I think the only people who claimed this to be the second coming are the ones who posted brilliant insights like "fanbois think this is the ssecond coming, but I'm a genius, so I know GW2 won't be perfect!" Anyway, GW2 is obviously ready for launch. It's polished enough. Of course, additional features would be nice, but the same can be said about any game, so I'm not sure what the point of this topic is.

Originally posted by dekou

I think the only people who claimed this to be the second coming are the ones who posted brilliant insights like "fanbois think this is the ssecond coming, but I'm a genius, so I know GW2 won't be perfect!" Anyway, GW2 is obviously ready for launch. It's polished enough. Of course, additional features would be nice, but the same can be said about any game, so I'm not sure what the point of this topic is.

The point is inspire thought for the community. The point was to state my excitement for their extremely polished engine and it's capability to handle and execute new features. (Refer to bwe3 ending event)

I am fairly aware of the state of the game, played extensively over the BWE and posted my share of bug reports.

Only a small number of people have taken the time to read what I had written and I thank them for it. I'm not a genius but I like to think I have decent reasoning skills.

I know how polished and finished it is already. It is brimming with content and my hunger for my asuran story is near insatiable. But through the excitement and shiny I would like people to see that Anet have built a really REALLY solid foundation for its future. Not just some fancy mishmash of features. 

Originally posted by Magnetia

Originally posted by dekou

I think the only people who claimed this to be the second coming are the ones who posted brilliant insights like "fanbois think this is the ssecond coming, but I'm a genius, so I know GW2 won't be perfect!" Anyway, GW2 is obviously ready for launch. It's polished enough. Of course, additional features would be nice, but the same can be said about any game, so I'm not sure what the point of this topic is.

The point is inspire thought for the community. The point was to state my excitement for their extremely polished engine and it's capability to handle and execute new features. (Refer to bwe3 ending event)

I am fairly aware of the state of the game, played extensively over the BWE and posted my share of bug reports.

Only a small number of people have taken the time to read what I had written and I thank them for it. I'm not a genius but I like to think I have decent reasoning skills.

I know how polished and finished it is already. It is brimming with content and my hunger for my asuran story is near insatiable. But through the excitement and shiny I would like people to see that Anet have built a really REALLY solid foundation for its future. Not just some fancy mishmash of features. 

The people that can not see this have other issuse to deal with.

I agree it won't be finished at launch.  I'd even hesitate to say that it needs more public betas to weed out all the bugs and we'll likely encounter a lot of problems at launch.  Amongst unfinished things:

• WvWvW queues and population caps not working properly.  Queues can be bypassed for example by spamming at WvWvW gates.  By the same method you can bypass overflow queues too.  WvWvW population caps were out of whack Saturday and teams were being reported as more players than were actually on the server, though they may have been fixed; however queue bypassing is definitely still in as of Sunday in the last beta weekend.
• Class imbalance.  There is a reason a Guardian is almost mandatory in SPvP.  Condition spamming builds, particularly Ranger bleed builds are also overpowered.
• In BWE #2 explorable mode in Catacombs had a lot of bugs and needs tweaking.  I didn't get a chance to test it in BWE #3, but one can assume there is still problems with it.
• Match stalling in SPvP tournament mode in order to force the enemy team to forfeit.
• Keg Ball has quite a few bugs we reported.
• Performance issues in certain areas.  Possible memory leak.

• 35+ zones
• Many minigames (Polymock for example)
• The other dungeons aside from Ascalonian Catacombs

Originally posted by Indrome

Originally posted by Magnetia

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What I feel from GW2 is that they have built an extremely solid but easily manipulated foundation for an MMO. I think they've built the game and the code around providing future updates and aren't afraid to do crazy thing just to see if it works.

I simply cannot wait for the improvements GW2 will be able to provide to players over time. Item preview, vistas, linked crafting tables to banks - less than a month.

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I like what you say here. From a programming and file-handling standpoint, from the way the game responds to peripheral input, from how quickly adjustable the system behind the gameplay is and from how flexible and well thought out the implementation of the server structure into the cross-world experience is ....  it is obvious that what we get at launch won't be "all there is" for long.

I've read the dev-blog carefully and I've seen and understood f.e. their "sound engine". All they've built they've built specially for Guild Wars 2.

This sort of flexible coding and iterative processing allows for large scale implementations without the need for months of pre- or post-work. What we have here is basically a Legos baseplate ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Green_Lego_Baseplate.jpg) ... the possibilities tickle me.

I know I know... fanboi-post. But anyone with the least bit understanding of coding and network will be able to follow my enthusiasm. :)

It is exciting. I don't know any programming but I appreciate just how much work can go into doing somthing like that. I'm learning to develop websites and that can be a nightmare already.

We have seen MMOs come out with solid mechanics, spectacular combat and a plethora of other great features but they never felt as flexible as GW2 does.

Using a combination of the weapon system / ammo mechanic + collectable bundles - ration, ammo etc / instancing / W v W large party mechanic / DE warning system / map markers and combined it with player bloodlust to make Hunger Royale. If we look at it this way it really is just Anet showing off. 

A purely speculative thread based on a perjorative statement lacking in any evidence.

Originally posted by Caliburn101

A purely speculative thread based on a perjorative statement lacking in any evidence.

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." Albert Einstein

Any MMO that is released "finished" isn't one that is worth subscribing to (if there is a subscription for said game).

They need to be constantly adding new patches and content, in addition to expansions and player suggestions (when warranted).

Edit:  That said, I'm not entirely upset that they're leaving Guild Halls and Player Housing out for the launch.  It's just something else to look forward to when I actually learn a substantial amount of the game and have time to learn and work towards another intricate design.

Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 

Any MMO that is released "finished" isn't one that is worth subscribing to (if there is a subscription for said game).

They need to be constantly adding new patches and content, in addition to expansions and player suggestions (when warranted).

And I am extremely glad that Anet has built their engine from the ground up to facilitate this.

i have to agree with OP cause it took them so muuch time to develop the game and we see that between 2 months they changed so many things from feedback ..!

i believe that the first players will be almost beta testers :P which is good and bad ...

Pretty funny.  About 90% of the posts in this thread are replies only to the thread title, not the content of the original post, which basically says the opposite of what you might guess the thread title implies.  Good job guys!  Way to read! 

No MMO is finished as long as  there is a dev team working on it.  Tabula Rasa, now, that one is finished.

Sad thing is even half done it's twice as finished as Tortanic.

An MMORPG is never finished!

That being said, GW2 will be ready for launch. Content rich, massive world, huge list of features and oodles of production value and polish. I'm not aware of a single faeture they promised for launch that won't be in at launch. There are some features to come, but they've been telling us these features would happen after launch for at least 6-9 months now.

I wouldn't expect anyhting else..

It's going to be a very impressive game and overall pretty solid in it's design and implementation, but there will be issues..

Bugs/exploits.. missing promises.. it all comes with the birth of a new title..

It's about how they improve on these things in the first few months that will define it. Just like any other title. It's that whole stigma of placing 'AAA' quality on every piece of junk that comes out the programming box that should be the real concern..

Games is ready this has to be a troll. He refers to WOW well that game was far from ready at launch. NO MMO is Perfect at launch. Ill rage if I have to wait longer for this game =-P

Some games are more finished than others.

Since this game isn't PAY-2-BETA like every other P2P game that almost always launch way too early and make us pay a sub when the game is obviously missing content that was promissed at launch(ie. WoW, TERA, SWTOR, etc)?

Honestly, I'm surprised Anet even bothered to do a CBT, but people will complain anyway.

I can honestly say that no game, MMO or otherwise but especially MMO, has ever been released that can tick all the boxes on my list of things I want in a game. Some games tick some boxes.. other games tick some different boxes. GW2 however ticks a hell of a lot of them. Sure I want housing, collectables (like shinys in EQ2, not just miniatures), Guild Halls etc. but it's mostly fluff.. all of it.

What GW2 did do was put in some new features that were actually really useful and not just fluff, such as being able to place purchase orders on the tradepost. First time I've come across it anyway. These kind of things will be newly added to my list. I can forgive any shortcomings due to this sort of thing and just stay hopeful that the other things might be added at some point.

As for being released unfinished, I guess thats a matter of personal opinion. I see what the OP did there though, suggesting that there is lots more to come so don't think it's all over yet. They are right. I consider the game as finished as any MMO release could be, but we all know that MMOs keep growing.

Originally posted by OldManFunk

What exactly is missing or unfinished?

They've said they only have one-third the planned Dynamic Events in game as of BWE2.   For example:

“You run around Queensdale, the human starter area, and maybe the Brood Mother shows up every X minutes,” Johanson continues. “We’re going to put another event that can happen there, and then slow down how often the Brood Mother happens. Not only are there new events happening, but everything you’ve seen before starts happening less often. The world gets larger and larger. Three years from now, if someone makes a brand new character in the game, a place that has 100 events in it might have 300 by then.”

And they've talked about Guild Halls, more PvP maps, all kinds of things.    They have hinted at Nightfall and Factions campaigns.   They've hinted at other races.   They've hinted at other possible professions, though that may have been reading too much into it what I read.

I totally expected this thread to be something else!