Let the game mature a bit....

I'm sure there are plenty of flaws, but complaining about faction balance in Fusang is just a little bit premature. Most player's wont pvp yet because they havnt advanced enough.

Claiming something is broken because of faction imbalance in Fusang, this early in the game is just silly. Faction balance will improve, give it some time.

Originally posted by Wolvards

Originally posted by Gargola

Originally posted by Sorrow

personally I am EXTREMELY pissed off that they did not limit servers to players only having one faction per server, they said they were going to do so MULTIPLE times pre release and imo totally dropped the ball and left the game totally FUBAR by allowing players to have multiple factions on the same server.

 

I kinda wonder if that would constitute breech of contract? They said they were going to do it, I bought the game believing they were going to do it, they did not do it, now one of the key features of the game is worthless...

They never said they were gonna do it, they considered it, but never was announced.  A lot of people assumed it.

I would have liked them to do so, i was avid suggesting that, and i followed that closely.  FC never said they were gonna do it.

 

If they had done it they would have needed more servers than they have now, cuse even if their current server system can handle absurd numbers  of people the French, German and RP communities would demand 3 servers each.

They could ahve gone with one "faction locked" server, which could have been the semi-official PvP server.

 

Fusang is more balanced now than it was the first week, too.  As more people advance more will want to try it's Pvp and it's capped 75 per side max.

Wait, only 75 people can join into fusang per side?

Thats nothing. If one faction is dominating a server with just 75 people they deserve it. Maybe other factions should try to strategize more. That means that Templars have a max 75 and the other servers can't even muster up 20?

umm you cant muster people into pvp if they do not want to be there and on top of that the pvp is subpar to a lot of other games that have it also. Just because there is three faction pvp doesnt mean its good. Fusang is all about Ninja capping and then once you get the tokens leaving . Not sure how anyone can even make excuses for this bad pvp design. 75 people camping your zone loadin outside is enough to make most people quit and go do pve. Dont make sorry excuses for the game its bad and if they keep it how it is its dead soon to watch and see.

Originally posted by cronius77

Originally posted by Wolvards

Originally posted by Gargola

Originally posted by Sorrow

personally I am EXTREMELY pissed off that they did not limit servers to players only having one faction per server, they said they were going to do so MULTIPLE times pre release and imo totally dropped the ball and left the game totally FUBAR by allowing players to have multiple factions on the same server.

 

I kinda wonder if that would constitute breech of contract? They said they were going to do it, I bought the game believing they were going to do it, they did not do it, now one of the key features of the game is worthless...

They never said they were gonna do it, they considered it, but never was announced.  A lot of people assumed it.

I would have liked them to do so, i was avid suggesting that, and i followed that closely.  FC never said they were gonna do it.

 

If they had done it they would have needed more servers than they have now, cuse even if their current server system can handle absurd numbers  of people the French, German and RP communities would demand 3 servers each.

They could ahve gone with one "faction locked" server, which could have been the semi-official PvP server.

 

Fusang is more balanced now than it was the first week, too.  As more people advance more will want to try it's Pvp and it's capped 75 per side max.

Wait, only 75 people can join into fusang per side?

Thats nothing. If one faction is dominating a server with just 75 people they deserve it. Maybe other factions should try to strategize more. That means that Templars have a max 75 and the other servers can't even muster up 20?

umm you cant muster people into pvp if they do not want to be there and on top of that the pvp is subpar to a lot of other games that have it also. Just because there is three faction pvp doesnt mean its good. Fusang is all about Ninja capping and then once you get the tokens leaving . Not sure how anyone can even make excuses for this bad pvp design. 75 people camping your zone loadin outside is enough to make most people quit and go do pve. Dont make sorry excuses for the game its bad and if they keep it how it is its dead soon to watch and see.

There ALWAYS should be added incentives to defend capture points. Same mistake was made in WAR.

Originally posted by cronius77

Originally posted by Wolvards

Originally posted by Gargola

Originally posted by Sorrow

personally I am EXTREMELY pissed off that they did not limit servers to players only having one faction per server, they said they were going to do so MULTIPLE times pre release and imo totally dropped the ball and left the game totally FUBAR by allowing players to have multiple factions on the same server.

 

I kinda wonder if that would constitute breech of contract? They said they were going to do it, I bought the game believing they were going to do it, they did not do it, now one of the key features of the game is worthless...

They never said they were gonna do it, they considered it, but never was announced.  A lot of people assumed it.

I would have liked them to do so, i was avid suggesting that, and i followed that closely.  FC never said they were gonna do it.

 

If they had done it they would have needed more servers than they have now, cuse even if their current server system can handle absurd numbers  of people the French, German and RP communities would demand 3 servers each.

They could ahve gone with one "faction locked" server, which could have been the semi-official PvP server.

 

Fusang is more balanced now than it was the first week, too.  As more people advance more will want to try it's Pvp and it's capped 75 per side max.

Wait, only 75 people can join into fusang per side?

Thats nothing. If one faction is dominating a server with just 75 people they deserve it. Maybe other factions should try to strategize more. That means that Templars have a max 75 and the other servers can't even muster up 20?

umm you cant muster people into pvp if they do not want to be there and on top of that the pvp is subpar to a lot of other games that have it also. Just because there is three faction pvp doesnt mean its good. Fusang is all about Ninja capping and then once you get the tokens leaving . Not sure how anyone can even make excuses for this bad pvp design. 75 people camping your zone loadin outside is enough to make most people quit and go do pve. Dont make sorry excuses for the game its bad and if they keep it how it is its dead soon to watch and see.

Most people at the moment is at best, in ql 6 gear.  They are more interested in advancing the game and story, and the ones that take breaks to go there face the pack leaders that are already "endgame" and running in 10+ ql gear.

That's quite discouraging for a lot of people.  as more people reaches higher QL gear and advancement more poeple joins the war.    That so far i't true, and why the initial complete dominion of mainly Templars is now challenged and in some servers even dissapearing for a more spread result.

Originally posted by Wolvards

 

Wait, only 75 people can join into fusang per side?

Thats nothing. If one faction is dominating a server with just 75 people they deserve it. Maybe other factions should try to strategize more. That means that Templars have a max 75 and the other servers can't even muster up 20?

That's not really a fair statement to make.

Let's say there's 75 Templar, 40 Illuminati and 35 Dragon. Combined, the Illumies and Dragon would be an equal match for the Templar zerg.

BUT, there's no formal alliance mechanic in the game. That means that in a furball fight, my AoE's will take out enemies and allies equally. So the allied factions would have to gimp themselves by not using AoE's, while the zerg can freely spam them. And using AoE's is not "uncommon" in Fusang...

I'd vote for a whole heap more of the sPVP battlegrounds with much smaller player caps. That will reduce the weight of faction buffs derived from Fusang, and will provide far greater opportunity for better quality PVP.

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

 

BUT, there's no formal alliance mechanic in the game. That means that in a furball fight, my AoE's will take out enemies and allies equally. So the allied factions would have to gimp themselves by not using AoE's, while the zerg can freely spam them. And using AoE's is not "uncommon" in Fusang...

 

I'd vote for a whole heap more of the sPVP battlegrounds with much smaller player caps. That will reduce the weight of faction buffs derived from Fusang, and will provide far greater opportunity for better quality PVP.

They should get representatives of each faction on a vent server communicating with one other. This would make it easier to co-ordinate attacks and bring down the Templar horde.

There are a few things that are not "ideal" to put it lightly.

I play Dragon on Grim, and we have, at most around 2 and a half groups (at least, in the last week, that's the most I've seen anytime I go in). Last night whenever I went in there were 6 people (including me) one time, and 3 people (including me) the other. Loomies are at 9999 for the week for it, with Temps at 3k.

The main problem is there's not much you can get done with less than a group. Kill 10 Players  and Capture Anima Well will both take you around 15 minutes, and then you have no reason to be there for another 20-30 minutes.

This results in, at least for Dragons on Grim, people popping in, finishing those quests (or not) and leaving, so we typically don't have enough people to take a facility.

A smaller problem is a lack of individual/participatory rewards for holding a facility. Sure, you save your buff, but I would rather see something given to people actually there defending it.

At the very least, they should have enough (Rewards, Fun, something) in there that an entire play session in there would not go to waste. In my opinion this means more quests in there, with more rewards, that maybe take longer to finish and have a longer cooldown.

Originally posted by SpottyGekko

Originally posted by Wolvards

 

Wait, only 75 people can join into fusang per side?

Thats nothing. If one faction is dominating a server with just 75 people they deserve it. Maybe other factions should try to strategize more. That means that Templars have a max 75 and the other servers can't even muster up 20?

That's not really a fair statement to make.

Let's say there's 75 Templar, 40 Illuminati and 35 Dragon. Combined, the Illumies and Dragon would be an equal match for the Templar zerg.

 

BUT, there's no formal alliance mechanic in the game. That means that in a furball fight, my AoE's will take out enemies and allies equally. So the allied factions would have to gimp themselves by not using AoE's, while the zerg can freely spam them. And using AoE's is not "uncommon" in Fusang...

 

I'd vote for a whole heap more of the sPVP battlegrounds with much smaller player caps. That will reduce the weight of faction buffs derived from Fusang, and will provide far greater opportunity for better quality PVP.

My point though is 75 people is not a lot. When I heard Templars are dominating the server, I pictured in my head what Albion used to do, zergs of 200 people. That's a lot of people. 

I don't know the game, or the maps, so if there isn't choke points I can see where your problem lays. But, if you ever find yourself with 20 people, i'd wager you could wipe a zerg of 70 people while they made a push on a base.

Don't know how much TSW focuses on Trinity, but if some people play it like that, the casters are in back with the healers, while the tanks are getting pounded in the front. Bring 20 people in from behind and kill their dps... Bye bye zerg.

Just saying though, 75  person zerg is not really a large group of people in PvP to me.

Also I won't get into the SPvP vs large maps like Fusang. I hate SPvP, it kills world PvP. Look at War. 

I just think that in a month or two, when people start finding out how to combat zergs while out numbered, that this issue will dissolve. Right now it seems like the two underdogs are twiddling their thumbs, rather than making an effort to try and divide and conquer the zerg.

Originally posted by Keyh

There are a few things that are not "ideal" to put it lightly.

I play Dragon on Grim, and we have, at most around 2 and a half groups (at least, in the last week, that's the most I've seen anytime I go in). Last night whenever I went in there were 6 people (including me) one time, and 3 people (including me) the other. Loomies are at 9999 for the week for it, with Temps at 3k.

 

The main problem is there's not much you can get done with less than a group. Kill 10 Players  and Capture Anima Well will both take you around 15 minutes, and then you have no reason to be there for another 20-30 minutes.

This results in, at least for Dragons on Grim, people popping in, finishing those quests (or not) and leaving, so we typically don't have enough people to take a facility.

 

A smaller problem is a lack of individual/participatory rewards for holding a facility. Sure, you save your buff, but I would rather see something given to people actually there defending it.

 

At the very least, they should have enough (Rewards, Fun, something) in there that an entire play session in there would not go to waste. In my opinion this means more quests in there, with more rewards, that maybe take longer to finish and have a longer cooldown.

So it sounds like people just cap-and-leave? I can see that problem. Also only 6 people? Ouch. 

How big are the maps? Say Dragon is pushing on templars, and the loomies take a obj from dragon, how long would it take dragon zerg to get back over there to lost objective from loomies?

Originally posted by BigRock411

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by 7star

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kyleran

C'mon now, everyone says having 3 faction combat prevents the zerg from prevailing, the other two factions are supposed to team up together to help overcome.

Yeah, I know, the reality of the situation can be quite different.

yeah, what about that?

Or is the idea that 3 factions means more balance a fallacy?

I always suspected as much.

I think it holds true as long as the size between the 3 factions remains relatively near each other, probably so that no single faction gets much larger than 45% or so.

But if one faction gets past the tipping point, say 50 or so it means that both of the other factions combined can do nothing really to stop them, and I think perhaps that Templars have a much higher percentage than that on some servers.

The problem is, the Templars are viewed as the "righteous" faction (not to be mistaken for good) promoting order and seem to appeal more to players than greedy corporate opportunists or far eastern anarchists.

Go figure.

 

 

Yup.

 

And their city, London, is also the hub for banking, so we all have to go there whether we want to or not. 

Do you know, I haven't been to London yet, really should stop by there and check out the banking/stores

Too busy killing zombies you know, they're everywhere!

 

Seriously check out the bank and stop by pangea and get some clothes or something...

 

I really hope youve at least stopped by your headquarters and picked up the sprint animas...you should have enough money from missions to at buy one or two sprint speed boosts.

 

London is actually a very well done city, makes new york look like it was tacked on right before launch...was actually very dissapointed with NY...why choose a crappy warehouse in brooklyn for the illuminati HQ...i mean a high rise in manhatten just makes more sense and looks better...i dont care how realistic that particulair block in brookly is...and ive seen the real photos of someone who went to that exact location...its surprisingly accurate.

Just feel the seoul and london have more...character...stuff...locations to look at...NY feels like a few generic, albeit realistic city blocks with out a whole lot to really explore....i dunno makes the lumies feel...ghetto...broke...not-serious-business...

Funny you should mention that, just found that guy 2 nights ago, actually had the levels and even the cash had I wanted to break myself to purchase the 1st two speed boosts, settled for 1 and will buy the 2nd sometime this weekend.

Now, if could figure out what to do with some of these useless white marks I collect all the time but can't spend anywhere.

Maybe those stores in London you spoke about?

As far as lumies being ghetto, have you seen our secret underground base underneath those shabby city blocks?  We're as high tech as they come I'll have you know.

I think that's done to further the illusion that lumies for the most part of "shadow masters", where as the Templar are much more in your face about the righteousness of their cause.

Originally posted by Kyleran

As far as lumies being ghetto, have you seen our secret underground base underneath those shabby city blocks?  We're as high tech as they come I'll have you know.

I think that's done to further the illusion that lumies for the most part of "shadow masters", where as the Templar are much more in your face about the righteousness of their cause.

 

 Pffft...only thing you lumey legumes got going for yourselves is that doc has some good pychedelics.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by BigRock411

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by 7star

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Kyleran

C'mon now, everyone says having 3 faction combat prevents the zerg from prevailing, the other two factions are supposed to team up together to help overcome.

Yeah, I know, the reality of the situation can be quite different.

yeah, what about that?

Or is the idea that 3 factions means more balance a fallacy?

I always suspected as much.

I think it holds true as long as the size between the 3 factions remains relatively near each other, probably so that no single faction gets much larger than 45% or so.

But if one faction gets past the tipping point, say 50 or so it means that both of the other factions combined can do nothing really to stop them, and I think perhaps that Templars have a much higher percentage than that on some servers.

The problem is, the Templars are viewed as the "righteous" faction (not to be mistaken for good) promoting order and seem to appeal more to players than greedy corporate opportunists or far eastern anarchists.

Go figure.

 

 

Yup.

 

And their city, London, is also the hub for banking, so we all have to go there whether we want to or not. 

Do you know, I haven't been to London yet, really should stop by there and check out the banking/stores

Too busy killing zombies you know, they're everywhere!

 

Seriously check out the bank and stop by pangea and get some clothes or something...

 

I really hope youve at least stopped by your headquarters and picked up the sprint animas...you should have enough money from missions to at buy one or two sprint speed boosts.

 

London is actually a very well done city, makes new york look like it was tacked on right before launch...was actually very dissapointed with NY...why choose a crappy warehouse in brooklyn for the illuminati HQ...i mean a high rise in manhatten just makes more sense and looks better...i dont care how realistic that particulair block in brookly is...and ive seen the real photos of someone who went to that exact location...its surprisingly accurate.

Just feel the seoul and london have more...character...stuff...locations to look at...NY feels like a few generic, albeit realistic city blocks with out a whole lot to really explore....i dunno makes the lumies feel...ghetto...broke...not-serious-business...

Funny you should mention that, just found that guy 2 nights ago, actually had the levels and even the cash had I wanted to break myself to purchase the 1st two speed boosts, settled for 1 and will buy the 2nd sometime this weekend.

Now, if could figure out what to do with some of these useless white marks I collect all the time but can't spend anywhere.

Maybe those stores in London you spoke about?

As far as lumies being ghetto, have you seen our secret underground base underneath those shabby city blocks?  We're as high tech as they come I'll have you know.

I think that's done to further the illusion that lumies for the most part of "shadow masters", where as the Templar are much more in your face about the righteousness of their cause.

 

Theres black and white marks, at your headquarters youll notice NPC selling gear thats probably way outside your leauge, it will cost XX black marks and XXX white marks.

They have cheaper gear for lower QL but nothing really worth buying there since its not purple gear.  So think of those color marks as endgame pvp currency with black being the "dollars" and the white marks being the "cents" more or less...uless i got it backwards.

I think you get the black marks winning the smaller scale pvp matches, havent gotten any, but do have a lot of white from a few fusang attempts.

And i still think that a high rise in mahatten, like some global conglomerates headquarters would be more fitting for the lumies...brooklyn is a dump full of hipsters.

Why are people waiting until QL6-10 before participating?

Ive been keeping these quest on cooldown since the zones opened to me (granted I play casually). Sure 1v1 or 1v2 you may have a tough time surviving but your far from helpless and can still contribute plenty regardless of your gear lvls.

Im only in Q4/5 gear but my dps with my AR/Blaze build seems to get the job done even with the random 1v1 or 1v2 encounters.

There are plenty of low cost AP builds out there that are effective in pvp.