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  lifeordinary

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7/26/12 2:27:47 AM#41
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by DJJazzy

LOL

You are a funny dude

Reminds me of this...

 

Well, except this is comparing regular quests to GW2's reknown hearts, not what would be considered the equivalent of quests in GW2. Only shows the "artist" here has no clue about the game.

 

As a fan of GW2 I will honestly say that to me completing reknown hearts is boring as hell. Luckily they usually complete themselves while doing dynamic events in the area.

GW2 has same tasks that you do in regular questing. Kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed ex tasks. Only difference is you call it DE's and heart events in GW2. Artist is pretty spot on i would say.

  Nefera

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7/26/12 2:32:25 AM#42
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by DJJazzy

LOL

You are a funny dude

Reminds me of this...

 

Well, except this is comparing regular quests to GW2's reknown hearts, not what would be considered the equivalent of quests in GW2. Only shows the "artist" here has no clue about the game.

 

As a fan of GW2 I will honestly say that to me completing reknown hearts is boring as hell. Luckily they usually complete themselves while doing dynamic events in the area.

GW2 has same tasks that you do in regular questing. Kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed ex tasks. Only difference is you call it DE's and heart events in GW2. Artist is pretty spot on i would say.

Well, your comment just shows me you have no idea of how the game works. Artist gladly shows heart events (which there are none of in the last zones), but happily ignores DEs that don't work like that.

 

Of course GW2 will have the same tasks in one form or other, if you break down quests like that, every MMO is the same. In every MMO, you have to kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed-ex. That still doesn't mean that in reality every game plays or feels the same.

  DJJazzy

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7/26/12 2:34:09 AM#43
Originally posted by Nefera if you break down quests like that, every MMO is the same. In every MMO, you have to kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed-ex. That still doesn't mean that in reality every game plays or feels the same.

If you want to really break it down, every game, not just mmos, are basically that.

The differences is all in the presentation.

  User Deleted
7/26/12 2:34:51 AM#44
It does matter when content is presented in a more natural and fluid manner (streamlined?)
That's the way MMOs will be heading.
  Nefera

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7/26/12 2:35:48 AM#45
Originally posted by DJJazzy
Originally posted by Nefera if you break down quests like that, every MMO is the same. In every MMO, you have to kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed-ex. That still doesn't mean that in reality every game plays or feels the same.

If you want to really break it down, every game, not just mmos, are basically that.

The differences is all in the presentation.

Exactly my point.

  p_c_sousa

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7/26/12 2:40:31 AM#46

 people comparing heart quest to DE....loool. this guys dont have any clue about what is going on GW2. this silly post just make me LOOOL. 

i must say the silly guy that to that picture dont know a s**** about GW2. anyone play game know that.

 

HEART quest are just quest, exist lot of them on start areas and they decrease when you go to high lvl (on higher lvl zone you will have 0 heart quest). 

DE have nothing to do with heart quest, anyone say is same but have a diferent name just look stupid and clear show dont know anything about GW2

  User Deleted
7/26/12 2:42:21 AM#47

If you keep trying to approach this game with the same mentality that you hold towards WoW, this game is going to look boring to you because you are deliberately ignoring the other parts of the game, i.e. Dynamic Events and actually having to look around for interesting things as opposed to being on a guided tour.

Take that WoW mentality and crush it, raze it, and torch it with a flamethrower, because it will only serve to hinder you in the long run.

  tyfon

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7/26/12 2:53:13 AM#48
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You dont have to do all quests/hearts/events, if quests dont suit your epicness you can pass them and move on.   there are more then enough epic quests

The problem with this is that if you skip anything on the map you will be lagging behind your story quest and have to grind out repeat DE or whatever.

I had problems even with completing all hearts/vistas etc on the map I still had to repeat som DEs 4-5 times before getting to my story mission level. The solution is apparently to play other races zones or buy xp boosts.

They should really give more xp for the public quests as they were the best part of pve. I liked them in WAR and Rift too. But I don't want to have to repeat them too many times.

 

They can just remove the hearts from the game, all of those I tried sucked big time. Replace them with fun public quests instead.

  Kabaal

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7/26/12 2:55:54 AM#49
Originally posted by tyfon
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You dont have to do all quests/hearts/events, if quests dont suit your epicness you can pass them and move on.   there are more then enough epic quests

The problem with this is that if you skip anything on the map you will be lagging behind your story quest and have to grind out repeat DE or whatever.

I had problems even with completing all hearts/vistas etc on the map I still had to repeat som DEs 4-5 times before getting to my story mission level. The solution is apparently to play other races zones or buy xp boosts.

They should really give more xp for the public quests as they were the best part of pve. I liked them in WAR and Rift too. But I don't want to have to repeat them too many times.

 

They can just remove the hearts from the game, all of those I tried sucked big time. Replace them with fun public quests instead.

Is it still that way though? During the first BWE i attended i found the same thing but in the subsequent ones i spent my time in sPVP and WvWvW so never got around to checking for changes. There were dev posts a while back recognizing that the xp gain from PvE needed tweaked up a little so i imagine that they have either done that already or have it in the works for launch, or at least i hope.

Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.

  p_c_sousa

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7/26/12 2:56:31 AM#50
Originally posted by tyfon
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You dont have to do all quests/hearts/events, if quests dont suit your epicness you can pass them and move on.   there are more then enough epic quests

The problem with this is that if you skip anything on the map you will be lagging behind your story quest and have to grind out repeat DE or whatever.

I had problems even with completing all hearts/vistas etc on the map I still had to repeat som DEs 4-5 times before getting to my story mission level. The solution is apparently to play other races zones or buy xp boosts.

They should really give more xp for the public quests as they were the best part of pve. I liked them in WAR and Rift too. But I don't want to have to repeat them too many times.

 

They can just remove the hearts from the game, all of those I tried sucked big time. Replace them with fun public quests instead.

agree, for me they could remove heart quest completly from game but WoW players with close mind will be totally lost on game, even with heart quest they seem be already lost

  Nefera

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7/26/12 2:57:40 AM#51
Originally posted by tyfon
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You dont have to do all quests/hearts/events, if quests dont suit your epicness you can pass them and move on.   there are more then enough epic quests

The problem with this is that if you skip anything on the map you will be lagging behind your story quest and have to grind out repeat DE or whatever.

I had problems even with completing all hearts/vistas etc on the map I still had to repeat som DEs 4-5 times before getting to my story mission level. The solution is apparently to play other races zones or buy xp boosts.

They should really give more xp for the public quests as they were the best part of pve. I liked them in WAR and Rift too. But I don't want to have to repeat them too many times.

 

They can just remove the hearts from the game, all of those I tried sucked big time. Replace them with fun public quests instead.

I'd definitely recommend gathering crafting materials and doing some basic crafting as well. Gets you some very good xp along the road, and some cash from selling materials/items. XP boosts aren't going to help too much, as they only give +50% to kills (not xp from events, or anything else).

 

It should definitely be doable, I tried to complete maps as I explored them, and craft with whatever materials I collected on the way, and I stayed at a level appropriate to the map section I was in without even touching storyline after tutorial, or visiting other starting areas. :)

 

Edit: Agreed on removing the hearts. They should be removed entirely, or at least heavily changed. Too many people confuse them with actual quests and think that is all there is to the game.

  FlawSGI

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7/26/12 2:58:56 AM#52
Originally posted by JimmyYO

Alot of bias fanboi's in here trying to pretend GW2 has anything but run of the mill borefest questing.

Pro tip: If you love a game more then life itself you cannot have a useful opinion on it.

I see a lot of answers to the OP's question and not blind fanboi's tryng to pretend anything.

Pro tip: if you don't have something to add to a discussion other than trying to make others look bad with blanket and false statements, maybe you should just keep lurking because it makes you look bad.

@ the picture. The artists doesn't like the game and that's fine, but what he failed to show in the picture was that there is choice in GW2 that isn't in the typical quest game. The heart quests (if you want to call them that) all have multiple ways of completing them (as others have mentioned) so you choose which way suits you. You can choose to ignore them completely because they are not the meat and potatoes of the games leveling experience, unlike the regular quest grind WoW type MMO, which the artist didn't depict.

 

@OP I agree that the heart areas and their tasks can be boring and were not one of my faveorite things to do. As another poster had mentioned, you can get credit for them by completing a DE that pops up in their vicinity. When someone tells you don't do them if you don't like them, it isn't always an attack because you litterally do not have to do them for any reason. The NPC will sell you a karma reward for your efforts but tha't really all they offer and by skipping them you aren't hurting yourslef. Now if you just created a thread to gripe about the games heart tasks and wasn't really looking for an answer to your question then feel free to continue, your question has been answered multiple times. No game is going to be perfect and the hearts just so happen to be one of the things you don't enjoy. But they aren't nearly as bad as you painted them, every one I have done has a task that involves killing if you prefer that over collecting something.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  lifeordinary

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7/26/12 3:00:50 AM#53
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Nefera
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by DJJazzy

LOL

You are a funny dude

Reminds me of this...

 

Well, except this is comparing regular quests to GW2's reknown hearts, not what would be considered the equivalent of quests in GW2. Only shows the "artist" here has no clue about the game.

 

As a fan of GW2 I will honestly say that to me completing reknown hearts is boring as hell. Luckily they usually complete themselves while doing dynamic events in the area.

GW2 has same tasks that you do in regular questing. Kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed ex tasks. Only difference is you call it DE's and heart events in GW2. Artist is pretty spot on i would say.

Well, your comment just shows me you have no idea of how the game works. Artist gladly shows heart events (which there are none of in the last zones), but happily ignores DEs that don't work like that.

 

Of course GW2 will have the same tasks in one form or other, if you break down quests like that, every MMO is the same. In every MMO, you have to kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed-ex. That still doesn't mean that in reality every game plays or feels the same.

Only because people disagree with you doesn't mean they have no idea what they are talking about. I participated in all beta events and although i enjoy GW2 i won't deny that starting areas are weak and have boring events. Moreover even DE's have tasks like kill x, defend y and collect. How can you even deny that?

The only difference is that in GW2 you call them with different name however underlying tasks are still basic questing.  Artists is not just depicting heart events he is giving a general idea about how events work in GW2 and that even though being presented differently you do same tasks as any other quests in MMOS.

  MumboJumbo

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7/26/12 3:01:18 AM#54
So have ppl been able to categorise the types of DE's yet? And if so how successful each one is, what their general frequencies are ie 50% fight off these guys, in several waves etc and any special mentions of DE's that are distinct and noteworthy?

So the evolution of the quest we see how far it's
Coming along...
  DJJazzy

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7/26/12 3:01:31 AM#55

Well, I kind of liked the renown heart where I got turned into a cow and had to show the other cows how to fight.

Edit: hmm, now that I think about it, that was an event, not a heart

  Koroshiya

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7/26/12 3:02:40 AM#56
Originally posted by tyfon
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You dont have to do all quests/hearts/events, if quests dont suit your epicness you can pass them and move on.   there are more then enough epic quests

The problem with this is that if you skip anything on the map you will be lagging behind your story quest and have to grind out repeat DE or whatever.

I had problems even with completing all hearts/vistas etc on the map I still had to repeat som DEs 4-5 times before getting to my story mission level. The solution is apparently to play other races zones or buy xp boosts.

They should really give more xp for the public quests as they were the best part of pve. I liked them in WAR and Rift too. But I don't want to have to repeat them too many times.

 

They can just remove the hearts from the game, all of those I tried sucked big time. Replace them with fun public quests instead.

in the Asura area, I never repeated one and I hit 20 before the end of the beta weekend by just going to different POI's and finding random events, I only did two hearts the whole time and never "repeated" anything.  What zone were you in?

  lifeordinary

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7/26/12 3:04:23 AM#57
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

 people comparing heart quest to DE....loool. this guys dont have any clue about what is going on GW2. this silly post just make me LOOOL. 

i must say the silly guy that to that picture dont know a s**** about GW2. anyone play game know that.

 

HEART quest are just quest, exist lot of them on start areas and they decrease when you go to high lvl (on higher lvl zone you will have 0 heart quest). 

DE have nothing to do with heart quest, anyone say is same but have a diferent name just look stupid and clear show dont know anything about GW2

Really? if you have played GW2 could please tell me what kind of tasks you do during DE'S? you don't kill and defend? collect and escort? what else are DE's? because i did a lot of them and all tasks are basic questing tasks which we have been doing for years in MMOS.

If you deny that it is not what DE's are about then mind telling me what have you been doing during dynamic events? yes on ocassion you get something silly and funny to do but most of the DE4s involve basic kill this and collect that objectives.

 

And no one here said heart events are DE's, you need to read properly before replying.

  FlawSGI

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7/26/12 3:04:36 AM#58
Originally posted by tyfon
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

You dont have to do all quests/hearts/events, if quests dont suit your epicness you can pass them and move on.   there are more then enough epic quests

The problem with this is that if you skip anything on the map you will be lagging behind your story quest and have to grind out repeat DE or whatever.

I had problems even with completing all hearts/vistas etc on the map I still had to repeat som DEs 4-5 times before getting to my story mission level. The solution is apparently to play other races zones or buy xp boosts.

They should really give more xp for the public quests as they were the best part of pve. I liked them in WAR and Rift too. But I don't want to have to repeat them too many times.

 

They can just remove the hearts from the game, all of those I tried sucked big time. Replace them with fun public quests instead.

This is not true. If you gather materials for crafting you will more than make enough exp to get ahead of your personal story level requirements. I have not had to repeat DE's just to keep up and I was able to ignore some of the heart tasks I did during previouse BWE's. The game rewards you with exp for a lot of things so the exp rate is not a problem if you do at least some things.  You definately do not have to buy exp boosts or go to other zones just to keep up with personal story even with skipping hearts.

As to the hearts, I agree they could have done without them, but some people actually like them. My wife loves doing the other tasks that do not involve killing x.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Nefera

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Posts: 426

7/26/12 3:06:21 AM#59
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Nefera

Well, your comment just shows me you have no idea of how the game works. Artist gladly shows heart events (which there are none of in the last zones), but happily ignores DEs that don't work like that.

 

Of course GW2 will have the same tasks in one form or other, if you break down quests like that, every MMO is the same. In every MMO, you have to kill x, collect y, escort, defend and fed-ex. That still doesn't mean that in reality every game plays or feels the same.

Only because people disagree with you doesn't mean they have no idea what they are talking about. I participated in all beta events and although i enjoy GW2 i won't deny that starting areas are weak and have boring events. Moreover even DE's have tasks like kill x, defend y and collect. How can you even deny that?

The only difference is that in GW2 you call them with different name however underlying tasks are still basic questing.  Artists is not just depicting heart events he is giving a general idea about how events work in GW2 and that even though being presented differently you do same tasks as any other quests in MMOS.

Some reading comprehension is a good start here. I just very clearly stated that of course GW2 has these - how you think that I am denying it, I have no idea.

 

And you're slipping to reductio ad absurdum very fast.

 

Edit: He failed pretty badly on that one.

  DJJazzy

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7/26/12 3:06:30 AM#60
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by p_c_sousa

 people comparing heart quest to DE....loool. this guys dont have any clue about what is going on GW2. this silly post just make me LOOOL. 

i must say the silly guy that to that picture dont know a s**** about GW2. anyone play game know that.

 

HEART quest are just quest, exist lot of them on start areas and they decrease when you go to high lvl (on higher lvl zone you will have 0 heart quest). 

DE have nothing to do with heart quest, anyone say is same but have a diferent name just look stupid and clear show dont know anything about GW2

Really? if you have played GW2 could please tell me what kind of tasks you do during DE'S? you don't kill and defend? collect and escort? what else are DE's? because i did a lot of them and all tasks are basic questing tasks which we have been doing for years in MMOS. If you deny thatis not what DE4s are about then mind telling me what have you been doing during dynamic events? yes on ocassion you get somethign silly and funny to do but msot of the DE4s involve basic kill this and collect that objectives.

 

Well again, that is what every game's tasks are. There is no way to change the base activities. It's all in the presentation.

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