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Zorgo
Elite Member
Joined: 12/05/05
Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising? |
7/19/12 11:25:49 AM#281
This is always a memorable moment. This is the first post I've seen for this game of someone within a month of release to decry a lack of content. I'm sure the deluge to follow. I'm going to give all of you a hint who like to power game. Don't buy an mmo until it is 4 or 5 years old or wait for the day when you see a game that actually spent an extra 4 or 5 years of development, on top of the initial 4 or 5 years specifically to add content before release. Which, won't happen, I'm here to tell you. Any game you could name will have threads in the first month about the lack of content. Necro some if you want. You can't prove me wrong. NO MMO EVER HAS released with any more than 1 years worth of content for casual gamers and no more than 3 months of content for power gamers. EVER. Not because they are lazy, because it is simply not within the realm of feasibility to do so. For more reasons than you could imagine or even understand. Get used to it, get over it, slow down your power gaming or gain some patience and wait a few years so that the game has enough content to suit your needs. You will never ever find an acceptable amount of content on release if you are a power gamer. EVER. Period. /thread
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7/19/12 12:08:28 PM#282
People who are "finished" with the game already...fell free to post your chronical links so we can admire your completion of all the games content.
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7/19/12 1:35:42 PM#283
Originally posted by Zorgo Actually it's a way of bragging without actually coming out and saying...omg I'm so uber I played non stop and one of the first to complete everything. Many treat MMOs like a race because they want the self-gratification of being one of the first to finish something. Many get into CB well before launch, take notes and follow a system of completion knowing the best quests/missions to take and the best exploits to gain the most amount of EXP. I'll point to a few examples. Diablo 3, SWTOR, Rift, Cataclysm for WoW - but honestly the last few years this has always been the case with any game that doesn't have a rediculous grind attached to them. Oh and EQ longevity? Yeah it's called major grind. Back then that was acceptable and players had to kill things to get high enough to complete new content with new quests. It's not acceptable now. That's why you have people able to burn through content now. Plus the internet and all its hints and guides also written by Beta players help too.
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7/19/12 1:38:02 PM#284
Originally posted by BigRock411 They'll just link to some random in the top 100. |
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kasta
Advanced Member
Joined: 5/30/03
Never try to teach a pig to sing,it wastes your time and annoys the pig. |
7/19/12 1:41:40 PM#285
I think it's a good game but I'm nowhere near ready to call it too short. Barely into Egypt. |
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7/19/12 1:46:42 PM#286
Originally posted by Halorin So because he chooses not to sit through UN-interactive cutscenes, his review is flawed? Yet one could not watch the cutscenes and still get the context of the story via the quest tiers where you actually interact with the story. Yet you harp on him for not doing the part that just requires watching. Okay.....if he was griping about the story, then you would have a case. He wasn't. You don't. Next. |
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7/19/12 1:49:22 PM#287
Fun while it lasted. Best quest content I've ever experienced. Played each mission at least once, have repeated the final three zones three times now...It's just becomming boring as fuck. http://chronicle.thesecretworld.com/character/Zouce
Great story, but once you are "on vacation" good luck staying interested. |
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7/19/12 1:51:34 PM#288
Too Short is one of my favorite rappers. Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1. |
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7/19/12 1:58:26 PM#289
Originally posted by Zooce Well said and right on target. Thank you for linking your chronicle as well. Game could have been phenomenal but isn't worth a monthly sub right now. It's too SMALL. Rift has the same problem as an example of another game that has vast potential but is so small it's pointless to play for any type of longevity. . Right now. MMOs need to be built with longevity in mind and not promises of more content to keep me paying(although this should be a given, it's what MMOs do, if they are smart). You need a good track record first, IMHO. Funcom does not have that. Neither do many other companies, especially YOU, Blizzard. Charging people a monthly fee when the last content update was over a year ago or more. So sad. Trion is the ONLY company to have NOW proven they can add content on a consistent and rapid basis, yet the game is still small and I still lack things to do. TSW seems to have followed the same build idea. Wonder if they can keep up with the monthly content updates they plan and how much they will expand the game. I'm not opposed to trying it out again in 6 months to a year to see how it's grown, that's for sure. The game has potential. But then, SWG was always touted as having massive potential and they wasted that endeavour. |
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7/19/12 2:04:57 PM#290
I've been playing every night about 5-6 horus a night since release, but that is due to the guide writing and stuff we're doing at http://www.unfair.co
We've just finished the main story completely last night, and still have the last zone and a half of Transylvania worth of missions to do. I've done virtually no PvP yet, only one Elite Dungeon Run, as said above, still have a ton of missions to complete. I've got about 5 days played time total on my character.
I'd say all things considered, there's quite a bit of content to be had here. And if they release any amount of content on a monthly basis, it will keep things going for some time.
Based on the site stats we record, it seems the mass majority of players are just entering Egypt. So based on that, and new content supposedly coming monthly, the average player will never run out of things to do. Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/tsw-guides/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff.... |
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7/19/12 2:20:36 PM#291
Originally posted by Sigurd57 You are right, majority of players who are not power gamers have just started to trickle in to Egypt. Trans is very quite in comparison. There are players around but not that many. So yes FC have no need to freak out because some people who can spend 10 hours a day in front of pc are done with quests and main storyline. I love your website by the way, helped me many times when i was stuck ona mission. |
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7/19/12 2:29:41 PM#292
Originally posted by heartless However it took WoW 8 to have all this content. Give any MMO 8 years after release and you will have enough content in that particular MMO to last you a long time. Example.. STO came out 2 years ago and has more enough content to even keep a F2P player busy as well as AoC. |
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7/19/12 2:30:35 PM#293
You people who have "finished" TSW have played WAY too many MMOs and won't EVER be content. I beta tested TSW and am a current sub. I have never see the end...why? Because I don't eat through an MMO like it was candy. WTF is wrong with you people? You aren't supposed to devour a game. Quit playing if you go through content this fast....friggin eh! |
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7/19/12 2:40:40 PM#294
Originally posted by elocke Sorry, but tell me about an MMO that is able to sustain powergamers who play 10-16 hours a day in front of a PC for longer than the first month? Some extreme Asian grinders aside. Which I can't call exactly fun, having to mindlessly kill a million mobs to advance one level. /shrug You simply CANNOT design a fun and lasting game for these type of gamers. Not even a well designed sandbox can keep these people entertained for long. Period! Like many people already mentioned, the vast majority of people are still playing on Solomon's Island and now barely started trickling into Egypt. Those are the main audience and they have plenty of content to go still for months to come. |
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7/19/12 2:50:06 PM#295
Originally posted by JeroKane Why are you assuming that this player and myself are power gamers who play for 10-16 hours a day? I've played maybe 4 hours a day on average and for 2 weeks have hit transylvania. 1 more week and I would have completed the rest of Transylvania and the main story quest. Leaving the only thing left to do is to repeat content. Even Rift kept me for at least 2 months and that's a small game. I also remember WoW at launch keeping me with 1 character for 3 months to cap. Then I was able to make 2 alts and have completely different leveling experiences with them, the only repeat content being pvp and dungeons. I still remember being amazed at finding new content out in the world in WoW up and through BC. These games can and have launched with enough content to keep people quite happy for enough months to pop out more content. |
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7/19/12 2:57:47 PM#296
Originally posted by elocke Doesn't change the fact and what others have been saying that majority of players are still on solomon island or have started to enter Egypt . I entered Trans 2 days back and zone is dead compared to Egypt and solomon island. So for those who can spend 4 hours or more daily maybe the content isn't enough but i bet a lot of players would take few more weeks till they finish trans, lairs, dungeons on elite and nightmare difficulties. WOW when launched didn't have that much content as you are trying to show. Only difference is that games like EQ and WOW artficially slowed down the leveling. Doesn't mean it had lot of content. I played WOW at launch and at times leveling used to feel like a huge grind. I am glad devs don't use artifical means to slow down preogression anymore. The next victim of content locusts is going to be GW2. Forums are goign to explode with same topics from power gamers. |
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7/19/12 3:00:19 PM#297
You might not be a power gamer on the level to those that have done it all, but still... most people is barely starting Egypt.
Games are designed for the majority of people, otherwise they are not actually cost effective.
For the majority of MMO players (no most of us posting here don't really represent the majority of actual players) yes, you are a "power gamer" as you breeze thru games more than twice as fast as they do. |
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7/19/12 3:07:23 PM#298
Originally posted by elocke 28 hours a week on a single game is a lot and quite above average. It's not hardcore yet sure.... but it's still a lot. I am talking about those people that have maxed out everything already within 3 weeks. They have played at least 10 hours a day straight! Period. How many AP have you spend? How many SP have you spend? How many builds have you tried? And these powergamers claiming they have done everything. I am pretty sure they haven't geared up through nightmare mode yet. Nor have I seen a single zone boss being unlocked yet. Yet alone a region boss or even a world boss. Who is suppose to drop the best stuff available ingame. The above IS Endgame! And it will keep you occupied for quite some time to master it, unlock it, collect it, etc, etc. And saying it's repeating content..... well hello! Is that any different than other MMO's like WoW, EQ2, Rift, LOTRO, etc?? Nope..... welcome to MMO's. |
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7/19/12 3:08:27 PM#299
Originally posted by lifeordinary Yes, WoW DID have that much content. I could roll a night elf, take him to level cap via Kalimdor quests. Done. I could then roll a Human. Take him to level cap via Eastern Kingdom quests. Done. Then I could do 2 races on the horde side, completely different experience. On the 3 or 4th character there started to be some overlap but it was diverse and fast enough and by that time new content was in the game. This was vanilla WoW. I disagree about GW2 for a few reasons. One, it's awesome and has kept me interested even over 3 months of beta weekends, never had a game keep me excited while playing beta. Two, no monthly sub and therefore I'm not feeling robbed if I, for some reason, end up with no content to keep me occupied. Third, the replayability is very high as each race has their own starting area, content scales to level, and there is no kill stealing or ninja looting. Finally, to your first point. Ok, so CASUAL players are still on Solomon or just now entering Egypt. Great, good for them. Game seems to be built for the ultra casual player. Glad they have one to play. A good MMO caters to both hardcore gamers and casual. Or at least semi hardcore, which I would put myself in. Again, I don't hate this game, it's not a horrible game, it's just too small and too short. I'm coming from many games, my tops being FFXI, WoW, Lotro, SWG and I never had those game lose me due to lack of content or world size in less than a months time. It's definitely an issue with TSW whether it's an issue for casual players or not, it doesn't make it any less real. |
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7/19/12 3:12:30 PM#300
Originally posted by JeroKane I never repeated WoW content until my 4th character and/or endgame. What you mention as endgame is endgame for some player types. For example Raiders. They have quite a few games to give them what they want. I'm not one of them, therefore a Raiding endgame isn't an endgame to me. So, world bosses, that isn't an endgame mechanic I would ever do, hence not endgame for me. But you miss the point. I'm not picking apart what it does have, but what it doesn't have and should have. Game is too small, it's not a hard concept to understand here, folks. |
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