I think many people are relating the two as clones because of the "Engine" and the developer's view point on being "Able to Access by Anyone!"

Just my 2c.

I suppose GW2 being b2p made people not calling it a wow clone.  That's probably the biggest reason.

And if you want to say bad thing about GW2, you'll have a big b2p fan base behind your back waiting to stab you. 

gw2 fans learned early on that calling a new game a WoW clone was the quickest way to rid this forum of any discussion that is not about gw2.  most people will follow behind the loudest voice.  right now the loudest voice is gw2.

Originally posted by laokoko

I suppose GW2 being b2p made people not calling it a wow clone.  That's probably the biggest reason.

And if you want to say bad thing about GW2, you'll have a big b2p fan base behind your back waiting to stab you. 

GW2 isn't a WoW clone because of it's skill system, combat system, zoned world, fair and balanced sPvP, WvW, crafting system, AH features, and focus on events over quest hubs just to name a few features. Now I have to ask, am I wrong?

As far as TESO being called a WoW clone, there are obviously some seriously pissed off Elder Scrolls fans who are upset that the game doesn't live up to their expectations and calling a game a WoW clone is one of the biggest insults you can use on this forum without getting moded.

TESO isn't a WoW clone and neither is GW2.

OP: I suggest spending some time reading developer interviews and you can answer your own question.

The people that have said (or intimated) TESO is going to be a WoW clone are the developers themselves, and at the same time distanced TESO gameplay from that of the single player ES titles.

They have made statements to that effect several times at various outlets, most of which are noted in this very forum.

There is plenty of hate for what TESO is looking to be, but in this case, much of it appears to be well deserved.

Originally posted by OldManFunk

Originally posted by laokoko

I suppose GW2 being b2p made people not calling it a wow clone.  That's probably the biggest reason.

And if you want to say bad thing about GW2, you'll have a big b2p fan base behind your back waiting to stab you. 

 

GW2 isn't a WoW clone because of it's skill system, combat system, zoned world, fair and balanced sPvP, WvW, crafting system, AH features, and focus on events over quest hubs just to name a few features. Now I have to ask, am I wrong?

 

As far as TESO being called a WoW clone, there are obviously some seriously pissed off Elder Scrolls fans who are upset that the game doesn't live up to their expectations and calling a game a WoW clone is one of the biggest insults you can use on this forum without getting moded.

 

TESO isn't a WoW clone and neither is GW2.

It could be argued that throwing out what makes a TES game what it is, and replacing it with the traditionnal stuff, is a form of "WoWification" which would in turn cause players to call it a WoW clone. 

I mean let's face is, besides the names, TESO is nothing like a TES game. 

Not at all. I'm Guild Wars fan and I never saw this game as "wow clone". There is to many differences in character development, quest system, PVP, endgame, progression overall etc.

TES was consider (also by myself) as WoW clone just because developers on early stages didn't give us much information except that they said few things about accessible game, formula that people know, hero engine (that work under TOR that is pathetic wow clone in many ways) and few other things.

So most of those people probably catch with TES on early terms and they didn't have new informations so they stay in their ignorance. 

For me - TES is not WoW clone but also it's not TES. This game is nothing like TES except lore.

Originally posted by Mexorilla

gw2 fans learned early on that calling a new game a WoW clone was the quickest way to rid this forum of any discussion that is not about gw2.  most people will follow behind the loudest voice.  right now the loudest voice is gw2.

i like how ppl are blaming the GW2 fans for not calling it a WoW clone...

anyway... the clone talk is BS... it doesnt mean anything it only shows that the player who wrote it is a hater for almost no reason. any1 can call any game a clone if they so wish... hell all games are pong clones coz they are games!! there will always be similarities in a genre. its only in the mmo genre ppl are using this lame excues to flames games. its quite seldom you see ppl screaming that a RTS game is a warcraft clone for an example

Originally posted by Burntvet

OP: I suggest spending some time reading developer interviews and you can answer your own question.

The people that have said (or intimated) TESO is going to be a WoW clone are the developers themselves, and at the same time distanced TESO gameplay from that of the single player ES titles.

They have made statements to that effect several times at various outlets, most of which are noted in this very forum.

There is plenty of hate for what TESO is looking to be, but in this case, much of it appears to be well deserved.

 

Pretty much spot on.

The TES IP, which has existed since 1994 I think, is sort of a sacred cow for the fanbase it's build over all these years. The simple idea of removing major key features that made TES popular is akin to pissing on Freddy Mercury's grave....you don't freaking do that, and will be publicly hanged for doing such. Although Firor seems intent on hanging himself in this case.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

It could be argued that throwing out what makes a TES game what it is, and replacing it with the traditionnal stuff, is a form of "WoWification" which would in turn cause players to call it a WoW clone. 

 

I mean let's face is, besides the names, TESO is nothing like a TES game. 

Yes, I'll give you that the MMO won't likely be much like its namesake... but to be honest there are a lot of game features that work really well in single player and coop games but not in MMOs. I can understand why a TES MMO that doesn't live up to its namesake would upset the fans but I've read over the feature list and it really doesn't seem to be quite as bad as a WoW clone... to me, maybe I'm wrong, though.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by OldManFunk

Originally posted by laokoko
  

 

It could be argued that throwing out what makes a TES game what it is, and replacing it with the traditionnal stuff, is a form of "WoWification" which would in turn cause players to call it a WoW clone. 

 

I mean let's face is, besides the names, TESO is nothing like a TES game. 

It's this. This is the issue with it. I wouldn't necessarily call it a 'WoW clone', per se. But it destroyed any and all semblance to the Elder Scrolls series that the fans (Myself very much included) loved about the games. And I can honestly say, without a single doubt, that anyone that thinks otherwise has not touched an Elder Scrolls game and should not even be partaking in any form of discussion about it.

The fact that multitudes of MMO players think that it is completely okay to come in and absolutely destroy what makes a game series what it is, while having absolutely no prior experience with said game(s) is absolutely disgusting. It would be like having American Football be turned into Soccer, because there was a mass exodus from Europe and they wanted the sport to change. I can guarantee you that there would be millions of -very- unhappy fans.

I think it's less about the game being a WoW clone, and more about it being a bitchslap to the TES fans.

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by OldManFunk

Originally posted by laokoko

I suppose GW2 being b2p made people not calling it a wow clone.  That's probably the biggest reason.

And if you want to say bad thing about GW2, you'll have a big b2p fan base behind your back waiting to stab you. 

 

GW2 isn't a WoW clone because of it's skill system, combat system, zoned world, fair and balanced sPvP, WvW, crafting system, AH features, and focus on events over quest hubs just to name a few features. Now I have to ask, am I wrong?

 

As far as TESO being called a WoW clone, there are obviously some seriously pissed off Elder Scrolls fans who are upset that the game doesn't live up to their expectations and calling a game a WoW clone is one of the biggest insults you can use on this forum without getting moded.

 

TESO isn't a WoW clone and neither is GW2.

It could be argued that throwing out what makes a TES game what it is, and replacing it with the traditionnal stuff, is a form of "WoWification" which would in turn cause players to call it a WoW clone. 

 

I mean let's face is, besides the names, TESO is nothing like a TES game. 

Originally posted by MMOExposed

Originally posted by MadnessRealm

Originally posted by OldManFunk

Originally posted by laokoko
 

 

 

 

Besides name, Guilld Wars 2 is nothing like GW1. WoW is nothing like Warcraft besides name. Not sure how TESO get bashed for not being TES.

Arena Net produced Guild Wars 1 and is producing Guild Wars 2. Blizzard produced Warcraft, Warcraft II, Warcraft III and World of Warcraft.

Bethesda produced the Elder Scrolls. Zenimax Online is producing TESO.

That's fucked up.

Originally posted by MMOExposed
Well looking over this forum's activity, it seem like the community here views TESO as a WoW clone. This come sup in just about every thread.

But what I want to know is how/why is TESO being considered a WoW clone?

How is TESO considered a WoW clone but GW2 isn't?

TESO seems to share many features with GW2, except it has three faction PvP in the world shared by PvE. You still have active dodge and block mechanics like GW2, and you have class system like GW2, and I heard it has events, but not sure to what extent. Also TESO is being backed by some DAoC developers for PvP.

Sounds closest to GW2 than WoW. So how is it a WoW clone but not GW2?

Honesty, where does the WoW come into this at all?

No way in hell is TESO a clone of WoW.  It has some common elements but it also has some common elements of GW2 and DAoC.  Plus it has plenty of innovation.  The people who say it is a clone are jsut haters who throw that phrase around like it means something when in all reality it doesnt.  The guys who hate it are jsut pissed because it isnt a Skyrim MMO. 

Personally I would love a clone of Skyrim in MMO form but am plenty happy that it is doing some things its own way.  I truely look forward to the game.

MMO's are considered clones of eachother because there is an insanely large number of over sensitive MMO players who lack imagination or forward thinking of any kind.

Do you see racing games being compared like this? because they all have steering wheels in the cars..so they must be clones.

And so it continues

but there isn't any gameplay video of TESO yet? or am I wrong?... how can people argue for something that haven't seen yet?

Originally posted by MMOExposed

 

Besides name, Guilld Wars 2 is nothing like GW1. WoW is nothing like Warcraft besides name. Not sure how TESO get bashed for not being TES.

The difference here is that going from GW1 to GW2, and from the Warcraft RTS series to WoW, was an upgrade, the devs pushed those IPs foward. They didn't rip anything from them, only added on. With TESO they're just ripping so many things out, the dumbed down MMO combat, strict classes, race locked factions, housing, etc., the list goes on and on. Not to mention that most IPs won't ever get more than one MMO attempt, meaning that this is it, there's basically no hope of ever seeing a true ES MMO.

As for it being called a WoW clone, I dunno, I can't honestly say that I've read people saying it that much. I've seen a lot of people crying about it being a themepark (which isn't the same thing as being a WoW clone) and not a sandbox. Honestly, it being a themepark doesn't bother me, it's the least of my concerns with the game.

Well first, they mention WoW several times in almost every interview.

Second, the PvE side of things is going to focus on singleplayer questing, phasing, and instancing.

The poor DAoC guy thats running the show seems to be trying to get in the good features of DAoC PvE but the execs are probably stone walling him. He managed to squeak public dungeons in, but we have instanced dungeons too, which means public dungeons will be useless.

Wtf is up with these stupid thread titles all the time?  You go into a thread like this thinking you'll be shown facts relating to the thread title, only to discover that's not the case at all.

Thread title should have been "WHY is TESO considered a WoW clone?"  Not "TESO IS A WOW CLONE".