Please bring your qqeth to WvW so I may basheth your head in.

So you're saying that those who didn't pay 60 dollars to bug test the game (most of the human race) arent allowed to criticize the game? The only people stable enough to judge GW2 are those who ponied up 60 bucks based on marketing hype?

Originally posted by Garvon3

So you're saying that those who didn't pay 60 dollars to bug test the game (most of the human race) arent allowed to criticize the game? The only people stable enough to judge GW2 are those who ponied up 60 bucks based on marketing hype?

Well, I guess if one goes to the front page, to the topic of the 5 fastest to uninstal MMOs, I guess there might be some that fall for the hype.

I, on the other hand, bought this game knowing exactly what I was getting into - the next step of Anet on removing the idiocies of the MMORPG genre.

There are still a few left, but another big chunk was removed, and this time with a Persistent World.

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by Garvon3

So you're saying that those who didn't pay 60 dollars to bug test the game (most of the human race) arent allowed to criticize the game? The only people stable enough to judge GW2 are those who ponied up 60 bucks based on marketing hype?

Well, I guess if one goes to the front page, to the topic of the 5 fastest to uninstal MMOs, I guess there might be some that fall for the hype.

I, on the other hand, bought this game knowing exactly what I was getting into - the next step of Anet on removing the idiocies of the MMORPG genre.

There are still a few left, but another big chunk was removed, and this time with a Persistent World.

A persistent world except for all the instances...

And no, you didn't buy the game "knowing exactly what you were getting into". You payed for the beta of a game based on what marketing people told you. Marketing can, and often does, outright lie. Remember all the stuff that was supposed to be in Age of Conan?

GW2 appears to have been more honest than most, but that doesn't change the fact that people bought in based on marketing. We know they're honest only AFTEr the fact.

Originally posted by Aque

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LOL,

That would be more like pay to level faster,

P2W consists of items that are over powered, and paid for cash-

What you said does not consist of anything to do with p2w.

A good example would be: Selling gear out of the store that would be considered more powerful then most found PVE gear.

NOTE: in PVP everyone gets the same level and gear right? So no, there is no P2W.

(If I am wrong please correct me)

If you have been following the game you would know GREEN Gear has same stats as all the other gear tiers above try looking it up before you post.

Originally posted by Aelious
Garvon,



Finally it's not media hype that's propelling it, it's from the fans. People have been waiting a long time for this game. I've seen a lot of banner ads sure but you think you've seen the marketing yet? Lol

I don't think you know what marketing is... Every article that gets written about it is marketing, not just the banner ads.

Originally posted by Garvon3

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by Garvon3

So you're saying that those who didn't pay 60 dollars to bug test the game (most of the human race) arent allowed to criticize the game? The only people stable enough to judge GW2 are those who ponied up 60 bucks based on marketing hype?

Well, I guess if one goes to the front page, to the topic of the 5 fastest to uninstal MMOs, I guess there might be some that fall for the hype.

I, on the other hand, bought this game knowing exactly what I was getting into - the next step of Anet on removing the idiocies of the MMORPG genre.

There are still a few left, but another big chunk was removed, and this time with a Persistent World.

A persistent world except for all the instances...

And no, you didn't buy the game "knowing exactly what you were getting into". You payed for the beta of a game based on what marketing people told you. Marketing can, and often does, outright lie. Remember all the stuff that was supposed to be in Age of Conan?

GW2 appears to have been more honest than most, but that doesn't change the fact that people bought in based on marketing. We know they're honest only AFTEr the fact.

No.

I bought the game based on game play footage. Anet having a good track record of doing what they said they would do helped - I had my trial with Anet by waiting 1 year before jumping into GW1.

Compared to other games that move the super duper hyped mega important end game exclusively to instances, I'm fine.

It will be F2P within 6 months! lol....get it?

Why so much worry about what non-pre-purchase people think? Have you placed this game so high on a pedastal that the slightest complaint (either warranted or not) will topple it? If you enjoy the game, keep enjoying it. There's no need to keep yourself in suspense of reading complaints that you know will come.

Let me say this bluntly: There are things wrong with this game, and there will always be things wrong with this game. It can still be a good game despite that.

That applies to every game you've ever liked or ever will like. If you can't accept that people will point out those things, you shouldn't be on the forums. Ignorance truly is bliss in this case.

Originally posted by rygard49

Why so much worry about what non-pre-purchase people think? Have you placed this game so high on a pedastal that the slightest complaint (either warranted or not) will topple it? If you enjoy the game, keep enjoying it. There's no need to keep yourself in suspense of reading complaints that you know will come.

Let me say this bluntly: There are things wrong with this game, and there will always be things wrong with this game.

That applies to every game you've ever liked or ever will like. If you can't accept that people will point out those things, you shouldn't be on the forums. Ignorance truly is bliss in this case.

 

Although sometimes the things that are "wrong" are by design and are a matter of opinion.

What's the purpose of this thread?

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by rygard49

Why so much worry about what non-pre-purchase people think? Have you placed this game so high on a pedastal that the slightest complaint (either warranted or not) will topple it? If you enjoy the game, keep enjoying it. There's no need to keep yourself in suspense of reading complaints that you know will come.

Let me say this bluntly: There are things wrong with this game, and there will always be things wrong with this game.

That applies to every game you've ever liked or ever will like. If you can't accept that people will point out those things, you shouldn't be on the forums. Ignorance truly is bliss in this case.

 

Although sometimes the things that are "wrong" are by design and are a matter of opinion.

No one does something wrong by design. Devs want to get things right every time in ever case, but that just isn't possible.

Opinions are opinions, and if you disagree with someones opinion it can easily be ignored.

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta.

Only now? There's already been million threads about these before, and amny other things. Forum QQ will exist all the time. This isn't new.

To the part in red: You forgot to add- In my opinion, except for the cash shop, which i agree is defenatly not P2W

 So did you...

Originally posted by Fendel84M

It will be F2P within 6 months! lol....get it?

OK, I must confess that I LOLed earnestly with this one.

Well played, good sir!

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter

Originally posted by rygard49

Why so much worry about what non-pre-purchase people think? Have you placed this game so high on a pedastal that the slightest complaint (either warranted or not) will topple it? If you enjoy the game, keep enjoying it. There's no need to keep yourself in suspense of reading complaints that you know will come.

Let me say this bluntly: There are things wrong with this game, and there will always be things wrong with this game.

That applies to every game you've ever liked or ever will like. If you can't accept that people will point out those things, you shouldn't be on the forums. Ignorance truly is bliss in this case.

 

Although sometimes the things that are "wrong" are by design and are a matter of opinion.

No one does something wrong by design. Devs want to get things right every time in ever case, but that just isn't possible.

Opinions are opinions, and if you disagree with someones opinion it can easily be ignored.

You forget that what's wrong for you is good for others.

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by lilHeala

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

except for the instanced part.  it doesn't spawn copies of the WvW maps for new groups. its just several large persistent areas.

i think this is part of where the OP is coming from with the open world statement.

you could remove the word instanced from your statement and just say "it is however open world pvp in a very big area."  i doubt many would agree it is open world pvp by their definition but i'm still waiting on those who disagree to actually give a definition that excludes it.

Originally posted by Ramanadjinn

Originally posted by Kuppa
 

 

except for the instanced part.  it doesn't spawn copies of the WvW maps for new groups. its just several large persistent areas.

i think this is part of where the OP is coming from with the open world statement.

you could remove the word instanced from your statement and just say "it is however open world pvp in a very big area."  i doubt many would agree it is open world pvp by their definition but i'm still waiting on those who disagree to actually give a definition that excludes it.

With the inclusion of PVE elements within WvW, then lines become even more blurred.

Originally posted by Ramanadjinn

Originally posted by Kuppa

Originally posted by lilHeala

Originally posted by Fadedbomb

Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

 

except for the instanced part.  it doesn't spawn copies of the WvW maps for new groups. its just several large persistent areas.

i think this is part of where the OP is coming from with the open world statement.

you could remove the word instanced from your statement and just say "it is however open world pvp in a very big area."  i doubt many would agree it is open world pvp by their definition but i'm still waiting on those who disagree to actually give a definition that excludes it.

Realy, WvWvW is no different from a smaller island continent - except everyone knows it is a warzone and there are no 1-shots.