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  Lord.Bachus

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7/18/12 3:03:34 PM#21

Those QQ actually might be in for a surprise and even got converted to GW2 players just because of this experience..

 

Ingame none can deny that GW2 is a good game

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

7/18/12 3:03:44 PM#22
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.


  lilHeala

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7/18/12 3:05:32 PM#23
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

That's more like it :) I can agree to that.

  Freedom4u2

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Joined: 8/10/09
Posts: 27

 
OP  7/18/12 3:06:11 PM#24
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

You can solely level from PvP. You can join the PvP world as soon as level 1. You can buy gear, kill enemies, players, gather skills, gather crafting elements and golds from this place. You could play from 1 to 80 without never leaving this place -- and yes, you can get ganked. However, pretty much everyone is on the same level, so unless you're 80 and gank a level 30 and less, you'll have to fight to get the kill.

  alvaruz

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7/18/12 3:07:59 PM#25

Reality doesn't exist.

  BadSpock

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Joined: 8/21/04
Posts: 8061

Logic be damned!

7/18/12 3:10:38 PM#26

I think people STILL complaining about P2Win in WvW really just don't understand that 1 vs 1 will be so rare...

Make friends, stop worrying about P2W - done!

AND that your server will be matched against similar servers, so the ones that would/will "dominate" you you might play.. once? ever?

Fairness in PvP is something so few can understand, of course they can't understand how there is no P2W in WvW.

I've probably been lurking for way, way too long.

  User Deleted
7/18/12 3:11:28 PM#27
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

 

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

So, Illum in SWTOR and Fusang in TSW are open world pvp too? Cool.

  Lord.Bachus

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Joined: 5/14/07
Posts: 9087

I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

7/18/12 3:13:22 PM#28
Originally posted by BadSpock

I think people STILL complaining about P2Win in WvW really just don't understand that 1 vs 1 will be so rare...

Make friends, stop worrying about P2W - done!

AND that your server will be matched against similar servers, so the ones that would/will "dominate" you you might play.. once? ever?

Fairness in PvP is something so few can understand, of course they can't understand how there is no P2W in WvW.

The main problem of those people is that they dont want to understand it.

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Freedom4u2

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Joined: 8/10/09
Posts: 27

 
OP  7/18/12 3:15:10 PM#29
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

 

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

So, Illum in SWTOR and Fusang in TSW are open world pvp too? Cool.

Unless you can level solely from these zones, they are not. You cannot compare GW2 WvWvW with SW:ToR PvP -- it's two complete different world, both litteral and gameplay-wise. You can level in the same huge world from A to Z in guild wars, while you can't in SW:ToR. SW:ToR isn't open world PvP. GW2 is.

  Aque

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7/18/12 3:16:18 PM#30
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by BadSpock

I think people STILL complaining about P2Win in WvW really just don't understand that 1 vs 1 will be so rare...

Make friends, stop worrying about P2W - done!

AND that your server will be matched against similar servers, so the ones that would/will "dominate" you you might play.. once? ever?

Fairness in PvP is something so few can understand, of course they can't understand how there is no P2W in WvW.

The main problem of those people is that they dont want to understand it.

Exactly- They choose not to. 

Plus with that point of view most the time, they act like brick walls. All the information in the world will just hit them and bounce right off.

  Chase187666

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Posts: 140

7/18/12 3:19:50 PM#31

Who knows, maybe once some people actually check out the gem shop, they will see for them self that there isn't anything in there to give you an advantage over everyone else. (Other than xp boosts and being able to level faster which in my opinion isn't an advantage)

It will be pretty chaotic with more people per server and the character wipe happening. Should be quite a lot of fun!

See you guys in game :)


  Aelious

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7/18/12 3:21:03 PM#32
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

More like pay to hold more junk and pay to look cooler.  No real "win" there.

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

Anything with activated dodge and can let you escape projectiles is action enough for me.

• No endgame

"... that is like a typical MMO".  Even though there are also "typical" endgame elements.

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP 

Is there a dedicated map for PvP? Is it big? Can you PvP anywhere on that map? Oh, people have a choice of being there or not, that's what doesn't make it "real" open world.

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

 

This is a requirement in almost any case in almost any game unfortunately.

 

People are always going to compare what they want in an MMO to any game coming out.  Then there are those that will complain just to complain because it seems to them like a sign of intelligence.  Either way it's a good idea to always come to your own conclusions even if it's just watching the large amount of videos out there.

 

In my opinion 60.00 is not a whole lot if your on the fence.  If you play consoles you've probably paid just as much for a game that gave you >30 hours of gameplay.

  Corehaven

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7/18/12 3:22:32 PM#33

Well Im happy enough to be in.  I'm going in with the attitude that there WILL BE things I dont like.  Period.  If I dont find any then I must have missed something.  All I care about is if the good out weighs the negative.  That's what Im expecting at least. 

 

However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

  Kuppa

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The problem with censorship is ********

7/18/12 3:27:03 PM#34
Originally posted by Freedom4u2
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

 

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

So, Illum in SWTOR and Fusang in TSW are open world pvp too? Cool.

Unless you can level solely from these zones, they are not. You cannot compare GW2 WvWvW with SW:ToR PvP -- it's two complete different world, both litteral and gameplay-wise. You can level in the same huge world from A to Z in guild wars, while you can't in SW:ToR. SW:ToR isn't open world PvP. GW2 is.

This.

Let me know when Illum and Fusang has all the activities and size you have in WvW.


  BadSpock

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Logic be damned!

7/18/12 3:27:03 PM#35
Originally posted by Corehaven

Well Im happy enough to be in.  I'm going in with the attitude that there WILL BE things I dont like.  Period.  If I dont find any then I must have missed something.  All I care about is if the good out weighs the negative.  That's what Im expecting at least. 

However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

Well Malcom ... I mean Core... sorry....

Expecting the trolls/haters to not pounce on any GW2 thread is "a long wait for a train don't come."

 

I've probably been lurking for way, way too long.

  Meowhead

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7/18/12 3:29:50 PM#36
Originally posted by Corehaven

However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

 They should probably just make a generic, non-game specific version of this thread and sticky it on the front of the page.

People will start complaining about a game before it even exists, will complain about it when it's announced, and won't stop even years after the game is discontinued (Notice you can still find complaints about Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa, just offhand).

Complaining about things is just one more way to occupy yourself. :)  People will complain about things they know nothing about, they'll complain about legitimate things, they'll complain about things that are opinion and accuse anybody holding a contrary opinion of being deluded.

That's just... that's just people.

It's not even restricted to MMORPGs, or this forum.  People are whiny.  Hey, it worked when we were babies, no reason to stop now, right? :)

  lifeordinary

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7/18/12 3:31:09 PM#37
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Freedom4u2
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

 

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

So, Illum in SWTOR and Fusang in TSW are open world pvp too? Cool.

Unless you can level solely from these zones, they are not. You cannot compare GW2 WvWvW with SW:ToR PvP -- it's two complete different world, both litteral and gameplay-wise. You can level in the same huge world from A to Z in guild wars, while you can't in SW:ToR. SW:ToR isn't open world PvP. GW2 is.

This.

Let me know when Illum and Fusang has all the activities and size you have in WvW.

What has size got anything to do with open world PVP? it is more about game mechanics than size of the map.

  Kuppa

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7/18/12 3:33:29 PM#38
Originally posted by lifeordinary
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by Freedom4u2
Originally posted by FredomSekerZ
Originally posted by Kuppa
Originally posted by lilHeala
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

 

 

To be fair WvWvW is NOT real open world PvP. Just thought I'd correct a falacy there :).

Depends what definition of the term you personally prefer, and "real" is at best already subjective.

Its not open world pvp as we know of it. It is however open world pvp in a very big instanced area.

So, Illum in SWTOR and Fusang in TSW are open world pvp too? Cool.

Unless you can level solely from these zones, they are not. You cannot compare GW2 WvWvW with SW:ToR PvP -- it's two complete different world, both litteral and gameplay-wise. You can level in the same huge world from A to Z in guild wars, while you can't in SW:ToR. SW:ToR isn't open world PvP. GW2 is.

This.

Let me know when Illum and Fusang has all the activities and size you have in WvW.

What has size got anything to do with open world PVP? it is more about game mechanics than size of the map.

You guys are right, its not open world pvp. Its a big instanced arena, lets leave it at that cause this might blow up for no good reason.

On with the topic at hand....


  KingGator

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7/18/12 3:37:56 PM#39
Originally posted by Freedom4u2

Get ready to see a lot of QQ next weekend. With all those beta key being given away for the last BWE, you'll be seeing a lot of fanboy from all games trying to bash GW2 to the ground and who didn't pay to get in the game. As if it wasn't enough, their implementation of the online store might even make things worse.

 

I believe we'll see a lot of these:

• GW2 is pay to win with the gem store

• Gameplay isn't real action gameplay

• No endgame

• WvWvW isn't real open world PvP

 

I probably missed a lot, but you see my point. While those of us who've been reading a lot about the game know those points are all false, it can deteriorate the experience some people might have in the next beta. May you be a veteran from the beta (BWE 1, 2 & 3) or a newcommer in the world of guild wars, I just want to tell you guys to not listen to this and enjoy the next BWE3 as much as you can.

 

TIP: Turn off the zone chat and get in a guild with friends and relax. It greatly help to enjoy the game to the maximum.

1.) The Gemstorye isn't too p2w-ish now, i think what people are afraid of is the potential for p2w. If you don't really NEED anything, as most players are claiming from the casshop then many players, most of whom are younger people and probably don't have much cash(why the want everything to be f2p imho) won't spend any money.  This would leave arena net in a position of haivng to make things in their item shop compelling. This way lay p2w. Before i get flamed by militant fanboys, know that I am saying this could happen, it is a realistic scenario, but it is by no means for sure what's going to happen.

2.)  I myself would like the combat to be less "action" oriented as whack-a-mole console style game play doesn't appeal to me, you'll probably see complaints from the "we want everythign to be an fps game" crowd  and from people that think like me.

3.) I don't know that the lack of end game bothers me. Due to level scaling as you level you not only open new areas you can access, but the ones you left remain viable. I also read that even after you max leve you can get additional skill points, this will keep people playing while not turning it into a second job. Some of us have careers, wives/girlfriends, and like to see outside once in awhile. This is actually a huge selling point for the game with me and I am still not convinced its going to be any good, in other words a critic.

4.) I played open world ffa pvp on mordred back in the day.  So long as you're in the early wave of 50s its great, after that your server dies on the vine due to twinks and grey ganking douche lords that discourage new players from sticking around. Half arsed world pvp ala wow may as well not exist either. Its better this way, you do your quest and your dungeon crawls in safety and comfort, aside from the environment with your friends and guidlies, when its time for mayhem you hit the mists and go get thos shiney relics for your realm.

 

This game has many concerns for me. The fan reactions of radical negativity to any mention of possible failings turns me off and makes me hope none of those people are on my server, but its ke Ben Kenobi right now, the empire of bad mmorpgs has dominated the mmoverse and GW2 is our only hope........................................well, until someone else comes along with a reasonable concept.

  Freedom4u2

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OP  7/18/12 3:38:45 PM#40
Originally posted by Corehaven

Well Im happy enough to be in.  I'm going in with the attitude that there WILL BE things I dont like.  Period.  If I dont find any then I must have missed something.  All I care about is if the good out weighs the negative.  That's what Im expecting at least. 

 

However also keep in mind that at least some complaints will be constructive and there's no need to label them QQ'ers or whiners or anything like that.  Although I do kind of think its funny there's a thread complaining about the complainers before they even start complaining.  Hmmm.....

More like a thread to tell people to prepare to the qqstorm comming so it doesn't make their experience bad on what is supposed to be the best beta event of Guild Wars 2 ;)

 

I also want to add that I labeled nothing and took a particular attention to this point. I want this experience to be as positive as possible.

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