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  gainesvilleg

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OP  7/13/12 11:09:33 AM#1

One of the main reasons [mod edit] I had decided I wouldn't buy GW2 was their thief interpretation early on seemed to be of the highly mobile ninja rather than the stealthy assassin.  I prefer the stealthy assassin and was disappointed by that view.

But I'm hearing that more recently the trait changes have made the thief character the more traditional stealth based thief of other MMOs.  Is this true?  If so, I might actually consider jumping back on the bandwagon again LOL.

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  Alders

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7/13/12 11:13:31 AM#2

I really hope not,  stealth is a crutch.

Anet was looking to make thief more than just a 1-trick pony stealth > backstab nonsense, then useless for the rest of the time.  So far it's better than that but still the worst class in the game.  I'm sure things will change drastically before the final BWE.

  gainesvilleg

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OP  7/13/12 11:15:33 AM#3
Originally posted by Alders

I really hope not,  stealth is a crutch.

Anet was looking to make thief more than just a 1-trick pony stealth > backstab nonsense, then useless for the rest of the time.  So far it's better than that but still the worst class in the game.  I'm sure things will change drastically before the final BWE.

Every class has crutches.  But not looking to do the class vs class debate.  Just wanted to know if you can do a melee stealth based assassin rather than the hyper melee/range combo ninja.

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  SoulOfRaziel

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7/13/12 11:17:39 AM#4
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

One of the main reasons (besides cash shop) I had decided I wouldn't buy GW2 was their thief interpretation early on seemed to be of the highly mobile ninja rather than the stealthy assassin.  I prefer the stealthy assassin and was disappointed by that view.

But I'm hearing that more recently the trait changes have made the thief character the more traditional stealth based thief of other MMOs.  Is this true?  If so, I might actually consider jumping back on the bandwagon again LOL.

I dont know if they are going to change the thief or not but as u said "One of the main reasons (besides cash shop) I had decided I wouldn't buy GW2 I just want to make it clear to you... GW2 cash shop has nothing of pay to win so if u dont want to play the game because u think its P2W or because u think u need CASH to buy gems u are WRONG just search a bit more and u will see the cash shop is just fine and not P2W

  KingJiggly

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Definition for innovation is below. Your welcome.

7/13/12 11:22:32 AM#5
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by Alders

I really hope not,  stealth is a crutch.

Anet was looking to make thief more than just a 1-trick pony stealth > backstab nonsense, then useless for the rest of the time.  So far it's better than that but still the worst class in the game.  I'm sure things will change drastically before the final BWE.

Every class has crutches.  But not looking to do the class vs class debate.  Just wanted to know if you can do a melee stealth based assassin rather than the hyper melee/range combo ninja.

 

Yes, however some good shadow steps are in the bow. But you could really do some very good stealth shadowstep mix... Hmmmm.... I should really try theif...

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  Irus

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7/13/12 11:22:49 AM#6
  mechtech256

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7/13/12 11:22:59 AM#7

Just because a cash shop isn't P2W doesn't mean that it's not a problem for some people. There are many other drawbacks of cash shops, many of which only show up once the game has been out a while and you're already invested in the game.

 

As for the OP, the answer is no. Is that really a bad thing? The stealthy assassin is done in every single MMO, it's boring and it's been done to death. Moreso it doesn't fit the game's playstyle. All classes in GW2 are designed to be involved in every aspect of combat, and having a class that relies partially on stealthing around doesn't fit their vision for a non-trinity class system.

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  Alders

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I cannot fiddle but I can make a great state of a small city.

7/13/12 11:25:30 AM#8
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by Alders

I really hope not,  stealth is a crutch.

Anet was looking to make thief more than just a 1-trick pony stealth > backstab nonsense, then useless for the rest of the time.  So far it's better than that but still the worst class in the game.  I'm sure things will change drastically before the final BWE.

Every class has crutches.  But not looking to do the class vs class debate.  Just wanted to know if you can do a melee stealth based assassin rather than the hyper melee/range combo ninja.

 

If you're looking to stay in stealth longer than 4 seconds at a time, then no.

  Fdzzaigl

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7/13/12 11:28:01 AM#9

From my experience in all the previous tests: no, there is no such thing as a class that has a perma-stealth or even an extended amount of invisibility.

 

I prefer this approach, I do not like classes that have the ability to simply disappear from sight indefinitely (out of combat). As you said, all classes have crutches, in their current approach they give thiefs mobility and the ability to exit fights more easily than other classes.

  gainesvilleg

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OP  7/13/12 11:33:26 AM#10
Originally posted by Irus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgMCb3Z5RxE

Cool thanks for that.  Seems promising.  I heard there was a good sword/dagger combo that works very stealthily as well.  Might have to keep my eye on GW2 again...

And like the guy in the video said "might not be the highest burst but very fun to play" which is what stealth is all about for those that like it.  Contrary to popular belief, stealth thieves almost never dominate the leaderboards in other MMOs.  It really is about the fun aspect for those that like it.  Overpowered warrior types and overpowered clerics tend to dominate many MMO leaderboards.  But I said I wasn't going to do the class vs class debate I guess I lied ;)  I'll stop now...

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  FlawSGI

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7/13/12 11:44:45 AM#11
[mod edit]

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Draftbeer

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„Why Are You Wearing that Stupid Man Suit?”

7/13/12 12:02:14 PM#12
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  CrunkJuice2

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7/13/12 12:05:08 PM#13
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by SoulOfRaziel
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

One of the main reasons (besides cash shop) I had decided I wouldn't buy GW2 was their thief interpretation early on seemed to be of the highly mobile ninja rather than the stealthy assassin.  I prefer the stealthy assassin and was disappointed by that view.

But I'm hearing that more recently the trait changes have made the thief character the more traditional stealth based thief of other MMOs.  Is this true?  If so, I might actually consider jumping back on the bandwagon again LOL.

I dont know if they are going to change the thief or not but as u said "One of the main reasons (besides cash shop) I had decided I wouldn't buy GW2 I just want to make it clear to you... GW2 cash shop has nothing of pay to win so if u dont want to play the game because u think its P2W or because u think u need CASH to buy gems u are WRONG just search a bit more and u will see the cash shop is just fine and not P2W

[mod edit]

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/

 

there you go,your viable steathly assassin type that works

  xxlilDevilxx

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7/13/12 12:06:30 PM#14

Why brother asking if the other reason is cash shop.

Don't play the game if you think there are so many problem.


  FlawSGI

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All of history is a lie. The truth depends on who does the listening, and who does the telling...

7/13/12 12:09:10 PM#15
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by FlawSGI
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Not trying to do the cash shop debate again (I already won that debate) but I just wanted to know how the thief plays now in the most recent beta?  Are there viable stealthly assassin type builds that work?

Welll with this kind of comment I was hesitant to reply in kind, but the smugness got to me. If the cash shop and the way one class plays is a deciding factor into wether or not you purchase the game I can say without a doubt stay away, you aren't going to enjoy the product and some of us aren't going to enjoy the comments made post launch. /thread.

This is not an attack, just an observation from this and other posts made by you.

[mod edit]

Actually I don't think I had anything to do with any debate with you regarding a cash shop, so no I didn't take offense to the comment. I also didn't say you were disqualified from the game, only you should stay away because you will not be happy. You have made it clear in other posts that the game was to casusal which and I quote "Isn't my cup of tea" and that the cash shop isn't to your liking. If you wanted an answer to the question you proposed, then there was no need to mention the rest of the details regarding your intentions to not purchase otherwise. And besides that point the question was answered by others and all the while their opinions were discredited because you claim you don't want to discuss class balances and such. This combined with some debate you aparently won, came off as smug. 

I know your name from other posts you have made and it's been made clear you don't approve the product. You have recently attacked the camera, CS, and casualness of the game and that's without going into your post history, only off of comments I remember you making. Calling me a jackass because you are touchy to being called out is sad. Good day.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  Nilenya

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7/13/12 12:10:47 PM#16

There is no in combat long lasting stealth. However as you mentioned yourself with a dagger/pistol combo, you are able to lay down a smoke field, where you through your own leap attack can stealth as a combination trigger, and thus turn your free attack into a backstab. If you also slot a utility such as the smokescreeen, you also have in combat stealth from the leap there. You also have the stealth from steal if you trait for it, and you can with dagger/dagger use cloak and dagger, which again allows you to stealth from your attack. I believe there is an immunity timer now that disables you from stacking ini return/regens and CD > BS 2-3 times in a row. The mob or player will be immune.

 

As for a stealth going into combat; you are able to stealth by using your shortbow blast, together with the utility smokescreen combination, which gives you a 15(ish) second out of combat stealth. But this requires you to be somewhere that blast does not injure anything, as this brings you out of stealth. - You can do this every 30 seconds btw, if you keep the utility slotted.  Alot of people were requesting a setup type of stealth, but it has allways been there, everyone just needs to examine how combos work, and especially the thief has access to some good ones, from their own Dark combo, Poison combo and smoke combo fields.

  FlawSGI

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7/13/12 12:11:10 PM#17
Originally posted by xxlilDevilxx

Why brother asking if the other reason is cash shop.

Don't play the game if you think there are so many problem.

The point I was making. Careful or he will resort to personal attacks to discredit the valid question.

RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.

  DaezAster

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7/13/12 12:15:05 PM#18

Thought I was going to love the engineer and how little interest in the thief but after playing all the classes my view has reversed. The engneer was more limited than I thought would be the case where the thief was great fun. I loved the thiefs tripwire and aerial attacks, plus the back stab that swings you 180 degrees around the enemy. The thief is a great hit and run character wih a lot of mobillity and one I will be playing for sure. I would suggest to all who play gw2 to really try all the classes, the ones you might think you won't like you just might find are your favorites....

  gainesvilleg

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OP  7/13/12 12:15:10 PM#19
Originally posted by FlawSGI
Originally posted by gainesvilleg
Originally posted by FlawSGI
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

Not trying to do the cash shop debate again (I already won that debate) but I just wanted to know how the thief plays now in the most recent beta?  Are there viable stealthly assassin type builds that work?

Welll with this kind of comment I was hesitant to reply in kind, but the smugness got to me. If the cash shop and the way one class plays is a deciding factor into wether or not you purchase the game I can say without a doubt stay away, you aren't going to enjoy the product and some of us aren't going to enjoy the comments made post launch. /thread.

This is not an attack, just an observation from this and other posts made by you.

[mod edit]

Actually I don't think I had anything to do with any debate with you regarding a cash shop, so no I didn't take offense to the comment. I also didn't say you were disqualified from the game, only you should stay away because you will not be happy. You have made it clear in other posts that the game was to casusal which and I quote "Isn't my cup of tea" and that the cash shop isn't to your liking. If you wanted an answer to the question you proposed, then there was no need to mention the rest of the details regarding your intentions to not purchase otherwise. And besides that point the question was answered by others and all the while their opinions were discredited because you claim you don't want to discuss class balances and such. This combined with some debate you aparently won, came off as smug. 

I know your name from other posts you have made and it's been made clear you don't approve the product. You have recently attacked the camera, CS, and casualness of the game and that's without going into your post history, only off of comments I remember you making. Calling me a jackass because you are touchy to being called out is sad. Good day.

If you really knew all my posts and went back several months ago, you would know I was also at one time right on the GW2 hype-wagon.  There were several design decisions that made decide not to get it.  Yes I prefer more hardcore games but I play casual games as well (hell I played plants vs zombies even).  I hate cash shops but I played in other games with cash shops.

It is the accumulation of bad (in my opinion) design choices that made me not want to get GW2.  But one of the BIGGEST design choices was their thief interpretation.  I read recently that a stealth based build is actually possible now, and I was asking if it were true.

But only one response from Irus actually tried to answer my question.  Almost all other responses were snide and symptomatic of a terrible community to be honest.

The only reason I mentioned the cash shop in the post was if I didn't some jackass would point to a previous post of mine and say "But I thought you said you weren't playing because of cash shop like you posted before" and I was right.  That is exactly what you did.

The reality is there is no perfect game, and I make a decision on the BALANCE of design choices.

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

  gainesvilleg

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OP  7/13/12 12:20:49 PM#20
Originally posted by MattVid
Originally posted by gainesvilleg

[mod edit]
[mod edit]

Read my original post.  The trolling started by others what am I suppose to say "thank you can I have another" when somebody says "Go back to Wow if you want stealth"

Now I know why they got rid of global chat in GW2, I don't think this community would be very nice to people asking questions there.  Kudos for Anet recognizing that LOL.

GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements

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