Originally posted by Worstluck

Originally posted by Melieza

I like how since posting this the game has risen to a 8.78 lol 

It obviously deserves the rating, and I agree with it.  TSW has given us a completely new MMO experience all around.  While there are 'familiar elements' they are presented in a vastly new and far more interesting way.

The other thread that tries to say TSW brings no innovation is laughable.  There is no other MMO where you can get a similar overall experience to the one this game offers.

 

 

Not trying to start an arguement here, but once you experience that new way of questing (which is very similar to single player gameplay in respects to puzzles, etc), and you finish the story, what are you going to do?

 

What is completely new about running instances for purples or doing the same battleground over and over again for tokens to get purple gear?  Yeah I am aware of liar bosses and the supposed monthly content updates, but I am just not seeing how this game has introduced something completely new to the genre.  The missions are great, the story is great, I love it, but at the end of the day it's very similar to a lot of the things we are accustomed to.  Yes you have 500 skills, but it's still tank/healer/dps when it comes to group--the same kind of group dynamic we have had for a while now.

 

Anyways, as far as the topic at hand, I don't think the combat is as bad as people make it out to be.  Maybe I am weird, but I liked it, even the animations never bothered me.  I have issues elsewhere with the game, but combat wasn't one of them. 

We are talking in terms os MMOS, what other MMOS have investigation missions? sabotage misions? stealth and puzzle missions all in one? if i use your logic then no MMO can ever be unique or different because everything has been done before. TSW has lot of different or non standard features which set it apart from other themepark MMOS.

When we talk about unque factor we have to look at the standard and non standard MMO formula. And TSW falls in non standard category. What TSW has brought to the table is a focus on challenge, puzzles and investigation which helps to immerse players in the world completely.

Imho opnion the combat is good enough and thanks to the endless possiblities in the ability wheel it doesn't get boring for me. Still the point is and I guess that is among the reasons for the good rating -  TSW isn't a 90% combat game unless you want to play it that way. This is something you cannot really put into 'features' - the game has a different pacing and feel to it and that's the most refreshing part.

And besides the developers seem to listen to their players, are open enough and not too proud to except critique, join discussions outside of their official forums without the aid of a PR guy and that gets bonus points I guess too.

It's actually a 8.79, about to pass GW2. Op is scared.

*Looks at OP*

*Face_Palm*

I gave TSW an average of 8.6 because simply put, it's the best MMO on the market currently. I doubt it will have much longevity, because its strenghts are in the single player(ish) quest content, which Funcom simply cannot churn out fast enough to keep people subbed all the time.

Still, the best MMO on the market today. Period.

I have never understood how Rift has had such a high rating.  But after thinking about it Rift basically doesn't piss people off and that is half the battle.  People don't rage quit rift, they just get bored and leave.  I suspect TSW is in the same boat but haven't played it yet.  Take a game like SWToR and you have a lot of pissed off disappointed gamers and that would explain the rating disparity.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Admin

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Ambros123

Look at SWTOR's reviews... nough said

Right, this is the website that fired one of their star members because he refused to give SWTOR a 9 or 10 like everyone else on the site.

 What?  How do we fire a member of our website?   Did you mean an employee?  If so that cannot be true because we have the same exact team we have had for the past 18 months.

I did indeed mean employee/writing. Dan 'Tenebrion' Wojciki was removed for giving SWTOR a 6/10. A writer that was "unable to be objective". And was too "derogatory".

 

Why is it so common that people insist the truth is really just a big conspiracy? It's clear that you know that he was fired for not being objective, but you insist it must be because he gave a game a low score.

I don't understand this gripe with combat, how far did all you complainers get? If you present some valid reasoning, then maybe I'll understand.

Once you start getting the skills, you create multiple builds, save the builds, and load them for the situation present. I use the /alias command and can switch out between my 3 major builds really fast. I have a complete aoe one, a normal one, and a single target one. Even when enemies target and come rushing to you, you can switch your build as long as you didn't attack them yet.

You're really not stuck to 7 and 7 at all. You can kill a few mobs, aggro a crowd of 3-5, switch to your aoe build, and waste them.

Originally posted by Odysses

I have never understood how Rift has had such a high rating.  But after thinking about it Rift basically doesn't piss people off and that is half the battle.  People don't rage quit rift, they just get bored and leave.  I suspect TSW is in the same boat but haven't played it yet.  Take a game like SWToR and you have a lot of pissed off disappointed gamers and that would explain the rating disparity.

The irony of this statement, is if you take an objective look at TSW, it's more like SWTOR than not. That, and people have already raged out of this game. Not the majority, but the majority of people didn't rage out of SWTOR either.

SWOTR: 7

TSW: 7.5

imo

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Odysses

I have never understood how Rift has had such a high rating.  But after thinking about it Rift basically doesn't piss people off and that is half the battle.  People don't rage quit rift, they just get bored and leave.  I suspect TSW is in the same boat but haven't played it yet.  Take a game like SWToR and you have a lot of pissed off disappointed gamers and that would explain the rating disparity.

The irony of this statement, is if you take an objective look at TSW, it's more like SWTOR than not. That, and people have already raged out of this game. Not the majority, but the majority of people didn't rage out of SWTOR either.

I cannot imagine an MMO that everyone is satisfied with. There are plenty complaining even about difficulty of TSW and wanting it WoW easy which is plain silly. Of course there are thouse who don't like TSW, also there will be those who'll start bashing GW2 in 2 months.

What comes to SWTOR then I've played both SWTOR and TSW and while I quite enjoyed my 2-3 months in SWTOR unlike many others because I was never hyped about it at first place I think that SWTOR is way inferior to TSW in story/atmosphere, quests and combat too. I actually read and enjoy almost every quest in TSW for the first time in over 10 years playing MMOs. Before that I just clicked "accept" and killed those 10 boars, rats or whatever, saving Middle Earth, Telara or whatever once more. Questing has been total meh until now for me.

Rofl the mods on this site really irritate me.  Threads like this make it through, but even if you just hint at  criticism of GW2 when making a thread, it's insta locked.

Oh well..

It shows money was handed over for favourable reviews just lke TOR  then used as part of the marketing hype to get more people to buy the box or digi download before the game hype dies a death for this dull game and money invested to make it is clawed back off fools who are easily parted with their money by false hype media.

Originally posted by Gorilla
Value 8.75? Really? The score highlights what is wrong with the scoring system rather than how good the game is. From the comments on the thread several people have obviously stuffed the vote as they are enjoying he game. The number of votes (under 400) are hardly a large sample, the haters clearly haven't bothered with this one so grats FC (I guess).

I've been playing multiple hours almost every day since early access and had the most fun time in MMOs since Ultima Online back in the golden days of Europa RP. I still have access to the game until the 8th of August. All this with the box price.

How's that not excellent value?

I think in this day and age, everyone should take reviews (like everything else) with a grain of salt.  Fact is, you'll run into a review or two that you will disagree with.  If you want to challenge a review in a public forum, by all means please do, but just because you don't agree with a rating doesn't make it any more or less valid to other folks, as the many different posts would suggest.  

Heck, I think Gamespot's giving the game Battleship 3.5 out of 10 was quite frankly a travesty--it should've gotten a 1.  But I didn't go onto the forums and actually challenge it.  What would that accomplish? 

Even if I think MMORPG has overrated an MMO or two, at least their reviews are entertaining, and in some cases downright educational!  I think their review of TSW was fairly comprehensive, but I still plan to give TSW a month or two and see what the opinion is then.  

PS:  IMO, I think the next big MMO will be one that finds a way to make combat truly innovative but stays within a strong plot element.  It's only a matter of time.     

Originally posted by IAmMMO

It shows money was handed over for favourable reviews just lke TOR  then used as part of the marketing hype to get more people to buy the box or digi download before the game hype dies a death for this dull game and money invested to make it is clawed back off fools who are easily parted with their money by false hype media.

What are you talking about?

This is about user reviews on this site. You honestly think Funcom has bribed all those who have reviewed the game on this site?

This game has a metacritic critic average score of 71.

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Originally posted by Gravarg

Now I don't get how people rate thier games, I guess they could give everything except gameplay a 10 for this game, and give gameplay a 0, but oh well.  I've noticed there's a sharp drop off in all the other MMOs as well.  Did everyone just give this game a 10 except gameplay, then went and changed thier other ratings on past ratings.  I don't see how you can give an MMO a 8.75 with such a boring combat system.  Combat is one of the primary things you do in an MMO.  Now, I can see giving graphics a 9 or 10, sound a 10, etc. but with combat the way it is (and the animations /puke) there's no way this is an 8.75.   And stop dropping other game's ratings for this one.  Just because you're not playing another game doesn't mean it got any worse...

Well combat might be boring for you and you migth not like the animations...

For me the combat is just as good if not better than any other tab targeted game out there and the animations are fine... and for a themepark mmorpg somthing i usually get bored of really fast the rest of the game is pretty bloody good as well..

For me i think i would be rating it an 8 - 8.5 and for me thats a very high rating for a themepark game.. sure its not perfect, it has a few minor bugs but i have not really been affected by them plus bugs are to be expected in any MMORPG launch and i have yet to be a part of an mmorpg launch without bugs..

Originally posted by Piiritus

Originally posted by aesperus

The irony of this statement, is if you take an objective look at TSW, it's more like SWTOR than not. That, and people have already raged out of this game. Not the majority, but the majority of people didn't rage out of SWTOR either.

I cannot imagine an MMO that everyone is satisfied with. There are plenty complaining even about difficulty of TSW and wanting it WoW easy which is plain silly. Of course there are thouse who don't like TSW, also there will be those who'll start bashing GW2 in 2 months.

What comes to SWTOR then I've played both SWTOR and TSW and while I quite enjoyed my 2-3 months in SWTOR unlike many others because I was never hyped about it at first place I think that SWTOR is way inferior to TSW in story/atmosphere, quests and combat too. I actually read and enjoy almost every quest in TSW for the first time in over 10 years playing MMOs. Before that I just clicked "accept" and killed those 10 boars, rats or whatever, saving Middle Earth, Telara or whatever once more. Questing has been total meh until now for me.

Not arguing that TSW isn't an upgrade in certain aspects. However, both games have a lot of 'kill X' and 'collect X' quests. The majority of quests in TSW are not investigation missions, even though I do enjoy most of those missions a lot. Both games have what should be a painfully obvious emphasis on single-player gameplay, though I'd argue that TSW takes that almost to an extreme, whereas SWTOR had a lot of scattered quests that required grouping.

The story is definitely more enjoyable in TSW, that's for sure. When it comes to combat, SWTOR has higher quality animations & fluidity. The battlegrounds in SWTOR are generally better (as much as i dislike them), even though I like the 3 faction aspect of TSW, the battlegrounds are almost unplayable atm. Even fusang is starting to become a joke, not quite as bad as Illum, but still full of problems.

The funny thing is that SWTOR, despite people love to hate on it, does have some well made features. It also has a lot of glaring flaws. The most peculiar thing, though, is that many of the flaws SWTOR has been criticised for also apply to TSW. However, for some reason, that's being ignored right now.

Originally posted by Gorilla
Value 8.75? Really? The score highlights what is wrong with the scoring system rather than how good the game is. From the comments on the thread several people have obviously stuffed the vote as they are enjoying he game. The number of votes (under 400) are hardly a large sample, the haters clearly haven't bothered with this one so grats FC (I guess).

haters have ripped this game apart just as much as they do with other games.. its what they do..