wtf are some companies thinking?

PS2 ain't a mobo game..

Also how are they gonna adress hackers and so forth...

I would rather pay 10 euro a month instead of a game full of  players that are hacking/exploiting..

I also wanted to be p2p... but being p2p would not stop hackers.

Last I heard, there were plenty of hackers/exploiters/farmers in every MMO that gets released. 

When I heard it was F2P about a month ago, it fell of my radar.

Originally posted by Snoepie

wtf are some companies thinking?

 

PS2 ain't a mobo game..

Also how are they gonna adress hackers and so forth...

 

I would rather pay 10 euro a month instead of a game full of  players that are hacking/exploiting..

 

Sorry you're so disappointed. it was well known that they would pursue this model and SOE really do need as few barriers to play as they can. If I remember correctly, DCUO pvp was full of hacks well before it went hybrid. They wasted a lot of time fabricating the tracking tools they needed to squash it instead of having them ready for launch. 

God damn those companies giving me something for free..evil i tells ya evil. Subscription MMO's are dead, accept f2p or find a new hobby.

I'm happy it is F2P. :)

Originally posted by Istavaan

God damn those companies giving me something for free..evil i tells ya evil. Subscription MMO's are dead, accept f2p or find a new hobby.

It wont be free... you will need to spend money..

Originally posted by Derros

Last I heard, there were plenty of hackers/exploiters/farmers in every MMO that gets released. 

True, I saw the other day while surfing there's already  hacks/bots for GW2 and ready for release. Quite sad and the game isn't even out yet.

As for PS2 being free to play after buying, it doesn't bother me. It didn't stop hackers in Planetside the original by having a subscription fee.

As Caldrin said, if it's hackable, it will be hacked, regardless of P2P or F2P.

However, in a game with 20 or 30 people in one map, a hacker can gain a significant advantage. In a game with 200 or 300 people in one map, that advantage is severely reduced, because it's less about 1-on-1 fights. And because there are a LOT more players in the game, a hacker will most likely be noticed (and reported) by far more players.

Just because PS2 is F2P doesn't mean your account is "disposable". You will gain certifications over time, which will improve your abilities. Having that account banned will be a significant hit if you've built-up a good cert list and possibly other perks.

It all boils down to how hackable the game will be, and how SOE will handle the offenders. SOE developed and ran the original Planetside, so they're not n00bs in this genre. I'd like to think that SOE have not spent massive amounts of time and money to develop a game that nobody will play after the first month because hackers will be running wild.

 It's been a long time since I played the original PS, but I don't recall hackers being a major problem in that game.

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by Istavaan

God damn those companies giving me something for free..evil i tells ya evil. Subscription MMO's are dead, accept f2p or find a new hobby.

It wont be free... you will need to spend money..

 

 

How so ? Do you even know what you're talking about ?  Every upgrade you can get in the game is done through playing the game.  Items in the cash shop are cosmetic you cannot buy a omg this weapon pwns yours every weapon is the same as the ones you earn in game just with a different look. 

Paying a sub only means you'll be paying money and playing with less people when you cry hack and quit because of the guy out there that is just good at sniping.

Nearly everytime I've heard someone cry hacker, it was because they just stunk at FPS and died alot. It's a typical knee jerk reaction to being owned, FPS takes some degree of twitch ability and 99% of people hate to be owned (including myself).

In all my years playing FPS I believe I've only seen a hacker twice and they were both on my team which is how I was able to get a good look at them and then report them.

You see someone hack, report it and move on. You get killed with a headshot for the 5th time in a row by the same sniper, maybe you need to change your tactics or get in a squad before you cry hacker? This isn't an MMORPG where everyone gets to be a hero and pwn the universe whilst NPC characters line up to lick your boots for being the God of tab key, button mashing war!

Originally posted by Agricola1

Paying a sub only means you'll be paying money and playing with less people when you cry hack and quit because of the guy out there that is just good at sniping.

Nearly everytime I've heard someone cry hacker, it was because they just stunk at FPS and died alot. It's a typical knee jerk reaction to being owned, FPS takes some degree of twitch ability and 99% of people hate to be owned (including myself).

In all my years playing FPS I believe I've only seen a hacker twice and they were both on my team which is how I was able to get a good look at them and then report them.

You see someone hack, report it and move on. You get killed with a headshot for the 5th time in a row by the same sniper, maybe you need to change your tactics or get in a squad before you cry hacker? This isn't an MMORPG where everyone gets to be a hero and pwn the universe whilst NPC characters line up to lick your boots for being the God of tab key, button mashing war!

 

There'll always be a relatively small group of REALLY good players and a large lake of average to bad players. The problem is that a great many "average to bad" players believe they are actually very good, and that the guys who kill them all the time MUST be hacking. In FPS games, ego is the biggest problem, not hacking 

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by Istavaan

God damn those companies giving me something for free..evil i tells ya evil. Subscription MMO's are dead, accept f2p or find a new hobby.

It wont be free... you will need to spend money..

 

 

WRONG it is not a hybrid model like EQ2 or DCUO, it is a full on F2P model, YOU dont need to pay for anything, unless you REALLY need that Zebra skin for your armor. Then yea you have to pay for that, but for the actual game and all its features you dont have to pay ANYTHING. get your facts straight.

Originally posted by Agricola1

Paying a sub only means you'll be paying money and playing with less people when you cry hack and quit because of the guy out there that is just good at sniping.

Nearly everytime I've heard someone cry hacker, it was because they just stunk at FPS and died alot. It's a typical knee jerk reaction to being owned, FPS takes some degree of twitch ability and 99% of people hate to be owned (including myself).

In all my years playing FPS I believe I've only seen a hacker twice and they were both on my team which is how I was able to get a good look at them and then report them.

You see someone hack, report it and move on. You get killed with a headshot for the 5th time in a row by the same sniper, maybe you need to change your tactics or get in a squad before you cry hacker? This isn't an MMORPG where everyone gets to be a hero and pwn the universe whilst NPC characters line up to lick your boots for being the God of tab key, button mashing war!

 

So true. Remember like 6 years back or so, my brother playing CS and being banned from a server because he was headshotting a lot, while not using any hacks ofc.

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by Agricola1

Paying a sub only means you'll be paying money and playing with less people when you cry hack and quit because of the guy out there that is just good at sniping.

Nearly everytime I've heard someone cry hacker, it was because they just stunk at FPS and died alot. It's a typical knee jerk reaction to being owned, FPS takes some degree of twitch ability and 99% of people hate to be owned (including myself).

In all my years playing FPS I believe I've only seen a hacker twice and they were both on my team which is how I was able to get a good look at them and then report them.

You see someone hack, report it and move on. You get killed with a headshot for the 5th time in a row by the same sniper, maybe you need to change your tactics or get in a squad before you cry hacker? This isn't an MMORPG where everyone gets to be a hero and pwn the universe whilst NPC characters line up to lick your boots for being the God of tab key, button mashing war!

 

So true. Remember like 6 years back or so, my brother playing CS and being banned from a server because he was headshotting a lot, while not using any hacks ofc.

I personally got kicked from a number of BFBC2 Servers back when i was a rank 1, because I would headshot multiple people from marksman 100+ distance and some of them were rank 50's who owned those servers and got butthurt because they couldnt dodge my bullets. It wasnt my fault I made a good sniper. I used no cheats, never do. I dont need them to be good at what I do.

Originally posted by Snoepie

wtf are some companies thinking?

 

PS2 ain't a mobo game..

Also how are they gonna adress hackers and so forth...

 

I would rather pay 10 euro a month instead of a game full of  players that are hacking/exploiting..

 

How to stop hackers?  Easy.  Now remember this so you will never need to think about this again.  THEY CAN'T.

Originally posted by Snoepie

wtf are some companies thinking?

 

PS2 ain't a mobo game..

Also how are they gonna adress hackers and so forth...

 

I would rather pay 10 euro a month instead of a game full of  players that are hacking/exploiting..

 

Let me think, I remember paying my monthly sub for Planetside and, yep, I remember there being hackers...

Why is that? Oh yeah, because hackers suck and will try and get that advantage no matter what the game or if it has a sub. I have seen hackers and cheaters in every single MMO I have ever played.

Just having a monthly sub does not mean there will be no hackers...

Originally posted by Saryhl

Originally posted by AvatarBlade

Originally posted by Agricola1

Paying a sub only means you'll be paying money and playing with less people when you cry hack and quit because of the guy out there that is just good at sniping.

Nearly everytime I've heard someone cry hacker, it was because they just stunk at FPS and died alot. It's a typical knee jerk reaction to being owned, FPS takes some degree of twitch ability and 99% of people hate to be owned (including myself).

In all my years playing FPS I believe I've only seen a hacker twice and they were both on my team which is how I was able to get a good look at them and then report them.

You see someone hack, report it and move on. You get killed with a headshot for the 5th time in a row by the same sniper, maybe you need to change your tactics or get in a squad before you cry hacker? This isn't an MMORPG where everyone gets to be a hero and pwn the universe whilst NPC characters line up to lick your boots for being the God of tab key, button mashing war!

 

So true. Remember like 6 years back or so, my brother playing CS and being banned from a server because he was headshotting a lot, while not using any hacks ofc.

I personally got kicked from a number of BFBC2 Servers back when i was a rank 1, because I would headshot multiple people from marksman 100+ distance and some of them were rank 50's who owned those servers and got butthurt because they couldnt dodge my bullets. It wasnt my fault I made a good sniper. I used no cheats, never do. I dont need them to be good at what I do.

Happened to me all the time in 2142, people owned a server and because I wasn't an easy kill for their shitty clan they kicked me. I was even banned from some servers, fine they were their servers but I'm not that good at FPS by a long shot (no pun intended).

So many would rather call hack than admit they need to skill up, I admit I need to skill up and yes I get pissed when I'm killed by a better player (which is quite often) and I have been known to scream so loud as to cause the neighbours enough concern that they called the police. But I never blamed it on hacks, I tried to improve.

If you see a hack 100% with your own eyes, then he's probably on your team since you'd have died before you got the chance to see him. If not then you must be a pretty 1337 FPS gamer, so stick with it and report him then join the VANU!

Originally posted by Caldrin

Originally posted by Istavaan

God damn those companies giving me something for free..evil i tells ya evil. Subscription MMO's are dead, accept f2p or find a new hobby.

It wont be free... you will need to spend money..

 

 

Absolutely. $OE's other F2P games are very restricitve without ponying up smed bucks in the cash shop or just  out right subscribing. I am not discounting the possibility of PS2 being a "freemium" (sub & F2P options) game. If PS2 is going to be fully F2P, then you can bet the game will be fraught with "toll booths" and shameless cash grab schemes.