IP. It doesn't have legions of SW fanbois drooling over the chance to pay homage to it in a review... not to mention the legion of Bioware fans before their numbers were depleted after the SWTOR fiasco.

I don't really care who at IGN does which review - they're all IGN reviews and for IGN to have any credibility as a review site, they need to exercize some editorial consistency when giving out numbers. If TSW is a 7 over there then the shameless WOW in space known as SWTOR couldn't be any higher than 5 or 6 for me to give their review any consideration. 

  MosesZD

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7/26/12 1:36:11 PM#37
Originally posted by lifeordinary

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/07/26/the-secret-world-review

I personally agree with this review. my own personal score is 7.

What do you guys think?

 

 

 

Why I think the review, like most reviews, is total crap.  

 

This is the SWTOR review:   http://pc.ign.com/articles/121/1214622p2.html

 

TSW is as good, or better, in many of the areas the vasty over-rated SWTOR got good/outstanding grades.   But just look at the review.  Comprehend that one of the worst PvP supporting games in the MMO world got this write up:

 

 

9.0 Gameplay
PvP is brilliant, and the branching story is wonderfully complex. Classes are well-designed. A little quest variety wouldn’t go astray, though.

 

 

A 9.0 for a story that DID NOT BRANCH in any significant or meaningful way despite the claims of the review, the horribly imbalanced classes they keep nerfing, rebalancing and wrecking and quite possibly the most bland and generic quests in the MMO market.  If SWTOR had a 9.0 in that area, I'd still be playing despite the rest of the flaws.   I wanted that game, more than any other MMO I've ever played, to succeed.   

 

I still laugh over 'brilliant PvP.'    It's some of the worst PvP in the MMO market.   

  MosesZD

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7/26/12 1:39:45 PM#38
Originally posted by dlld
Originally posted by BadSpock

For some reason I thought this was a TOR thread...

Oh IGN, you are so silly!

They gave TOR a 9/10, so TSW must be terrible!

Different reviewer

TSW by Nathan Grayson

SWtor by Nick Kolan

 

The ediitor makes all the final decisions.   And if the publisher gets blow-back, the editor gets fired.

  tank017

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7/26/12 1:40:02 PM#39
I also disagree with the sound and graphic scores.those are major strong points of tsw
  Buttski

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7/26/12 1:43:35 PM#40

7/10 is quite a good rating for a mediocre product.

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