Originally posted by MasterChaosX

Idiot companies like SOE should learn from NCSoft

They know how to do a F2P model

 

they should. nc has the best model of all mmo's so far.

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by teakbois

Originally posted by nukems

 you think they would have learned from EQ2 

They did.

The model works, regardless of how much posters on MMORPG.com complain about it.

The game right now, in the US, has 8 medium pop (400+) servers and 2 high pop (I think 1000+)

To compare, Rift in the US, shortly after its big 1.9 conquest patch, has 5 medium pop servers (also 400+) and 1 high pop server.  This is around 10 pm eastern.  Rift still has more players overall (it has 10 low pop servers and probably a few of those medium servers like Faeblight would be EQ high pop servers), but still the active player bases are comparable.

In addition, EQ2's community is still solid.  

The difference between a game like EQ2 and VG vs a game like L2 or Aion, is the game is good enough to warrant a sub.  The f2p model is designed to get people to play the game without worrying about when their trial limits will cut off their gameplay, and eventually many of these people sub.  

 

 

L2 and Aion are bigger World Wide then Everquest 2 ever was or will ever be. The Free To Play standard has been set by NC Softs and anything less is something I wont even touch. I am just waiting to hear that Blade & Soul and Wild Star will also launch with the Truly Free Model. If Everquest 2 was good enough to warrent a sub then why did even go free to play in the first place? If Vanguard was good enough to have a sub then why has the game been almost dead and  on life support for years? 

 

again, haha. NC has done the best. and its true that anything less now sucks and isnt worth it.

Slight easing of the free to login matrix. Plat limit moved to 3p,chat restriction removed,broker retriction removed,mail restriction removed,equipment moved to uncommon for free loginers.

Why don't they just try a $5.00 sub fee for everything...unlimited access.

I would come back and sub for that amount...I'm guessing a lot would.

Gotta be a better idea than the "F2P" matrix.

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Originally posted by finnmacool1
Slight easing of the free to login matrix. Plat limit moved to 3p,chat restriction removed,broker retriction removed,mail restriction removed,equipment moved to uncommon for free loginers.

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Link here

Originally posted by chagarin

and to think i was looking forward to this. Shame.

same here. its a pass, until they do it right.

Originally posted by japo

Why don't they just try a $5.00 sub fee for everything...unlimited access.

I would come back and sub for that amount...I'm guessing a lot would.

Gotta be a better idea than the "F2P" matrix.

       Yeah a middle ground would be nice....This "free with severe restrictions or 14.99 a month" is too demanding on the players.......I think you're right though taht maybe more of these games should look at a cheaper price per month instead of sticking to the hard and fast 15 dollars....These companies should have learned by now that there is alot of competition out there and many of us are no longer interested in paying 15 dollars a month.

Originally posted by Theocritus

Originally posted by japo

Why don't they just try a $5.00 sub fee for everything...unlimited access.

I would come back and sub for that amount...I'm guessing a lot would.

Gotta be a better idea than the "F2P" matrix.

       Yeah a middle ground would be nice....This "free with severe restrictions or 14.99 a month" is too demanding on the players.......I think you're right though taht maybe more of these games should look at a cheaper price per month instead of sticking to the hard and fast 15 dollars....These companies should have learned by now that there is alot of competition out there and many of us are no longer interested in paying 15 dollars a month.

        Not sure if you've seen that the "severe restrictions" have mostly all been done away with. You can use equipment up to uncommon gear now as a free player. Many of the other restrictions are being removed or lessened considerably as well. Also, if you purchase the game and make an account before F2P launches you can play whatever race/class combo you want at F2P launch with 12 open character slots for around 5 bucks! 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vanguard-Saga-Heroes-PC-/320948311556?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4aba029604#ht_2871wt_967

The object is, to bring in players but not take away from the EQ2 playerbase.. Remember, although they took over this game this is NOT SoE's lovechild like the everquest series is.. If anything this was a rogue attempt at bringing them down a notch due to the WoWification of the everquest franchise through EQ2.

These restrictions, to me, feel like a way to make it "free" but still hold it below their other offerings so that players will kinda "ease" into EQ2 or pay to play vanguard..

They are 2 pretty different games that will attract 2 different types of gamers.. But SoE doesn't see it that way..