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General Discussion  » THE STATE OF PLAY WITH DIABLO III...NEW WORDS FROM MIKE MORHAIME

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  spikers14

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7/19/12 4:48:46 PM#21
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by Siveria
Originally posted by dave6660

Diablo 3 has been my biggest gaming disappointment in recent memory.

At this point there's nothing they can say or do to get me back.

 

The problem is the entire game as a whole is flawed beyond repair/saving. This is what  happens when you let the producer of world of warcraft take over another games project. Apparently he "disliked how diablo 2 played" so he made diablo 3 bascally a action rpg world of warcraft.. and this was the games biggest fault right there. That and the auction house in a game like d3 was just bullshit in its purest unholy form. Blizz actually nerfed the drops to shit and just recently made them better due to the rmtah coming out, they wanted peopel to horde items to sell in said rmtah to make themselves a ton of cash.

Check out path of exile, its by a small dev team and imo blows diablo 3 out of the water in almost every single way, its what diablo 3 SHOULD have been.

 

Can you provide a link where Blizzard actually said this? Or are you just guessing or heard "some guy on the forum" say so?

Of course its a conspiracy! I mean, its not like you can't use the AH, right? ...can't...stop...buying...gear....no...self...control....help...me...mommy....blizzard...ripped me....off.

Oh, and while I'm at it. Only at mmorpg.com could players claim getting 200+ hours out of a game = bad game.

/endsarcasm

 

Keep the patches comin Blizz...oh yeah, and don't read these forums please.

  Myria

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7/19/12 4:48:53 PM#22
Originally posted by Siveria

The problem is the entire game as a whole is flawed beyond repair/saving.

The official MMORPG.com mantra, said of pretty much every game released.

  Banaghran

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7/19/12 7:13:56 PM#23

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6146724759

Much more entertaining and even informative :)

Flame on!

:)

  SuprGamerX

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Posts: 538

7/19/12 7:19:20 PM#24

  Heh , Diablo 3 is a piece of crap , wasted 60 bucks , what were you expecting out of the WoW team that their main focus is WoW to begin with?  Sorry , I got screwed so shame on me , lesson learned , at least my pre order of Torchlight 2 was before buying D3 so I can rest abit more easy.

 Blizzard doesn't know how to make a Diablo type game , they let the masters of it leave which was Blizzard North back in the day. 

  Anyways , TL2 is releasing in August and GrimDawn in 2013 , so for all that matters , Diablo 3 is already history.   The end , enough about D3 , no matter how they shine it , it will still remain a piece of crap.

  Gruug

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The more you know, the more you know you don't know.

7/19/12 7:23:00 PM#25
Originally posted by Illyssia

Well, folks, as we all know Diablo 3 is Blizzard's big new game for 2012, and it had, let us say, a mixed launch, and the game lacks persistence. So what do the buisness suits who run Blizzard think of it all now.

 

We have this from Mike Morhaime...

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6080663481#1

 

points of interest

 

*he doesn't know, or won't tell, how many people actually still play Diablo 3, but it is a lot less than WoW.

 

*working on a gameplay system that will provide players who have max-level, high-powered characters new goals to strive for as an alternative to the “item hunt.”

 

*patch 1.1 will see PvP

 

So, while Diablo 3 seems to have failed in some areas, Blizz are planning to put the ship on course giving players a reason to play on beyond item hunting.  So, in a few months time we may all have to re-evaluate the game. 

Sorry, but the game doesn't have "legs". It gets boring fast and adding just those things mentioned is not enough to make it worthwhile to play for long. D1 and D2 were fun in there day because they were pretty new to the genre. Now, D3 offers very little.

Let's party like it is 1863!

  laserit

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7/20/12 12:19:48 AM#26
Originally posted by Banaghran

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6146724759

Much more entertaining and even informative :)

Flame on!

:)

Must have been entertaining, the topic has been deleted

Zenimax kicked my dog

  FrodoFragins

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Joined: 4/29/10
Posts: 2771

7/20/12 12:33:52 AM#27
Originally posted by Siveria

Check out path of exile, its by a small dev team and imo blows diablo 3 out of the water in almost every single way, its what diablo 3 SHOULD have been.

POE is not very good.  Horrible animations, skill tree is for passives like +5 str, boring combat, etc.  They have also clung to poor design decisions and haven't acknowledged the biggest problems in their design.

 

 

  Banaghran

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Posts: 872

7/20/12 1:06:35 AM#28
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by Banaghran

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6146724759

Much more entertaining and even informative :)

Flame on!

:)

Must have been entertaining, the topic has been deleted

Had a feeling it would.

http://pastebin.com/SjK4rJMb

Flame on!

:)

  crazynanny

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7/20/12 2:37:13 AM#29

I dunno, I think peeps had just overblown expectations from D3. I mean this is just simple hack and slash game. I got bout 200 hours from it, that's like 4 times more than I got from say Torchlight. I sold otherwise useless(not my class) stuff on RMAH, making my copy free. And I still have a solid game, that will be patched and updated, can't find many single player games like that.

 

AH is just evolved version of trade rooms/trade sites in old D2. Instead spamming chat, entering countless games, fending off scammers and such, there is elegant and simple solution. And yet you don't have to use it. As simple as that. Makes it pain to find right items and progress in inferno difficulty, but the choice is there. No idea why people make such issue about it. Blizz even upped drop rates for best items so you can find them by yourself...

 

Not that it's flawless game, I see quite few glaring issues, but still it a solid hack'n'slash stuff.

 

  Loke666

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7/20/12 2:48:18 AM#30
Originally posted by crazynanny

I dunno, I think peeps had just overblown expectations from D3. I mean this is just simple hack and slash game. I got bout 200 hours from it, that's like 4 times more than I got from say Torchlight. I sold otherwise useless(not my class) stuff on RMAH, making my copy free. And I still have a solid game, that will be patched and updated, can't find many single player games like that.

AH is just evolved version of trade rooms/trade sites in old D2. Instead spamming chat, entering countless games, fending off scammers and such, there is elegant and simple solution. And yet you don't have to use it. As simple as that. Makes it pain to find right items and progress in inferno difficulty, but the choice is there. No idea why people make such issue about it. Blizz even upped drop rates for best items so you can find them by yourself...

Not that it's flawless game, I see quite few glaring issues, but still it a solid hack'n'slash stuff.

Agreed, but I think part of the fault is Blizzards.

They should have focused more on people going down into a huge dungeon and killing stuff and focused less on grinding gear. Getting gear is of course part of the Diablo experience but the earlier games particularly the first) had a lot more focus on actually killing stuff.

I just don´t think most people have the time to spend ages in both Wow and Diablo to to grind all that gear and both games mainly appeal to the same type of players. It would have been wiser to trying to get another type of player instead if they wanted long term play.

On the other hand if they wanted to just max out boxsales they clearly made the right decision.

  Banaghran

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Posts: 872

7/20/12 2:56:05 AM#31
Originally posted by crazynanny 

Not that it's flawless game, I see quite few glaring issues, but still it a solid hack'n'slash stuff.

As has been said before, if the game actually would be hack and slash, and not kite and die, we would have much less to argue about.

The lavish production values which are given by it being a game of a big company can only go so far, at the end of a day you also want to have a fun experience, which it is only for a very specific facet of the playerbase which blizz has decided to focus on in the recent years, players which have no problems "bashing their head against the wall for hours" (from my pov), but would be annoyed by a skill tree or having to, gasp, relevel a character, and i dont mean it in a negative way, different tastes are different.

Flame on!

:)

  User Deleted
7/20/12 2:59:44 AM#32
Originally posted by Psychow
Originally posted by Kinchyle
[mod edit]

 

[mod edit]

I disagree with almost everything you post, Psychow, but this right here is very well done.

 

Cheers.

  User Deleted
7/20/12 3:08:00 AM#33
Originally posted by Banaghran
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by Banaghran

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6146724759

Much more entertaining and even informative :)

Flame on!

:)

Must have been entertaining, the topic has been deleted

Had a feeling it would.

http://pastebin.com/SjK4rJMb

Flame on!

:)

Great read!

  crazynanny

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Posts: 175

7/20/12 3:11:53 AM#34
Originally posted by Loke666

Agreed, but I think part of the fault is Blizzards.

They should have focused more on people going down into a huge dungeon and killing stuff and focused less on grinding gear. Getting gear is of course part of the Diablo experience but the earlier games particularly the first) had a lot more focus on actually killing stuff.

I just don´t think most people have the time to spend ages in both Wow and Diablo to to grind all that gear and both games mainly appeal to the same type of players. It would have been wiser to trying to get another type of player instead if they wanted long term play.

On the other hand if they wanted to just max out boxsales they clearly made the right decision.

Yeah and it's basically all about your expectation from Blizz and pricey box. Had chat with a friend and asked him about Torchlight vs D3. He said - well I bought it at 75% discount on Steam and even though it was obviously inferior game compared to D3, I never expected more for 3€. Guess it's all about overhype, just like with many other games, say Star Wars MMO?

Personally I agree that Blizz dropped ball with poor endgame, game just lacks some random endless dungeon. But then D2 never had such and was exactly about farming gear from Mephicto/Baal runs. Good news is they do acknowledge it and say there will be some changes upcoming. Can't really expect more from boxed game with no monthly fee...

  Anzie

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Posts: 450

7/20/12 3:12:06 AM#35

Diablo 3 was so dissapointing that I had to take vacations to another country to forget about it.



Originally posted by Spathotan
The simplest way to put this, is like this. Buying a used/refurbished 360 is on the same plane as sharing a condom in a gangbang with strangers.

  crazynanny

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7/20/12 3:23:16 AM#36
Originally posted by Banaghran
Originally posted by crazynanny 

Not that it's flawless game, I see quite few glaring issues, but still it a solid hack'n'slash stuff.

As has been said before, if the game actually would be hack and slash, and not kite and die, we would have much less to argue about.

Will disagree with that. Diablo is exactly about finding nice place to kill mobs that fits your current character power or in more simple words gear. All that of course in order to get better gear to go to next place. As long as you don't try to rush into too hard places kite and die just doesn't happen.

I know about it as I did exactly same mistake. Went into Act 2 on inferno with weak character and got only frustrated by being farmed by mobs. Went back to act 1, took it slowly and soon with all gear upgrades I found/bought I was asking myself, woah did I really had all the trouble in act 2? Again same deal with 3rd act. Now with right gear and skill balance I'm simply just having fun killing mobs. I guess it can get boring after a while, but it's hack'n'slash game, they all get boring if you play them too much.

  Banaghran

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7/20/12 5:46:56 AM#37
Originally posted by crazynanny

Will disagree with that. Diablo is exactly about finding nice place to kill mobs that fits your current character power or in more simple words gear. All that of course in order to get better gear to go to next place. As long as you don't try to rush into too hard places kite and die just doesn't happen.

I know about it as I did exactly same mistake. Went into Act 2 on inferno with weak character and got only frustrated by being farmed by mobs. Went back to act 1, took it slowly and soon with all gear upgrades I found/bought I was asking myself, woah did I really had all the trouble in act 2? Again same deal with 3rd act. Now with right gear and skill balance I'm simply just having fun killing mobs. I guess it can get boring after a while, but it's hack'n'slash game, they all get boring if you play them too much.

I see it as a problem, that for some fabled reason WE NEED TO PUNISH THE PLAYER SO HE DOES NOT CHEAPEN HIS WAY TO THE END BOSS, MISSING ALL THE FUN!!!! Feels stupid, and it is. And no amount of history rewriting , diablo being about this and that, hack and slash games means this and that, will change that.

For me the fun "just killing mobs" never came, not even going back, much too often you get into "evade or die 10 times" situations and the excitement of finding items is simply not there. I finally quit at rakanoth, just too annoying for me, teleport oneshot, cutscene, teleport dodge, adds finish me, annoying cutscene, teleport oneshot, ANNOYING CUTSCENE...

Flame on!

:)

  Axehilt

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7/20/12 10:23:08 AM#38
Originally posted by Loke666

Agreed, but I think part of the fault is Blizzards.

They should have focused more on people going down into a huge dungeon and killing stuff and focused less on grinding gear. Getting gear is of course part of the Diablo experience but the earlier games particularly the first) had a lot more focus on actually killing stuff.

I just don´t think most people have the time to spend ages in both Wow and Diablo to to grind all that gear and both games mainly appeal to the same type of players. It would have been wiser to trying to get another type of player instead if they wanted long term play.

On the other hand if they wanted to just max out boxsales they clearly made the right decision.

Eh?  The 'going down into a dungeon' part was great.  Maybe it could've been better with a lot more randomization, but it had enough of the team's focus -- whereas the gear grind, difficulty curve, and AH definitely didn't get enough focus.

I assure you if D3 had actually appealed to me in the same way as WOW, I wouldn't have put it down after a month.  Instead I'd have had a gradually ramping difficulty curve with gradually better gear with much better grouping mechanics which holds my attention for years.

So they really should've focused more on where they made the most mistakes.

 

  coretex666

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7/20/12 10:36:57 AM#39
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by coretex666

I agree that PvP has never been so important in a Diablo game.

I consider the "carrot" to be the problem of the game. Items need more depth than just hunting +x of your primary stat. For me, Diablo II was about items. In Diablo III, the items kind of suck unfortunately.

Gameplay is fine, in my opinion.

Better itemization would help, but wouldn't really solve the AH.

Diablo is a game about rolling your loot dice and hoping you get lucky -- if you roll 1-1000 and get higher than your previous best, you win (an item upgrade!)

The AH lets you buy a "950" roll, which immediately makes 95% of the potential loot drops useless to you and causes you to focus more on selling things for gold than experiencing the excitement of finding your own upgrades (which is great fun when it happens.)

The game's other major problem is that "endgame" didn't really get cleanly organized into tiers, so it's actually enormously time-consuming to farm gear in your current tier to be able to advance to the next tier.  I farmed Act 1 inferno for a huge amount of time compared to how quickly I zipped through the rest of the game, but felt like I made very little progress towards being geared for Act 2/3, at which point I quit.  

I have to agree with that.

The major points for me would be:

1) close auction houses

2) add runes and rune words

3) add more interesting items across all qualities -> not just legendaries!!! (chance on hit, chance on being hit, various procs, skill buffs,...basically items which we know from D2 LoD already)

4) Increase max level to 99 (I understand that this point may be controversial and would harm certain game mechanisms e.g. balanced pvp which they plan to implement, but I would still like to have this "passive reward" for gear grind => "even though I did not get any items today, at least I made 50% of next lvl")

5) Add more item sets, buff them

These are just points I came up with in a hurry. I do not insist all of them are perfect. You may raise valid points that may actually make me change my mind about these. Take it as a suggestion if something

Edit: 6) Let me distribute stat points I guess

Currently playing: L2 Chronicle 4

  zarawer

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7/20/12 10:40:15 AM#40

Game should be called Auction House Tycoon.

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