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General Discussion  » Guild Wars 2 will not be finished by launch.

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  Magnetia

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Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

 
OP  7/25/12 7:36:02 PM#1

Many of us have discussed the features or lack thereof in GW2. I personally think that GW2 is releasing unfinished but for good reason. The game is close to being complete and I think that most players share a feeling niggling them about why GW2 isn't quite the second coming. I may have figured out why.

ANet have stated that they are launching a service. That work does not end at launch. Launch is when the whole thing starts.

Using GW1 as an example I can tell you that the GW1 you see today was almost completely different than what it was at launch. Even WoW can boast that they have improved or steamlined various systems in there. The difference between what games were at launch and what they are now is an interesting thing to think about.

What I feel from GW2 is that they have built an extremely solid but easily manipulated foundation for an MMO. I think they've built the game and the code around providing future updates and aren't afraid to do crazy thing just to see if it works.

I simply cannot wait for the improvements GW2 will be able to provide to players over time. Item preview, vistas, linked crafting tables to banks - less than a month.

What other MMOs can boast such quick implementation of new features?

Launch will be exciting but the future is what really excites me about gw2.

 

 

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  vmoped

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7/25/12 7:38:06 PM#2

Number 1 response to OP is....

"what mmo is launched finished?"

Cheers!

MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S

  Torrmwyre

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Joined: 7/25/09
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7/25/12 7:39:20 PM#3

Considering a lot of games have released unfinished the past few years, I seriously doubt people will have an issue with this. While it may release without everything, it still has a hell of a lot more to offer than a lot of stuff the market has put out.

  Magnetia

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Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

 
OP  7/25/12 7:41:27 PM#4
Originally posted by vmoped

Number 1 response to OP is....

"what mmo is launched finished?"

Cheers!

It's just hard to see through the excitement sometimes. I can honestly say that even though I am a big fan of GW2 I am really quite sad that it lacks Guild Halls. Others will say that 'This is all gw2 has! OMG SUX' without thinking about how this game might be in the future.

When I played WOTLK I really didn't think I would see flying in the old continent anytime soon. Then Cata blew my mind.

Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?

  DaezAster

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7/25/12 7:43:16 PM#5

I felt the game was launch worthy the second bwe or atleast what we were shown. Think the game has been finished and has just been getting fine tuned and polished for release based of the user feedback. Unless they have an epic server snafu or something like that I can't see how the launch can go bad based of my beta experience. 

  darker70

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7/25/12 7:51:48 PM#6
Originally posted by vmoped

Number 1 response to OP is....

"what mmo is launched finished?"

Cheers!

Exactly and why is it that this pre launch Beta practically melts my hardrive like a slab of warm butter dribbling over a baked potato if this is pre launch,then good God 1 year from now it will be like an oil slick !!

But  I am of the Dark and Light,Aerrevan,Irth Worlds,Alganon,Fallen Earth,Craft of Gods and many more Alpha/Beta's that even at launch where as fun to play as haveing my teeth pulled with rusty pliers,maybe i'm just of the older Mo Gamer who is just happy they do not need to check IRC to check if a community member has patched the game launcher exe.as the devs are to bloody stupid to programme their own game persuasion,DnL anyone ? 

 

  Dakeru

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Joined: 9/21/09
Posts: 1568

7/25/12 7:52:35 PM#7

OP may have a point. Though by the time I'm done with completing the noobmaps they will have probably included the "missing" content.

The only real reason I could come up with for a release at a later time, would be the christmas business.

I have an entitlement delusion - because I have this strange idea that my 50$ should have the same value as anyone else's 50$
"Your account is not entitled to the same value as a new account. Just saying you are entitled to the same as someone else because you said so is exactly what expresses your entitlement issues."

  xalvi

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 343

7/25/12 7:55:26 PM#8

Actually it is finished. I can't link this because the forums is closed, but Jon peters confirmed that now they are just 100% focused on bug fixes and class balances thats it. Nothing more to the game needs to be added or removed or redesigned.

  gestalt11

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Joined: 5/17/06
Posts: 6280

7/25/12 7:57:20 PM#9

Define finished and tell me how you test/measure such a thing.

 

No, I am very serious if you can do that you will make millions of dollars in software development consulting.  You will be the new "Agile", man.

  Magnetia

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Joined: 11/07/11
Posts: 1031

Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

 
OP  7/25/12 8:01:09 PM#10
Originally posted by xalvi

Actually it is finished. I can't link this because the forums is closed, but Jon peters confirmed that now they are just 100% focused on bug fixes and class balances thats it. Nothing more to the game needs to be added or removed or redesigned.

All the CORE systems are in place. However the team are still looking to implement features post launch. Right now though they are satisfied that everything awesome is working and the really fine polish can come after.

Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?

  OldManFunk

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7/25/12 8:01:54 PM#11

What exactly is missing or unfinished?

  Magnetia

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Joined: 11/07/11
Posts: 1031

Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

 
OP  7/25/12 8:02:33 PM#12
Originally posted by gestalt11

Define finished and tell me how you test/measure such a thing.

 

No, I am very serious if you can do that you will make millions of dollars in software development consulting.  You will be the new "Agile", man.

Lol. Whats that saying again? No software ever goes out 100% complete?

Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?

  BeansnBread

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7/25/12 8:03:11 PM#13
Originally posted by OldManFunk

What exactly is missing or unfinished?

I think he just made a provocative title to get responses, but is really just saying that he can't wait to see what they add next.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  InEccess

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Joined: 3/04/04
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7/25/12 8:03:48 PM#14

Golly, I hope the game isn't finished at release. I really look forward to future patches, rather than boxed expansions like the first one had.

  Magnetia

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Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

 
OP  7/25/12 8:03:53 PM#15
Originally posted by OldManFunk

What exactly is missing or unfinished?

PvP spectator, guild halls (maybe), WvW ranking

Smaller things that need not be in launch.

Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?

  crysent

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7/25/12 8:05:45 PM#16

I guess I'm not entirely certain where you are coming from - Myself having played just about every single AAA mmo and numerous AA and A MMO's since Ultima Online I can say a few certainties:

 

GW2 is as smooth a product as I have played, especially considering its features.

 

Class balance, class polishing and exploit fixing is a constant in all MMOs, it's a mean to no ends, it's part of the mmo experience - if your expecting a flawless MMO it will never, ever, happen..

 

MMOs are never really 'finished' not if they want to stay competitive, they must constantly add, adjust, balance, rinse and repeat.

 

GW2 has been in development a long time, being a customer you have to realize sooner or later the investors at the top will force this thing out regardless of the state its in.  

  gestalt11

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Posts: 6280

7/25/12 8:06:58 PM#17
Originally posted by Magnetia
Originally posted by gestalt11

Define finished and tell me how you test/measure such a thing.

 

No, I am very serious if you can do that you will make millions of dollars in software development consulting.  You will be the new "Agile", man.

Lol. Whats that saying again? No software ever goes out 100% complete?

Those aren't bugs ...  they are features!

  Gaia_Hunter

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7/25/12 8:09:25 PM#18
Originally posted by gestalt11
Originally posted by Magnetia
Originally posted by gestalt11

Define finished and tell me how you test/measure such a thing.

 

No, I am very serious if you can do that you will make millions of dollars in software development consulting.  You will be the new "Agile", man.

Lol. Whats that saying again? No software ever goes out 100% complete?

Those aren't bugs ...  they are features!

The problem is when they "fix" the features because they were bugs and weren't working as intended...

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  Beoelf21

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7/25/12 8:12:04 PM#19

Its never a good idea when your looking forward to game changes and updates b4 the game even launches.

  jazz.be

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Joined: 8/26/06
Posts: 803

7/25/12 8:13:08 PM#20

Isn't that the main feature of an MMORPG that separates the style from normal games? The fact that it's constantly unfinished?

Now I don't know what I'm talking about since I haven't played Guild Wars 2 yet, but from a conceptual point of view an MMORPG should never be finished. It should be worked out either with free updates or paid content expansions.

 

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