Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by stragen001

Sigh...

Stop trying to play GW2 like WOW. Its not a race to complete an area as quickly as possible and move onto the next one.

The way to play this game is to explore, and experience the dynamic events as they happen around you. Not just goto the heart quests do them and move onto the next heart quest. This BWE I have taken chars from their own staring area into ones that I have already done because I didnt want to ruin it for launch. I took my Charr to the Human starting area and about 50% of the DEs I experienced I didnt see when I played through the Human area as a Human. 

Go explore, look into nooks and crannys and you will find all sorts of stuff. There are loads of DE's off the beaten path and so much contact that isnt marked on the world map. Talk to NPCs. Lots of them actually trigger DE's of point you towards something that is happening on the map that you otherwise wouldnt know about.

Yes here it is again! This is not that other mmorpg. 

Anet needs a video at the beginning to teach players this isn't that other game. GW2 isn't about leveling and reaching the end, its about exploring and having fun on the way there.

that's why i enjoy his videos he actual tries to explain what a lot of people are missing http://www.youtube.com/user/CaraEmm?feature=watch

Feed the Trolls!!1

Originally posted by tyfon

Originally posted by evilastro

1) Leveling is pretty fast, I got to level 20 out of 80 levels with only about 5 hours effort? There isnt much of a leveling curve either according to ArenaNet so this would equate to 20 hours for a max level character, which doesnt seem slow at all.

2) Quests? Oh you mean heart objectives. You should try getting out of the starter zones, thats not what the game is about later on. They are just there to ease players into the new game style. Its all about dynamic events later on, which range from having snowball fights to protecting villages to espionage. Not sure what else you would expect from a combat based MMO?

3) Mystery chests require a key that is either a drop, or purchasable from the cash shop. You can also open them with butler golems that are available in game. The rewards from that chest are not worth paying real cash for, usually just convenience and novelty items.

4) You arent missing anything. If you dont like the game, move on? There are plenty of other options if you dont like what they are offering, you dont need to like it just because everyone else does.

 

On 1. I'm supposed to stay in an area to level to get to my story or move on past my story to level in higher areas and then move back when i reach the correct level? Or should one stay and grind out the public quests until you reach the level of your story mission?

The heart things can only be done once anyway..

2. And by quests I mean hearts and public quests. But to get out of the starter zone I have to run the same "dynamic" events over and over if I'm lucky enough to see one. I ran around in the zone around my story quest entrance gathering for almost an hour earlier without any spawning.

3. So far I haven't had any keys drop so I guess it's ment for the cash shop mainly. I'll try searching for the golem.

There are no public quests, there are dynamic events..And they are totally different in nature. tough some of the objectives are might be the same as what we used to see in quests, the setting is so much different.

If you try to play this game like WoW, its not that great, if you play it like EQ or any other more sandboxy game its just great. Arenanet is not holding your hand, .. which for some people is totally not acceptable.

Knowing someone in the alpha test makes a lot of these comments pretty funny. 

Leveling is not slow but there is a slight disparancy between the xp you can crank out of content in one zone at your specific level and the XP you need to advance beyond it, always. Personally I wish the xp was bumped up a little because the "just take a direction and go" is fun but doesn't work at all unless you are atleast 3 levels from max in the zone. I had the most fun just walking through various 15-25  zones as a lvl 25+ not having to worry about level compared to hitting the 15-25 charr zone as a 15 I was very boxed in and had to go to specific zonewise very small areas if I wanted to stay alive.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by stragen001

Sigh...

Stop trying to play GW2 like WOW. Its not a race to complete an area as quickly as possible and move onto the next one.

The way to play this game is to explore, and experience the dynamic events as they happen around you. Not just goto the heart quests do them and move onto the next heart quest. This BWE I have taken chars from their own staring area into ones that I have already done because I didnt want to ruin it for launch. I took my Charr to the Human starting area and about 50% of the DEs I experienced I didnt see when I played through the Human area as a Human. 

Go explore, look into nooks and crannys and you will find all sorts of stuff. There are loads of DE's off the beaten path and so much contact that isnt marked on the world map. Talk to NPCs. Lots of them actually trigger DE's of point you towards something that is happening on the map that you otherwise wouldnt know about.

Yes here it is again! This is not that other mmorpg. 

Anet needs a video at the beginning to teach players this isn't that other game. GW2 isn't about leveling and reaching the end, its about exploring and having fun on the way there.

that's why i enjoy his videos he actual tries to explain what a lot of people are missing http://www.youtube.com/user/CaraEmm?feature=watch

Thank you Aerowyn. More to watch!! 

Edit: He has been busy. Last time I saw he only had 3 videos out! 

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by stragen001

Sigh...

Stop trying to play GW2 like WOW. Its not a race to complete an area as quickly as possible and move onto the next one.

The way to play this game is to explore, and experience the dynamic events as they happen around you. Not just goto the heart quests do them and move onto the next heart quest. This BWE I have taken chars from their own staring area into ones that I have already done because I didnt want to ruin it for launch. I took my Charr to the Human starting area and about 50% of the DEs I experienced I didnt see when I played through the Human area as a Human. 

Go explore, look into nooks and crannys and you will find all sorts of stuff. There are loads of DE's off the beaten path and so much contact that isnt marked on the world map. Talk to NPCs. Lots of them actually trigger DE's of point you towards something that is happening on the map that you otherwise wouldnt know about.

Yes here it is again! This is not that other mmorpg. 

Anet needs a video at the beginning to teach players this isn't that other game. GW2 isn't about leveling and reaching the end, its about exploring and having fun on the way there.

that's why i enjoy his videos he actual tries to explain what a lot of people are missing http://www.youtube.com/user/CaraEmm?feature=watch

IMO if someone else has to explain to people how to enjoy and appriciate the game then the company fails in making a good game. 

Originally posted by Otakun

Originally posted by Aerowyn

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by stragen001

Sigh...

Stop trying to play GW2 like WOW. Its not a race to complete an area as quickly as possible and move onto the next one.

The way to play this game is to explore, and experience the dynamic events as they happen around you. Not just goto the heart quests do them and move onto the next heart quest. This BWE I have taken chars from their own staring area into ones that I have already done because I didnt want to ruin it for launch. I took my Charr to the Human starting area and about 50% of the DEs I experienced I didnt see when I played through the Human area as a Human. 

Go explore, look into nooks and crannys and you will find all sorts of stuff. There are loads of DE's off the beaten path and so much contact that isnt marked on the world map. Talk to NPCs. Lots of them actually trigger DE's of point you towards something that is happening on the map that you otherwise wouldnt know about.

Yes here it is again! This is not that other mmorpg. 

Anet needs a video at the beginning to teach players this isn't that other game. GW2 isn't about leveling and reaching the end, its about exploring and having fun on the way there.

that's why i enjoy his videos he actual tries to explain what a lot of people are missing http://www.youtube.com/user/CaraEmm?feature=watch

IMO if someone else has to explain to people how to enjoy and appriciate the game then the company fails in making a good game. 

not really just so many people are stuck in the mindset EVERY themepark MMO needs to play like warcraft.. now you may not see that as bad but I and many others do. I know it's hard to deviate from the norm but if you try you might be surprised and actually enjoy yourself

Got to level 9 in a few hours by just exploring and gathering.

The leveling experience is if anything too fast.

Originally posted by sapheroith

Originally posted by tyfon

Originally posted by hikaru77

¨exp boost¨ from the shop to fix that. but the fanboys will keep talking about how u can just craft or go to the other starter areas. 

 

Ah that explains it really.. I didn't think they designed it so that you needed to do several starting areas, but this seems logical now.

ROFL, you decided to ignore all other comments and listen to a renowned troll?

This is funny, and.....it figures, doesn't it?  I think this would further prove that yes, you're missing something.  Hello, McFly?

I have a feeling leveling is based on how many DEs you catch up (or rather miss out on when you come in to an area). As for me, it seems I always managed to miss them or someting, I was always under level for hearts/story. I did the exploring, I did the vistas, the crafting, the daily stuff and I was still underlevel. I considered grinding mobs, but unless you find the ones with uber bonus XP it's really not worth it.

For 1-15 area that is imo not the best design. Some people have no troubles, some have a alot. I know I sometimes spent literally 30 min running/porting around the map trying to find a DE to do, coz I was 3 levels below my next heart and mobs ate me up in 2 hits. Oh yes, I can do other races starter area but I think I shouldn't go to other starter areas to level....ok, for trait points and exploration I'll go there eventually, but not just to level a noob toon to friggin 15. Ah well or why not, it's not like doing the same DE 3-4 times is exciting new levelling style and teh shit and teh future and what not.

Don't get me wrong, I still like the game, I bought it and will play it, but so many ppl blindly defend it it's unbelievable.  Someone says something could be done better and nooo, it's perfect as is, u are noob. I saw quite a lot of people now complaining about being under level so where is the problem then, in  the game or in the gamers, if the leveling is RNG... (I could say it's like when in other games quests gave 0-1000XP...and on average you'd get 500 but hey, if you're unlucky you'll get 10 0XP in a row and then be without quests and have to wait on randomly generated quests that you miss if you're not there when they pop).

Idk, the easiest solution would perhaps be a larger range on the map, that a DE is going on.

My feeling is the oposite, some players reaching levels 25/30 in one weekend. For me it seens a bit too fast.

Far from grindy and low exp.

Originally posted by stragen001

Sigh...

Stop trying to play GW2 like WOW. Its not a race to complete an area as quickly as possible and move onto the next one.

The way to play this game is to explore, and experience the dynamic events as they happen around you. Not just goto the heart quests do them and move onto the next heart quest. This BWE I have taken chars from their own staring area into ones that I have already done because I didnt want to ruin it for launch. I took my Charr to the Human starting area and about 50% of the DEs I experienced I didnt see when I played through the Human area as a Human. 

Go explore, look into nooks and crannys and you will find all sorts of stuff. There are loads of DE's off the beaten path and so much contact that isnt marked on the world map. Talk to NPCs. Lots of them actually trigger DE's of point you towards something that is happening on the map that you otherwise wouldnt know about.

QFT and not just because you have mr flibble as your avatar :D

If you treat this like WoW/SWTOR etc, you're playing it wrong. Sadly, I think many people will treat it like that come launch and be discouraged at first until they learn to adjust.

Originally posted by RCP_ut

My feeling is the oposite, some players reaching levels 25/30 in one weekend. For me it seens a bit too fast.

Far from grindy and low exp.

Amen, but I guess you like me played MMOs for a while. :)

I remember the late 90s, leveling took forever back then.

Originally posted by Beowulfsam

 

For 1-15 area that is imo not the best design. Some people have no troubles, some have a alot. I know I sometimes spent literally 30 min running/porting around the map trying to find a DE to do, coz I was 3 levels below my next heart and mobs ate me up in 2 hits. Oh yes, I can do other races starter area but I think I shouldn't go to other starter areas to level....ok, for trait points and exploration I'll go there eventually, but not just to level a noob toon to friggin 15. Ah well or why not, it's not like doing the same DE 3-4 times is exciting new levelling style and teh shit and teh future and what not.

That's your problem. You try too hard. When you start porting around looking for DE's you will miss them. The idea is to do them as they pop. I never actively looked for any events. I just opened a map, checked where I want to go, either to gather more crafting materials or to uncovere unexplored bit of map or grab the vista taunting me and along the way I'd run into one DE after another. 

If you play the game just to get XP and same time refuse to go to other areas you are contradicting yourself. The game offers choices, doesn't hand solutions on a platter however. You want XP fast - > You jump between places, you do full exploration, you jump your butt off to get to all the vistas. You will get plenty of XP that way. You want to play exploring, checking every bit of map, building up your materials stockpile for crafting - you will earn enough XP as well. You want to got o WvWvW you still will earn plenty of XP to move forward at steady pace.