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  Gundric

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7/15/12 1:40:19 PM#41

LoL if you screw up in a raid the guild master can now sentence you to community service!  Do you have to wear an orange vest?

  Vannor

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7/15/12 1:41:03 PM#42
Originally posted by Trionicus
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Trionicus

Lets be real about this. The only people I've ever known to need help leveling in WOW were completely incompetent. That is pretty much the end of that story.

 

Mid-Post EDIT: Changed my mind, this is a great idea. Think about it for a minute. We get those noobs who don't know how to switch targets (the kind of dps that never switches off the boss no matter what) being led by people who likely have never done more than basic heroics, they can all keep eachother down, like when you try to save a drowning person but neither knows how to swim.

Plesae tell me you plan to stay in WOW, I hate running into players with your attitude in my MMORPG's.

 

 

You say that now then you're the guy who initiates the vote to kick when the nub who is supposed to tank shows up with +spirit gems in slot.

So players like that deserve to be disgarded and forgot about? Fuck em, eh? They arn't good at the game so we'll just not even bother trying to help them?

Everything you're saying shows exactly why this mentoring system is needed.

  niceguy3978

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7/15/12 1:41:44 PM#43
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Blizzard is starting a new campaign to entice new players to WoW.
 
 
Frankly, WoW’s gameplay isn’t so difficult as to warrant mentoring, and I think it's terrible that Blizz would hinder the game play of paying subscribers without offering compensation except a useless title, in the hopes of increasing their subscriber base. To commit these volunteers to 4 months of sub fees and take away the guild’s identity (its name) for this length of time is outrageous. If Blizz wishes to offer such a service, they should do so without expecting players to pay a sub fee so they can log in to perform the company’s duties. Blizz has turned a pastime into a job (I’m not even referring to raiding this time) where you literally pay them to work for them, and it’s unethical.
 
If my guild master subjected me this, I’d immediately leave the guild. They have no right to sign me up for more work after my full time job.

Why is a voluntary mentoring system so problematic to you?  It is voluntary, any decent guild leader would discuss such a thing with his/her members, and if you are in a guild that wouldn't discuss this with you, you should quit the guild anyway.

Edit: I should have read through to the end as Colddog already said what I said.

  Khrymson

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7/15/12 1:45:18 PM#44

I don't see a problem with this.  I suppose some people have a hard time understanding that there are gamers that enjoy helping others.  Only this time you're being marked and recognised by Blizzard for doing so...

  Trionicus

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7/15/12 1:56:45 PM#45
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by Trionicus
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Trionicus

Lets be real about this. The only people I've ever known to need help leveling in WOW were completely incompetent. That is pretty much the end of that story.

 

Mid-Post EDIT: Changed my mind, this is a great idea. Think about it for a minute. We get those noobs who don't know how to switch targets (the kind of dps that never switches off the boss no matter what) being led by people who likely have never done more than basic heroics, they can all keep eachother down, like when you try to save a drowning person but neither knows how to swim.

Plesae tell me you plan to stay in WOW, I hate running into players with your attitude in my MMORPG's.

 

 

You say that now then you're the guy who initiates the vote to kick when the nub who is supposed to tank shows up with +spirit gems in slot.

So players like that deserve to be disgarded and forgot about? Fuck em, eh? They arn't good at the game so we'll just not even bother trying to help them?

Everything you're saying shows exactly why this mentoring system is needed.

 

1 tab to google will tell anyone what they need to know. Are you signing you're guild up for this program?
  User Deleted
7/15/12 2:02:34 PM#46

First this is not a mandatory thign that you as a player has to do, or the guild must do unless they signed up to do an were chosen to do be the one guild per side on the server. If the guild  as people have said signs up without the members knowing or agreeing they should, then leave the guild, and your issue is solved with only losing the guild standing till the four month period of the event ends. If the guild was all about identiy and people actually being apart of it, over just looking for the best guild to raid in they would communicatte what they were planning. This sounds more like the minority of a guild being worried they will have to actually do what the rest fo the guild wants to do, or leave an lose their spot in the guild. Also this is more of a social tool reeally as the guild an members gain largely nothing, no new items, perks or such outside a title for it making it a choice of wanting to help players. It will be fun to watch the selfish players in guilds have to drop guild if they do not want to partake in their guild's desire to help other gamers, and then have to lok for a new guild.

  TheFirstSin

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7/15/12 2:05:41 PM#47

It's Blizz's attempt to bunker up for the coming release of GW2, and recovery from TSW. all there is to it.

  Sukiyaki

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7/15/12 2:09:51 PM#48

And you care to explain to us why the world should bother about this?

Mentoring? So what? Blizzard introduced yet another cheap replication of an old idea/feature to WoW, which will soon be treated by their delusional fans as if they invented or introduced it to the genre. Shocking news. As if we never have seen that happen before.

If you think its stupid and its Blizzard job to teach their player, whatever there is supposed to be teached in a game like WoW...dont bother about it? Just ignore this game? You dont even have to bother or bother others about it even if you where to play this game. Just ignore it.

  Vannor

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7/15/12 2:13:55 PM#49
Originally posted by Trionicus
Originally posted by Vannor
Originally posted by Trionicus
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Trionicus

Lets be real about this. The only people I've ever known to need help leveling in WOW were completely incompetent. That is pretty much the end of that story.

 

Mid-Post EDIT: Changed my mind, this is a great idea. Think about it for a minute. We get those noobs who don't know how to switch targets (the kind of dps that never switches off the boss no matter what) being led by people who likely have never done more than basic heroics, they can all keep eachother down, like when you try to save a drowning person but neither knows how to swim.

Plesae tell me you plan to stay in WOW, I hate running into players with your attitude in my MMORPG's.

 

 

You say that now then you're the guy who initiates the vote to kick when the nub who is supposed to tank shows up with +spirit gems in slot.

So players like that deserve to be disgarded and forgot about? Fuck em, eh? They arn't good at the game so we'll just not even bother trying to help them?

Everything you're saying shows exactly why this mentoring system is needed.

 

1 tab to google will tell anyone what they need to know. Are you signing you're guild up for this program?

I don't play WoW anymore or have ever been hooked on it, it's never been a top MMO for me..

If I was running a guild in WoW though and the majority of the members were up for it then, sure, I'd get on board. Those members that didn't want to take part wouldn't have to. I'm not the sort to be running a guild though, I don't have the time or dedication for that.

I help out people in every MMO I play though. At the moment, in TSW, I answer every question I know the answer to in the general chat and will keep talking to that person if they need more help/advice, I'm like that in every game I play. I help everyone I come across that seems to be in a tough fight and look like they are losing. I often give away items I don't need for free to lower level players. So if you are trying to find out if I'm a hypocrite then, no, I'm not.

  Kost

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7/15/12 2:16:48 PM#50
Originally posted by Trionicus

 

1 tab to google will tell anyone what they need to know. Are you signing you're guild up for this program?

Your*

It's ironic that you insult others above for being "incompetent" yet you yourself cannot differentiate between a contraction and a possessive adjective.

Here is some reading to help you educate yourself: http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/difficulties/youryoure.html

/facepalm

  Homitu

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Joined: 10/01/09
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7/15/12 2:16:55 PM#51
Originally posted by Dexter2010
Blizzard is starting a new campaign to entice new players to WoW.
 
 
Frankly, WoW’s gameplay isn’t so difficult as to warrant mentoring, and I think it's terrible that Blizz would hinder the game play of paying subscribers without offering compensation except a useless title, in the hopes of increasing their subscriber base. To commit these volunteers to 4 months of sub fees and take away the guild’s identity (its name) for this length of time is outrageous. If Blizz wishes to offer such a service, they should do so without expecting players to pay a sub fee so they can log in to perform the company’s duties. Blizz has turned a pastime into a job (I’m not even referring to raiding this time) where you literally pay them to work for them, and it’s unethical.
 
If my guild master subjected me this, I’d immediately leave the guild. They have no right to sign me up for more work after my full time job.

How in the world is this hindering the gameplay of paying subscribers?  Only guilds who want to do this (and many certainly will) will apply.  As with any guild activity, the guild's participation in it should be diplomatically discussed with its members.  This whole program should have exactly zero negative effect for anyone involved.  

That said, I also don't really see how this is supposed to help lure more players.  My best guess is that this is an experimental system whose data and feedback they will use to perhaps develop and implement a similar system in the future, or in a future MMO.  This especially seems to be the case because it will only be available on such a limited number of servers.  

  Bladestrom

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7/15/12 2:16:58 PM#52
Originally posted by Trionicus

Lets be real about this. The only people I've ever known to need help leveling in WOW were completely incompetent. That is pretty much the end of that story.

 

Mid-Post EDIT: Changed my mind, this is a great idea. Think about it for a minute. We get those noobs who don't know how to switch targets (the kind of dps that never switches off the boss no matter what) being led by people who likely have never done more than basic heroics, they can all keep eachother down, like when you try to save a drowning person but neither knows how to swim.

Lets be real, EVERYONE including yourself at some point was also a noob to use your term.  You express the attitude that has destroyed the social aspect of raiding in WOW, and exactly why mentoring is required.   the 'incompetent' need mentoring more than anyone no?

Food for thought, unless you are in a World top 10 guild, some people think you are a noob - its an interesting culture in wow isnt it :)

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  maplestone

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7/15/12 2:35:19 PM#53

It's a little unclear what the purpose of the program is ... it was my understanding that an unguilded player does not go very long without being spammed with guild invites (to the point where it becomes annoying).  What is the problem they are attempting to solve?

As for being offended ... I can't wrap my head around what there is to be offended about.  Guilds volunteer and one is picked per faction per server ... if your guild decides to volunteer and you don't want to take part, then yes, just leave the guild. 

  NaughtyP

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7/15/12 3:51:39 PM#54

How is this a strategy to recruit players? That's what marketing is for, not volunteering noob-helper guild programs. The only thing this does is make it so new players can find a group of people to play with off the bat.

If you're going to get mad at Blizzard for something, how about the short campaign in SC2 or Diablo 3 for its multitude of launch problems... not for trying to find volunteering noob-helper guilds. At least pick battles that make some sense.

Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  Axehilt

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7/15/12 4:12:17 PM#55

How could you be possibly offended by this?

It barely changes anything except to invite the WOW community to help new players.  It doesn't even recruit new players, it just gives new players a convenient way to be helped.

I guess nowadays people aren't concerned with the details of what Blizzard's doing before becoming outraged at them.

  Icewhite

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7/15/12 4:31:02 PM#56
Originally posted by Axehilt

How could you be possibly offended by this?

If we see no immediate nefarious motive, we'll just make one up.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Ramonski7

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7/15/12 5:01:10 PM#57
I'm sorry I know I will probably get slapped with a ban for this but: How ridiculously pitiful are you to find offense in a purely voluntary program for a single freakin guild per faction on a server to help new players find their footing?

I mean really ...is the hate for all things Blizzard and WoW so blind that they cannot offer a mentoring program for it's players without people dusting off their pitchforks and torches for one gawd damn day!?

Whoa is me the day a company finally gets how important community is to their mmo and tries to help strengthen it through the use of its players ...heaven help you guys.


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  Xithryl

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7/15/12 5:13:00 PM#58

Sheesh, This is all optional, i'd imagine a guild would discuss if its something they would like to do, and then apply for it, also... we don't know what the guild would have to change their name to, it may not be something so drastically different so that no one knows who they are.

Plus everyone saying how easy this game is and that it doesnt need a system like this, this system isn't for you, move on!

I like the idea of a mentoring system, and hope that it extends out to maybe mentoring players in raids, I know a few people that could use mentoring.

I am looking forward to see where this goes.

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  Xithryl

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7/15/12 5:15:57 PM#59
Originally posted by Ramonski7
I'm sorry I know I will probably get slapped with a ban for this but: How ridiculously pitiful are you to find offense in a purely voluntary program for a single freakin guild per faction on a server to help new players find their footing?

I mean really ...is the hate for all things Blizzard and WoW so blind that they cannot offer a mentoring program for it's players without people dusting off their pitchforks and torches for one gawd damn day!?

Whoa is me the day a company finally gets how important community is to their mmo and tries to help strengthen it through the use of its players ...heaven help you guys.

Slapped with a ban for defending what Blizz is trying to do, and going against all these freaking hipsters? Yah I guess its possible, lolol... But I for one agree with you... its fully voluntary!

 

We have just gotten to a place where it feels anything worth doing in WoW should reward a mount or a pet.... since we dont see that here, people hate...

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  erictlewis

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7/15/12 5:22:58 PM#60

I don't understand why folks are so bent out of shape over this. It seams blizzard is trying to grow life on underpopulated servers. It is voluntary for 4 months.  So whoever does this has to agree to it, it is not like they pick guilds and force them to do this.

Still not enough to make me go sub up to the game, I just am saying I don't get all the hate for such an interesting idea. 

 

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