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OP  7/19/12 6:01:30 PM#1

Enjoy ;)



Old Today , 06:03 PM | #1

I know many won't believe me. but, I work at Bioware. best part for me is coming here to read fans replies. I won't tell you much and I don't care if you believe me. So here is "what's" going on were I work.

If you havent noticed the interviews we had given sometime back had been removed. mainly, the interviews that gave it "away" that we are looking at adding F2P model. we are indeed adding free to play to the game. now the best part for me is anonymity I have that allows me to be open.
We will have mainly have a "fluff" shop for the new direction with F2P. but much of the legacy system will have the option to purchase those "perk's" (the main reason credit cost are high to slow progression until we patch F2P) as well many parts of the game will have new content that requires you purchase are type of "coinage" from the cash shop so you can buy the access to "special" content/quest. now new companions will also be in the shop. but due to us getting down sized and the staff changes a small team is working on these F2P changes.
I don't want anyone to be upset by this. but many of these changes had been in the "planning stages" for many months since the sharp drop in subscribers. many parts of the game will cost money to access. for example you can unlock the new "cathar" race in your legacy. but buying the unlock, it will cost 10$ US

So we are all pretty upset here. we know Daniel and Jimmy many more are next round of layoffs. EA blames us and to some extent they're right to. but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow. Also from what I have heard in the halls, Starwars Galaxies was shut down due to the fact are talks with LA,EA suits ecouraged the new guy at LA to increase the licensing fee at renewal time. it was a move to remove any direct competiton to TOR.

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7/19/12 6:04:03 PM#2

Yeah not saying SWTOR will never go F2P but  these fake 'i work at BW so i know everything' nonsense gotto stop.


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7/19/12 6:06:03 PM#3
Ea don't do f2p, daoc and uo still have a sub.

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7/19/12 6:07:13 PM#4

isn't the grammar too bad?  It reminds me of those. . Ur account is froz. . log in to save it or kittenz die.  At least I don't think he was in any inner circle.


So we are all pretty upset here. we know Daniel and Jimmy many more are next round of layoffs.

We will have mainly have a "fluff" shop

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7/19/12 6:08:17 PM#5


"Our conclusion was we had a great product in Star Wars, but that the subscription model in the world of free-to-play was challenging," he said.


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7/19/12 6:09:43 PM#6

If the OP is honest, time will tell, but BW has gone on record that is is looking into a F2P model.  It would be logical and could balance some parts of the game by doing so.


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7/19/12 6:10:01 PM#7
Originally posted by ShakyMo
Ea don't do f2p, daoc and uo still have a sub.



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7/19/12 6:14:55 PM#8

Out of all the BS I've read over the years about many games...some true most not, for some odd reason I buy this....yeah I'm crazy I know. xD Oh well I guess we all can not say we never saw this coming if it does happen eh?

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7/19/12 6:18:58 PM#9

I feel I have directed my venom in much more unique and deserving directions than most of my fellow posters here and one sect is "the anonymous source".  Whistle blowers who are exposing things that are ethically or legally questionnable fine but I'm through with stuff like this.

It also doesn't help that this guy can't spell or use the correct words/spellings to save his life, maybe English isn't his first language but that's more his problem than mine as far as me not believing a word he says.

I've been around this industry long enough to say that there are indeed some points in this post that may have validity, maybe EA and LA did conspire to push SWG out the door, so what? that's been out there forever and until some representative of one of those two companies says so with his name attached to it what does this really mean?

There have been too many rumors to assume that there is no way SWTOR won't go free to play if things haven't or don't turn around but again until someone who actually can put their name to it does what does it really mean?

I'd say there is a fifty fifty chance they go free to play and much less a chance LA,EA, or BW ever admit that SWG was forced out so this post really isn't worth the kb used to make it.

But the ocurance with the longest odds would have to be anyone taking this post seriously.


Didn't EA Louses post also start out with some "I work there and I don't care if you believe me" stuff as well?


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7/19/12 6:18:58 PM#10

Yeah..... I work at Arenanet and they are planning to introduce a sub 2 months after launch.....

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7/19/12 6:23:42 PM#11

Unless the person works as a janitor, I have to say it's a fake.  I've never seen a professional in any field write so poorly with the possible exceptions of English as a second language or typing a long post on a phone.


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7/19/12 6:26:07 PM#12

An obvious fake.


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7/19/12 6:32:51 PM#13

EAlouse 2.0

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow" 

Fuck that. They had selective hearing on this one, and even still failed ot make it like KOTOR.


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7/19/12 6:35:16 PM#14

I believed it up until the part about expecting that any sane person would pay real-world money for the Legacy unlocks.  Most people won't pay in-game money for the Legacy unlocks, let alone actual cold cash.  What I'm saying is...Legacy is such a joke...

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7/19/12 6:50:06 PM#15

I'm not going to judge him either way yet. Everyone called EALouse a liar and so far he was pretty much spot on. I'm certainly not going to dock him over grammar. I've been speaking English my whole life and haven't got it down yet. How dare I cast the 1st stone? For one who's to say he's not intentionally typing out of character because if EA finds out who he is then it's a for sure bet he's fired and fired in a way he can't get benefits. Meh, who knows?

One thing to me is he may be making some grammatical errors but he pretty well nails coming across as sincere. Hard for a troll to do that more times than not.

Anyways, only time will tell how true he is or not. I know better than the crow I'll eat if I get caught on the wrong side if he does turn out to be right.


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7/19/12 7:59:59 PM#16
The thing is there is a similar post on the official forums, almost 11 pages long in responses, and it has not been locked yet. Usually if it is a 100% false/troll post doesn't BioWare usually shut those types of posts down? I'm surprised they have not closed this one yet. I could understand maybe Sunday, but it is still a work day.


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7/19/12 8:20:16 PM#17
Forgot to add this. When he says: Daniel and Jimmy does he mean... Daniel Erickson and James Ohlen? I can see how the Legacy system can easily go to the cash shop since the price for most of them seem so high. But the majority of them aren't that good to begin with right?
I really don't like the sound of paying for special content/areas/quest to eventually obtain items from those "extras." I do believe that the F2P model was planned way ahead of time. A good portion of companies do that (or will in the very near future). The Secret World can easily be converted, so can TERA. Even with FFXIV, Yoshida stated on 2 separate questions that he was "very interested" in the F2P model. But if you make everything tied to the cash shop, won't that drive people away?
I do believe the comment about them shutting down SWG: because of it being a direct competition. But I don't think it is the only reason. Just a piece of the puzzle that may potentially never see the light of day of it being solved..
The only thing that doesn't seem to fit is "encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow." Wasn't almost the entire game a copy from WOW? Wasn't there an obvious disconnect from the folks on top to the rest of the crew? I'm not sure about this.
One last thing, if it is true that Daniel and James are next, does that pretty much include everyone that was at the top of the totem pole in the project? Or at the very least the most visible figures of the project? I mean the only other person that was “out there” was… that guy with the European sounding name.


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7/19/12 8:26:03 PM#18

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow."

That line annoyed me... either a huge majority of beta testers were saying the exact opposite things that I was saying, or the above is just bs...

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7/19/12 8:33:32 PM#19
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor
The only thing that doesn't seem to fit is "encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow." Wasn't almost the entire game a copy from WOW?

No.  In fact, had they not fucked up the WoW model and instead made it an exact clone, it might have done better.  Bioware's problem isn't that they made a WoW clone, despite what the butt-hurt SWG sandboxers will tell you.  Bioware's problem is that they made a shitty WoW clone, filled with too much instancing to enhance their storylines, a closed-off, dull, linear world design, poor endgame content, and many missing quality-of-life features that are standard with MMOs.  

This game would have been just fine as a WoW clone.  Unfortunately, they boxed themselves in with their own story and constructed their entire game as nothing more than a linear vehicle in which to convey that story.  


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7/19/12 8:40:45 PM#20
Originally posted by DeaconX

"but it was fan feedback from the day we opened the forums that encouraged us to design it for the fans the way it is and that included making it more like Kotor then an MMO like Wow."

That line annoyed me... either a huge majority of beta testers were saying the exact opposite things that I was saying, or the above is just bs...

Not necessarily, everyone was screaming KOTOR3 and Bioware was set on a MMO so going by the end product we got KOTOR 3 and WOW both. Well sorta, they just screwed up how to do it. Once a game goes into testing, all the foundations are set. All the complaints from testers were mute not only from arragance from the overlords but also because by then it was too late to build a new game. They were stuck on the core of the game but that's still no excuse my many other things didn't get done.

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