There's an Investor Call coming up for EA on July 26.

I am betting that that the subscriber figures for SWTOR are now so bad that that no amount of 'live subscribption/free trial/free resubbing' will be able to disguise that fact.

So I bet that ACTUAL SUBSCRIBER NUMBERS WILL NOT BE MENTIONED at this call (nor will be in the foreseeable future) except a vague mention perhaps that 'numbers are a little below expectations' or some such waffle.

If by some mad chance, numbers ARE mentioned, I bet the figure will be 800,000. [It goes without saying these figures have received a good old EA massage and the true figure is <350,000]

Anyone else want to bet?

I'm pretty sure since it's a 'call' can't they sort of 'demand' to know the numbers.  

But it should be interesting regardless, I must say,

On my birthday! I wonder what wonderful presents EA will have in store for me... : )

It would be great if one of the investors asked about roi return on investment. Now that is the number I would love to hear. We all know were going to get bloated suscription info now that its free to play 1-15.

Originally posted by erictlewis

It would be great if one of the investors asked about roi return on investment. Now that is the number I would love to hear. We all know were going to get bloated suscription info now that its free to play 1-15.

 

Yeppers. I think the F2P to level 15 was initially planned to hide the pathetic player numbers. Also, there are a lot of canceled subscriptions with time left until August that will be counted too. I am thinking there is a lot of pressure to go F2P ASAP being applied.

The US destination servers are all at standard status at 5:30 pm EDST. Maybe a few will get heavy or very heavy during the course of the evening. Do any of them ever ding "Full" with a waiting queue anymore? 

The numbers will be skewed for two reasons, the group finder/server merge did actually bring quite a few people back(even if it's for a short while) during the typical decline of subscriptions since patch 1.3 came out in between quarterly reports. So while the subs pre-1.3 could've been 500k they may show up as 750k+ due to the influx of brief 're-uppers'.

The F2P up to level 15 is two fold, it allows people to try out the game and EA/Bioware may gain substantial numbers for a couple of months. It is also for future testing of a true F2P model... Any successful business will try and kill two birds with one stone as much as possible, it's a smart decision either way.

Originally posted by noncley

If by some mad chance, numbers ARE mentioned, I bet the figure will be 800,000. [It goes without saying these figures have received a good old EA massage and the true figure is <350,000]

Anyone else want to bet?

So you're saying that if they talk numbers, they'll outright lie. And they won't lie a little, they'll invent a number over double what their actual subscribers are.

I tell you what, I do want to bet. I want to bet that you have no clue what you're talking about, and that you pulled both numbers out of thin air. Unless you have links with evidence to show what the 'true' numbers are, of course, and then I'd be happy to recant.

---

Originally posted by rygard49

---

Originally posted by noncley If by some mad chance, numbers ARE mentioned, I bet the figure will be 800,000. [It goes without saying these figures have received a good old EA massage and the true figure is <350,000] Anyone else want to bet?

---

So you're saying that if they talk numbers, they'll outright lie. And they won't lie a little, they'll invent a number over double what their actual subscribers are.

I tell you what, I do want to bet. I want to bet that you have no clue what you're talking about, and that you pulled both numbers out of thin air. Unless you have links with evidence to show what the 'true' numbers are, of course, and then I'd be happy to recant.

---

They've been lying this whole time, why would they not lie this time? It doesn't take a genius to know that the game is dead and there's no way it has 800k subs. I'm sure they'll say it has 1,000,000 subs though when in reality it's probably about 200k subs. Pathetic.

Originally posted by kanezfan

 

---

Originally posted by rygard49

---

Originally posted by noncley If by some mad chance, numbers ARE mentioned, I bet the figure will be 800,000. [It goes without saying these figures have received a good old EA massage and the true figure is <350,000] Anyone else want to bet?

---

So you're saying that if they talk numbers, they'll outright lie. And they won't lie a little, they'll invent a number over double what their actual subscribers are.

 

I tell you what, I do want to bet. I want to bet that you have no clue what you're talking about, and that you pulled both numbers out of thin air. Unless you have links with evidence to show what the 'true' numbers are, of course, and then I'd be happy to recant.

---

 

They've been lying this whole time, why would they not lie this time? It doesn't take a genius to know that the game is dead and there's no way it has 800k subs. I'm sure they'll say it has 1,000,000 subs though when in reality it's probably about 200k subs. Pathetic.

I think they will find some way to say they have 1 mil subs even though it's impossible just from looking at how many servers are left.

And, yes EA will and has lied about the sub numbers from day 1.

I thought this was a thread about some sort of Hutt casino being added into the game and maybe was a first step into creating a more flushed out Star Wars universe. 

I'm sad now. 

Originally posted by Xerith

I thought this was a thread about some sort of Hutt casino being added into the game and maybe was a first step into creating a more flushed out Star Wars universe. 

I'm sad now. 

Makes two of us. Well, not the sad part but I did think the Casino part was going to be kinda what you mentioned.

Originally posted by Trionicus

Originally posted by Xerith

I thought this was a thread about some sort of Hutt casino being added into the game and maybe was a first step into creating a more flushed out Star Wars universe. 

I'm sad now. 

Makes two of us. Well, not the sad part but I did think the Casino part was going to be kinda what you mentioned.

Make it 3 of us. That casino represents such a HUGE lost opportunity...

Can they sensor these calls? I'm not sure but,legally can they? I have no clue how investor calls work. but I thought they had to be dead honest with investors. I thought it was illlegal or somthing to lie to these folks since they put up a pretty penny to EA.

Of course they can, everyone does.
For beeing a "subscriber" there is no legal bound definition. They might state a subscriber is someone having an active account, positive standing or playtime left BLAH.

Now everyone, even not active playing Trial accounts, or now permanent "active" F2P lvl15 accounts are "subscribers".

Over 2Million subscribers! YAY!

Beautiful isn't it?
The only number they can't lie is how much money they made through subscribtions. But that may or may not be put into right context where even 50% loss may look good.

Originally posted by Bardus

Originally posted by kanezfan

 

---

Originally posted by rygard49

---

Originally posted by noncley If by some mad chance, numbers ARE mentioned, I bet the figure will be 800,000. [It goes without saying these figures have received a good old EA massage and the true figure is <350,000] Anyone else want to bet?

---

So you're saying that if they talk numbers, they'll outright lie. And they won't lie a little, they'll invent a number over double what their actual subscribers are.

 

I tell you what, I do want to bet. I want to bet that you have no clue what you're talking about, and that you pulled both numbers out of thin air. Unless you have links with evidence to show what the 'true' numbers are, of course, and then I'd be happy to recant.

---

 

They've been lying this whole time, why would they not lie this time? It doesn't take a genius to know that the game is dead and there's no way it has 800k subs. I'm sure they'll say it has 1,000,000 subs though when in reality it's probably about 200k subs. Pathetic.

I think they will find some way to say they have 1 mil subs even though it's impossible just from looking at how many servers are left.

And, yes EA will and has lied about the sub numbers from day 1.

Once again, if either of you would like to cite links with evidence of this I'll be happy to believe you. In the meantime you're just spouting random bullshit.

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

Can they sensor these calls? I'm not sure but,legally can they? I have no clue how investor calls work. but I thought they had to be dead honest with investors. I thought it was illlegal or somthing to lie to these folks since they put up a pretty penny to EA.

 

They can lie... but that's called fraud, and it gets you a pretty neat stretch of time in Federal "Pound-me-in-the-ass" Prison.

Originally posted by Rednecksith

Originally posted by Trionicus

Originally posted by Xerith

I thought this was a thread about some sort of Hutt casino being added into the game and maybe was a first step into creating a more flushed out Star Wars universe. 

I'm sad now. 

Makes two of us. Well, not the sad part but I did think the Casino part was going to be kinda what you mentioned.

Make it 3 of us. That casino represents such a HUGE lost opportunity...

 me four then all the bounty hunters could of hunted those with unpaid debts....

Oh anouther one of these TOR sucks TOR fail threads. LMAO TOR is not going anywere it will be around for a very long time to come TYVM