Only opinion I've formed yet is this game is going drive WOW into the ground.  New game, no monthly subs, good reviews, AAA quality; WOW just cannot compete against that, I think.

i don't want to wish any ill on Blizzard, but i too hope it does really well!

with every new game comes a new opportunity to surpass those before it!

If you think GW2 or any MMO is going to put a serious dent in WoW's subs, I want some of what you're smoking.

you haven't played the game so how can you have a valid opinion on the game.

also making threads like these imo is just as bad the thread design to troll gw2 members.

Be careful what you wish for.  If WoW is driven into the ground, the enormous toilet bowl that is that community may well flush into your new game.

Originally posted by silvermember

you haven't played the game so how can you have a valid opinion on the game.

also making threads like these imo is just as bad the thread design to troll gw2 members.

I've been reading beta feedback and looking at the website, screen shots, animations, etc...  If this game delivers what it appears to be promising, I do not see how WOW can hold up.

To put things in perspective, WOW is like the only girl in a small town.  She keeps getting asked to the prom by tons of guys every year because she is the only girl in town, no matter her ages lines.  GW2 appears to be a new girl in town and a whole heck of a lot prettier.

Just a guess though; I could be wrong, but have a feeling that this time the king is going down for the count.

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Be careful what you wish for.  If WoW is driven into the ground, the enormous toilet bowl that is that community may well flush into your new game.

Oh god you're right, wishing MOP success now lol.

Originally posted by ReallyNow10

Only opinion I've formed yet is this game is going drive WOW into the ground.  New game, no monthly subs, good reviews, AAA quality; WOW just cannot compete against that, I think.

awww here we go

Nothing will kill WoW, nothing else but time.

Over time the number of WoW players will decline and they will addapt to F2P and such things, but when a game is overdue, its overdue. GW2 will be nothing more but another step forward in time for both the MMO community as the WoW community, some will step over but then some of those empty spots will be filled by new players.

I just hope for Blizzard that WoW will cover the time till WoW really gets in decline. As many of their investors might not understand the process and shares would be dropping making it harder for them to get enough funds for their new game under development.

One thing we can asume for sure, many of the good things we see in GW2 today, will also make Blizzards new game.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Nothing will kill WoW, nothing else but time.

 

Over time the number of WoW players will decline and they will addapt to F2P and such things, but when a game is overdue, its overdue. GW2 will be nothing more but another step forward in time for both the MMO community as the WoW community, some will step over but then some of those empty spots will be filled by new players.

 

I just hope for Blizzard that WoW will cover the time till WoW really gets in decline. As many of their investors might not understand the process and shares would be dropping making it harder for them to get enough funds for their new game under development.

 

One thing we can asume for sure, many of the good things we see in GW2 today, will also make Blizzards new game.

QFT

GW2 is basicly doing the same thing that wow did in the day..

Anet has taken the best parts of the best games both pvp and pve put their own twist on them and combined them with an awesome new design philosophy based more on fun than grind and open events over raid...

This game has all the potential of being the next phenomenon in mmo gaming..

Or at the very least overtaking wow over time if anet plays their cards right..

Actiblizz is not the blizzard of old and the coattails of that once great company they have been riding for years are wore out and the suits of actiblizz have nothing to offer, their slow painful fall is inevitable..

Why is it soooooo important that a new MMO is seen as a WOW killer?

Personally I dont like WOW I played it for a total of just over 6 months over the past 7yrs, I could just never get into it, always found it too easy and geared more toward a younger audience (especially when they keep dumbing down the difficulty all the time). However I really wish the game no harm it has brought many people years of fun and enjoyment and I am sure that while sub numbers may drop (lets face it WOW can afford to lose a few million players np), WOW will still be alive and kicking and if not the number 1 any more still in the top 3 for number of players.

Yes I feel GWs2 is going to do really well and probably be the number 1 MMO, I for 1 love the game and cant wait for release, however I wish WOW no harm it has done so much good or bad for the MMO world that the hard work put into it by Blizzard deserves to be around for a good few years yet.

I am very happy to see new methods of gameplay being used by some of the latest AAA MMOs as the old style point n click button mash is getting a bit old now. So comapnies releasing a new twist on any of the pre set MMO standards that WOW helped to establish as the norm is awesome. GWs2 is not alone in testing and innovating new methods of gameplay (Tera, NWN to name but 2) and I hope MMOs will continue to evolve now that games are daring to tread out of established gameplay.

So stop looking for a WOW killer and enjoy the game that gives you hours of pleasure and fun, now maybe it is GWs2 but the industry is changing and who knows what is on the horizon for us but I am sure no matter what happens most of us will pop back into an old fave once in a while as long as the servers stay up.

This is said everytime a new MMO comes on the market, its not going to happen, sure it will have an effect but  its not a wow killer, the only WoW killer I can think of is microsoft if the rumors of them buying Blizzard are true.

unless i'm mistaken...

i feel some people use the term "wow killer" to refer to a game that will surpass WOW in popularity and/or sales.  this is reasonable as it may at some point happen.

some though may use the term to mean a game will be so popular all the World of Warcraft players will stop playing WOW and 100% of them will flock to this new MMO effectively closing all WOW servers permanently.  

do we really need to debunk that second useage of the word?  i don't think so.  i would hope it safe to assume the spirit of any wow killer sentiment is more in line with the first definition and address that.  it could be a mix of hyperbole and someone rebutting such statements as if they were spoken to be taken literally when they were in fact not.

i could be giving the OP and the community as a whole too much credit?

I'm really interested in seeing what Blizzard has planned with their new MMO. If they end up adoting the B2P model for it, GW2 is going to have a problem =S But I don't want Blizzards new MMO to be  success though.  It'll be interested to see if they take any ideas from GW2 lol.

Originally posted by slowpoke68

Be careful what you wish for.  If WoW is driven into the ground, the enormous toilet bowl that is that community may well flush into your new game.

A representative sample of the same types of people play all MMOs--douchebags, helpful mentors, hardcore and casuals alike.  It is the game's systems that can facilitate what side of most players we see and which demographic we hear from the most.  If there's anything GW2 is doing right, it's the cooperative untrollable environment it's creating.  

Most MMO players are pretty loyal to their games so I really don't see WoW going anywhere at this time.  Kudos to them for pumping out fresh new content consistenly. 

I know people WoW bash unforgivingly but I feel like it really set the gold standard for MMOs.  It's hugely PVE or you can go pretty strictly the PVP route.  You can't deny how its made mmorpgs relevant in this day and age and its probably created more first time MMO users then any other game.  Those little guys (if we like them or not) are the community we play with and the future haha.

Good thread all around though.

Too late. WoW has already been killed like a dozen times or so. Aion, Warhammer, SW:TOR, Rift, etc.... already killed WoW, remember? Because there is always silly people who actually think WoW can be killed.

WoW is still going to be the #1 MMO a decade from now. Accept it. It doesn't affect your enjoyment of whatever MMO you choose to play.

Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

Nothing will kill WoW, nothing else but time

except for GW2 competing for people's time by being a vastly superior product. im tired of people thinking it's only about sub vs. p2p. it's mostly about TIME. while some people on this site may play several MMO's at a time, most people will not.

Originally posted by newbinator

Too late. WoW has already been killed like a dozen times or so. Aion, Warhammer, SW:TOR, Rift, etc.... already killed WoW, remember? Because there is always silly people who actually think WoW can be killed.

 

WoW is still going to be the #1 MMO a decade from now. Accept it. It doesn't affect your enjoyment of whatever MMO you choose to play.

 A decade from now?....

.... that's just silly.

There will be no such thing as a 'WoW killer', WoW has simply run the vast majority of it's course as the primary MMO out there. What GW2 has the prospect of being is a 'natural successor' if properly supported and financially successful (two things innextricably linked ofc....).

WoW looks old and plays old - these are the primary cons. However, WoW has an enormous community and represents a massive investment of time, sentiment and shared experience for its players - this is something which has it's own inertia and will not be brought down by alternatives on their own - merely by a 'tipping point' being reached. I see no significant sign of this yet. Perhaps in 18-months+ from now.

We will have to wait and see.

I personally hope that GW2 becomes the new WoW - it deserves to be in a number of ways. However - it will only be so in principle - not in operation, and as long as there are a significant number of those who want old-styled MMO play and the comfortable familiarity of the game they 'grew up' with, WoW will go on.

What GW2 needs to do is take the crown slowly and by offering a replacement for these things - not by any kind of brash challenge. Word of mouth will make this happen - and so called 'fanboi' & 'hater' rhetoric will ironically, actually slow the process, not speed it up - regardless of the spin put on such.

Predicting crowd psychology is an inexact science at best, and no-one can definitively say what will happen.

However - the ingredients are there for a 'royal' sucession - the cooks just need to inspire the hungry horde....