Lets see to borrow a statement from my old Sgt.

I'll break this down Barney style for you 2; genuises.

(Figures are hypothetical, and made up they do not reflect actual numbers of Vivendi) **

This is essential what analysts are saying :

2011 : Vivendi :

Total Revenue : 2.5 Billion 

Overhead : 1.5 Billion

EBITA : 1B(2.5B Minus 1.5B)

Net  : 750M 

2012 : Vivendi

Total Revenue : 2..35B  // Loss of 150M (Poor performance of assets, combined with restructuring, and lowering costs of telecom services decrease rev.)

Overhead 1.7B \\ Increase of 200M (Restructuring costs will add to overhead).

EBITA : 650M \\ Loss of 350M

Net : 300M Loss of 450M ~55%

When poeple say loss this is the model they are refering to, because this is what matters to investors, Q/Y reports compared to prior year performances, as this indicates *** IF THE STOCK HAS GONE UP OR DOWN IN VALUE SINCE LAST DIVIDENDS WERE DISCLOSED

Yes there is still profit - But if the profit is not higher then last year's profit, showing a loss in growth

That is what these reports are about, to keep investors investing in their stock by convincing them the company's stock will continue to grow in value, When a company's profit is lower then the prior year, it's a loss - and thus the stock is worth less, this often inspires brokers to recommend a sale status, and investors who manage their own assets will usually sell, when sold in a higher volume the company is force to pay for a large volume of stock at -current- price, if the value of the stock continues to drop, then the company continues to lose money on their own stock buybacks, as they are being sold their own stock from investors requiring capital reserves to buy the stock, and if investors are not buying, and fiscal health continues to decline in comparision to prior year's peformance the stock becomes worth less, at some point it will then be at a low point, at which point investors will begin to buy the stock again, however until then Vivendi is forces to pay out capital for stocks, which is how there is a loss of money, it's a damaging position to be in for a full year for a company.

If you can't understand this then, i'm done with this converstation til you can.

Originally posted by Divion

i fell off the bandwagon of almost 2 years clean, and starting playing WoW again 

every game has its fans :)

Originally posted by Nadia

Originally posted by Divion

i fell off the bandwagon of almost 2 years clean, and starting playing WoW again 

every game has its fans :)

:(

Well, that or just nothing really held on to me.. again.. after how many years of that same story...

TERA had me hooked for a few months, then Diablo 3, which has no end game purpose, League of Legends caused me a few rage inspired heart attacks.. so i'm left with WoW... again... because nothing else is ever offered that can hold my attention beyond a few months.

I guess i cant talk - i have returned to wow before even tho I wasnt a fan of it

WOW is a fun game to pass the time, and I still like the warcraft world under level 60

I lose interest in the expansion content tho

To prove my point, be advised that when Q1; 2012 reports were released for Vivendi their stocks dropped from 15.50 )  a share at the begining of Q1, to  11.14 a share at the end of Q1 on 4/19/2012. 

Now at the start of 2012, Jan - Vivendi stock had a volume of ~ 2Million - At the end of Q1; 2012 - Vivendi had a volume of almost 1Billion - This means they had ~8,000,000 shares sold back to the company, the mass sell off occured during the last few weeks of Q1 following the press release of profitable loss.

Make sense?

Stock's value dropped, shared were mass sold, vivendi had to payout those stocks til they were repurchased.

It's a

LOSS

      I dont know why but it just strikes me odd that a company that makes as much money as Blizzard has a "parent" company ..... You'd thin ka company that has had as much success as they have wouldn't need anyone else but I guess business is done alot differently today.