Originally posted by Corehaven

Well Im happy enough to be in.  I'm going in with the attitude that there WILL BE things I dont like.  Period.  If I dont find any then I must have missed something.  All I care about is if the good out weighs the negative.  That's what Im expecting at least. 

 

However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

Seriously, those last BWE 1&2 was boring for me... Not even single QQer or troll in zone chat. Everyone was happy and exicted while playing. I hope that will change, as OP stated, in this BWE. I'll play Sylvari but not to much (don't want to too much spoils before release) and I hope there will "those", u know. I'll wait for them, I'll not turn off zone chat. :)

GW forum lives its own life

A neverending fight just never ends

A threat that actually says "prepare yourself, QQstorm is comming"

Take a look at forums of other games from the "most hyped" ladder. Of course there are disputes and disagreement, but here it gets personal...

I was going to say something about the OWPvP, but I rather wont. Dont want my car to blow up next time I start the engine

Originally posted by xalvi

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

I'm curious if this hatred is a result of them getting in for free, while you had to pay $60. Do you feel you're entitled to be the only people to 'beta test' the game because you paid for it? If so, doesn't that speak pretty negatively toward the idea of having a purchaseable beta test?

Originally posted by xalvi

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/TemperHoof/072012/23486_Guild-Wars-2-Redefines-Open-World-PVP

actually there are pages upon pages within this forum of people doing nothing but arguing with that.  this is no doubt why the OP includes that argument within his list.  it is a much less cut and dry subject than you apparently realize.  i know i had not entertained the notion until i read that article.  

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by xalvi

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

I'm curious if this hatred is a result of them getting in for free, while you had to pay $60. Do you feel you're entitled to be the only people to 'beta test' the game because you paid for it? If so, doesn't that speak pretty negatively toward the idea of having a purchaseable beta test?

No one bought a beta test - we bought the game and got some perks.

Honestly, why is it such a big deal?

If people get into the beta and honestly don't care for the game, let them voice their opinions.  If they like it all the more power to them.  I don't see why people need to get so defensive about this game. 

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

Well the points you bring up are valid...

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store   -   Any item that can be purchased that influences the game, advancement rate or power of your character is fundementally Pay to Win.  You Pay money to be more powerful than those that don't Pay money...

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay -  Game play that involves any form of tab target directed abilties isn't true action gameplay in the traditional FPS sense.

• No endgame  - Can't comment until launch when people hit max level...

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP  -   Open World PvP was designed and implemented many years before GW2, and it has some core design elements that are not true in GW2.  WvWvW which looks cool is an instanced PvP area of a couple zones that have a  limit on the total number of players.   So in reality it is a fancy Battleground that is bigger than previous MMOsbut much smaller than old school Open World PvP servers.

 

If you are ok with the limitations then enjoy GW2, if not then bitch about it and maybe the DEVs will hear you and change things.

 

If GW2 tries to distance itself from the points above and claim they don't apply then they are being deceptive and deserve to be called out for it.

Originally posted by altas

Seriously, those last BWE 1&2 was boring for me... Not even single QQer or troll in zone chat. Everyone was happy and exicted while playing. I hope that will change, as OP stated, in this BWE. I'll play Sylvari but not to much (don't want to too much spoils before release) and I hope there will "those", u know. I'll wait for them, I'll not turn off zone chat. :)

Oh no, a game where people appeared to be enjoying themselves and the product that many of them purchased.

The horror.

Seriously, why would anyone want to experience people trolling GW2 in the BWE?

Does it somehow vindicate a person who doesn't like the game?

Does it somehow make the gameplay worse?

Does it somehow make other games that you like better?

Or are people so petty that they will be logging in to GW2 looking for trolls to quickly run to the forums and say things like "See, people aren't enjoying themselves in game ergo GW2 is awful." Anyone who has been around for the past several BWEs knows exactly what is going to happen on these forums starting Friday.

easy answer to most talk about GW2.

to the haters, the game will be better than you say it will be.

to the fans, this game will not be the second coming.

to the rest of us realists, see ya when it opens up on te 28th.

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay (read: button mashing)

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP (read: spawncamp gankfests)

It's funny b/c these are 3 of the biggest reasons I'm enjoying it so much...

And the Pay-to-Win thing people like saying, is one of those things people just repeat like a catch phrase just to feel like they're part of hip majority without even understanding it.  The truth is,  when it comes to Microtransactions in 90% of all games (esp Korean ones)...

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS P 2 W.

...the correct label is:    Pay to NOT SUFFER.

And it's almost entirely based on how most of the "grindier" aspects in the game link together.  And in ANY game with some kind of lasting stamina or metagame, there has to be be things that take a while to achieve, even when they're purely skill based things.   For instance:

• perfectly timed Castling in chess.
• Mastering the Scout in Counterstrike as opposed to AWP whoring. 
• Knowing what bar an opponent is runing in Guildwars by watching their first 2 attacks.
• consistently winning ladder matches in Starcraft with Tech'ing + Micro domination
• Graduating from spending all your time in LoL to spending all your time in Dota2 or RL.
• Having enough Blue-Plates (midair-kills) in Tribes to make a Montage/Frag video.

...in some cases, the tools (& gaming rigs) to practice these kinds of things are granted earlier to people who payed more up front.  Or in other cases  (like with TF2 hats), if you want the most unique ones, you actually have to pay real money for them or have a huge in-game econmic advantage already.  If you don't already have it and you're playing catch-up, then it's going to feel a bit like suffering.  

This WILL be the case in GW2.  Infact the entire economy will be based on it.  There will be things that can only be gained with serious amounts of skill, or serious amounts of catching-up to people who played the game every day.   ....we already saw instances of this with HOM'd accounts being sold(illegally) online for triple digits.  The difference is that in GW2, there aren't as many "grindy" mechanics and there's a LOT more alternative ways to get things (including getting "better at the game")  without "suffering" for them.

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

Well the points you bring up are valid...

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store   -   Any item that can be purchased that influences the game, advancement rate or power of your character is fundementally Pay to Win.  You Pay money to be more powerful than those that don't Pay money...

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay -  Game play that involves any form of tab target directed abilties isn't true action gameplay in the traditional FPS sense.

• No endgame  - Can't comment until launch when people hit max level...

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP  -   Open World PvP was designed and implemented many years before GW2, and it has some core design elements that are not true in GW2.  WvWvW which looks cool is an instanced PvP area of a couple zones that have a  limit on the total number of players.   So in reality it is a fancy Battleground that is bigger than previous MMOsbut much smaller than old school Open World PvP servers.

 

If you are ok with the limitations then enjoy GW2, if not then bitch about it and maybe the DEVs will hear you and change things.

 

If GW2 tries to distance itself from the points above and claim they don't apply then they are being deceptive and deserve to be called out for it.

 

 are you saying  Devil may cry  and God of War arent action games? looool. always like someone say because one game have tab target isnt a action game, Tera dont have it and DMC and GoW are much better action games, well GoW series is in fact on of best action games and if i remember have tab target system. DMC have for sure, GoW im pretty sure have too

so in your opinion any MMO is P2W since you can pay a friend to play with your account for some hours you couldnt play?

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by Garvon3

So you're saying that those who didn't pay 60 dollars to bug test the game (most of the human race) arent allowed to criticize the game? The only people stable enough to judge GW2 are those who ponied up 60 bucks based on marketing hype?

Well, I guess if one goes to the front page, to the topic of the 5 fastest to uninstal MMOs, I guess there might be some that fall for the hype.

I, on the other hand, bought this game knowing exactly what I was getting into - the next step of Anet on removing the idiocies of the MMORPG genre.

There are still a few left, but another big chunk was removed, and this time with a Persistent World.

A persistent world except for all the instances...

And no, you didn't buy the game "knowing exactly what you were getting into". You payed for the beta of a game based on what marketing people told you. Marketing can, and often does, outright lie. Remember all the stuff that was supposed to be in Age of Conan?

GW2 appears to have been more honest than most, but that doesn't change the fact that people bought in based on marketing. We know they're honest only AFTEr the fact.

Not completely true as Anet provided relatively detailed information about all things in game as development progressed, backed up by in game footage and that for quite some time. There's also been playable demos on gameshows since gamescom 2010 (where I attended and spent almost 2 full days at their boothe and last year 3 full days) so a lot of folks actually already had time with the game and some (me included) talked to some developers directly because they were out there on the showfloor as much as they could, face to face it becomes even more clear how honest they are, I'm sure they weren't all sent to acting classes specifically for gameshows as their expertise is elsewhere...

It's easy to throw around terms like marketing and hype but it's better to do research where it all originated from, how it was provided and backed up with which "evidence" etc. before dismissing at as just marketing talk like other game companies provide with their fancy CGI trailers and empty promises that aren't backed up by detail nor in-game footage.

Originally posted by grimal

Honestly, why is it such a big deal?

If people get into the beta and honestly don't care for the game, let them voice their opinions.  If they like it all the more power to them.  I don't see why people need to get so defensive about this game. 

People are quick to point overhype, but there also has been over BS from people that don't have the least idea about the game.

There is a difference between not caring about a game (I didn't give a damn about SWTOR, looked to me as WoW in space, but that didn't make me go talk crap in SWTOR forums) and getting out the way to bash a game based on nothing.

There is a difference between pointing problems with the game, like talking about the fact there were no chat bubbles or the camera didn't zoom far enough (both sorted since) and  spew generalizatioins and opinions that mean nothing other than maybe it is not their gamestyle.

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

 

EDIT: Just want to precise I've been playing through BWE 1 & 2 and leveled to 27, tried both WvWvW and the gameplay ;)

Most of that qq come from people who already bought the game. 

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by xalvi

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

I'm curious if this hatred is a result of them getting in for free, while you had to pay $60. Do you feel you're entitled to be the only people to 'beta test' the game because you paid for it? If so, doesn't that speak pretty negatively toward the idea of having a purchaseable beta test?

No one bought a beta test - we bought the game and got some perks.

 

What do mean? You paid money for the game that included guaranteed beta access. How is that not paying for beta access?

You can call it a perk, but it's still a paid for perk.

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by xalvi

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

I'm curious if this hatred is a result of them getting in for free, while you had to pay $60. Do you feel you're entitled to be the only people to 'beta test' the game because you paid for it? If so, doesn't that speak pretty negatively toward the idea of having a purchaseable beta test?

No one bought a beta test - we bought the game and got some perks.

 

What do mean? You paid money for the game that included guaranteed beta access. How is that not paying for beta access?

You can call it a perk, but it's still a paid for perk.

I would buy the game anyway.

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by xalvi

Ya agreed, i hate it how they gave out all those beta keys for BWE3. The only valid point those QQers can say is that there is no open world pvp, which they have a point and we can't really argue with that. Open world pvp is the best endgame.

Other than that those qqers have nothing on GW2.

I'm curious if this hatred is a result of them getting in for free, while you had to pay $60. Do you feel you're entitled to be the only people to 'beta test' the game because you paid for it? If so, doesn't that speak pretty negatively toward the idea of having a purchaseable beta test?

No one bought a beta test - we bought the game and got some perks.

 

What do mean? You paid money for the game that included guaranteed beta access. How is that not paying for beta access?

You can call it a perk, but it's still a paid for perk.

so i paid for beta and the game is just a bonus? what is diference pay a game 3 months before or after?