Originally posted by JayZas

Originally posted by laserit

7.5 is a good score (enjoy the game very much)

It's most of the 9 and 9.5/10 for games that I think are totally bogus. To me there are only a couple of those a decade.

Thats the problem. With so many 8-9's out there and with people actually tuning into gamespot for the numbers. Who has time for 7-7.5.  No it shouldn't be a bad score. But they have made it that by over rating games.

I kinda see where you are coming from, but right below that 7.5 it says "good."  Which is what TSW is to the reviewer, a good game.  Not a great game, but a good one.  I tend to agree that there has been a metric sh#ton of of score inflation everywhere though making a 7.5 look "bad."  The description he gave of the combat is the main reason I didn't buy it after playing in CB for a while.  Everything else about the gave is way above average though, in my opinion.

Edit:  I am very glad to see it getting such good user reviews, though.  I am a bit tired of mmos getting unrealisticly bad user scores.

Originally posted by JayZas

Originally posted by laserit

7.5 is a good score (enjoy the game very much)

It's most of the 9 and 9.5/10 for games that I think are totally bogus. To me there are only a couple of those a decade.

Thats the problem. With so many 8-9's out there and with people actually tuning into gamespot for the numbers. Who has time for 7-7.5.  No it shouldn't be a bad score. But they have made it that by over rating games.

Those games have higher production values, more stuff, etc. I am in an American school and anyone who gets a C or less has issues.A 7.5 or 75 is a C. If you get lower than a C you have to repeat core classes to graduate.

I'm supprised an MMO would release today without much thought to combat, this is why the game rated so poorly.

To be fair, these early reviews are judging the game like they would a regular game: combat, mechanics, story, etc. like a single player RPG.

TSW doesn't have much past a short single player RPG, if you take more than 100 hours finishing everything something is wrong. I took 70 in beta.   Not including if you repeat stuff, such as instances. It has been two weeks and many are finished everything, instances are getting beat on the hardest setting every day.

I would hope the MMO score would be much lower than 7.5. poor combat, worst PvP in years, no raids.  skills and passives are not balanced.  Story is an xfile rip off and many of the quest are. many quest are the same old kill 30 of these for 4 tiers.

So why was this game made? The lead developer is no stephen king, his writing is cliche, there are no options and fewer voice overs than SWTOR.  most quest are green that have no voice over, is why you can have 3 of them.  Everquest 2 had more voice acting.

Originally posted by tares

Originally posted by JayZas

Originally posted by laserit

7.5 is a good score (enjoy the game very much)

It's most of the 9 and 9.5/10 for games that I think are totally bogus. To me there are only a couple of those a decade.

Thats the problem. With so many 8-9's out there and with people actually tuning into gamespot for the numbers. Who has time for 7-7.5.  No it shouldn't be a bad score. But they have made it that by over rating games.

Those games have higher production values, more stuff, etc. I am in an American school and anyone who gets a C or less has issues.A 7.5 or 75 is a C. If you get lower than a C you have to repeat core classes to graduate.

I'm supprised an MMO would release today without much thought to combat, this is why the game rated so poorly.

To be fair, these early reviews are judging the game like they would a regular game: combat, mechanics, story, etc. like a single player RPG.

TSW doesn't have much past a short single player RPG, if you take more than 100 hours finishing everything something is wrong. I took 70 in beta.   Not including if you repeat stuff, such as instances. It has been two weeks and many are finished everything, instances are getting beat on the hardest setting every day.

I would hope the MMO score would be much lower than 7.5. poor combat, worst PvP in years, no raids.  skills and passives are not balanced.  Story is an xfile rip off and many of the quest are. many quest are the same old kill 30 of these for 4 tiers.

So why was this game made? The lead developer is no stephen king, his writing is cliche, there are no options and fewer voice overs than SWTOR.  most quest are green that have no voice over, is why you can have 3 of them.  Everquest 2 had more voice acting.

 SWTOR didn't have anything past a short story campaign. The combat was and still is bland. The PvP was commented on many of times as being god awful and unbalanced. They used the same type of Skill Tree Arc as WoW. Same Grindy go there kill 10 of these do this do that.

The graphics were often commented on as being poor, they took the hero engine (I believe it was?) modded the crap out of it themselves and it looked horrid. People on the SWTOR forum said this for christ sake. Plus it ran bad on most pc's for not looking that amazing.

You made decisions that yes, but they had little to no bearing. With the dark/light only effecting your appearance slightly. The zones all felt detached even more so with the long loads as many reviewers pointed out. The space combat was tacked on and not much fun at all.

On top of all that it wasn't even an original idea just a game based on star wars (I love star wars and wanted to love SWTOR). 

On top of that I seem to remember my guild having lots of trouble with bugs all through the game ecspecialy in end game raids. Problems with loot disapearing, bosses difficulty being bugged and some other things.

And most of everything you just explained applied to SWTOR also plus even more stuff. Are you really a fan of the exciting SWTOR combat? or the skill trees? or the pvp? or the end game? or the short story? or the drawn out cut scenes? or the rail spacefights? or the meaningless dark/light that could have been done oh so much better?....

Yet it gots 8's and 8.5's.

Yeah, they spent a lot of money on it. What did it do? well they had long conversations and good voice acting. Come on. They didn't even capture the feel of Star Wars.

I believe you need to stop justifying 8's and 9's because money was spent and look at a game for what it is.

LOL like any game review site is to be taken serious after SW:TOR.

I think this is simply about Gamespot not getting the check in the mail they wanted to do a shining 9+ review of the game. The whole game review business is corrupt to the core.

Now the user reviews on Meta Critics are around 8.5 average, I think thats more fair.

TSW is the best MMO released in many years because it doesnt try to fit a mold defined by WoW. TSW is very story-heavy and it works. People who cry about the combat (animations aside) really cant have gone deep into any builds. The level of customization of your own build by mixing different passives and actives is really deep.

TSW isnt everybody's cup of tea. But thats fine. Dishonest reviews however, is not fine.

Originally posted by BloodyViking

LOL like any game review site is to be taken serious after SW:TOR.

 

I think this is simply about Gamespot not getting the check in the mail they wanted to do a shining 9+ review of the game. The whole game review business is corrupt to the core.

 

Now the user reviews on Meta Critics are around 8.5 average, I think thats more fair.

 

TSW is the best MMO released in many years because it doesnt try to fit a mold defined by WoW. TSW is very story-heavy and it works. People who cry about the combat (animations aside) really cant have gone deep into any builds. The level of customization of your own build by mixing different passives and actives is really deep.

 

TSW isnt everybody's cup of tea. But thats fine. Dishonest reviews however, is not fine.

Highlighted text is why nobody can take your post seriously.

Maybe it wasn't the 'reviewers cup of tea'?

Or maybe it is because when he played it, there were bugs?

It is hilarious to defend a game that is wanting $$$ from people and fanboys wants a pass on the bugs.

It doesn't really work like that.

Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by BloodyViking

LOL like any game review site is to be taken serious after SW:TOR.

 

I think this is simply about Gamespot not getting the check in the mail they wanted to do a shining 9+ review of the game. The whole game review business is corrupt to the core.

 

Now the user reviews on Meta Critics are around 8.5 average, I think thats more fair.

 

TSW is the best MMO released in many years because it doesnt try to fit a mold defined by WoW. TSW is very story-heavy and it works. People who cry about the combat (animations aside) really cant have gone deep into any builds. The level of customization of your own build by mixing different passives and actives is really deep.

 

TSW isnt everybody's cup of tea. But thats fine. Dishonest reviews however, is not fine.

Highlighted text is why nobody can take your post seriously.

Maybe it wasn't the 'reviewers cup of tea'?

Or maybe it is because when he played it, there were bugs?

It is hilarious to defend a game that is wanting $$$ from people and fanboys wants a pass on the bugs.

It doesn't really work like that.

They don't get to be subjective in a review. They are not reviewing this as a fan of a genre, they are reviewing this as a journalist.

Originally posted by AdamTM

They don't get to be subjective in a review. They are not reviewing this as a fan of a genre, they are reviewing this as a journalist.

I recently spent some time reading a reviewer forum.  It reads pretty much exactly like mmorpg.com does.  Astonishing lack of objectivity, all around.

Did you know Authors have their vested fanboys and haters, too?

Oh no, there were bugs!???!!! What a f*****g joke. There has never -EVER- been released an MMO that didnt have bugs. So the question that begs to be answered is, were they gamebreaking bugs? No they werent. There were some quests that were bugged at some stages. Men in Black Vans part 4, Something Wicked last tier and The Black House last tier to be exact. Whoopedeedooo!!!

I dont give a shit if you as a gamer dislikes the game, but "professional" reviewers needs a smack when they give dishonest reviews. The fact is that many gamers are becoming very weary of these so called "professional" reviewers because the whole game review "industry" is stinking to high heaven. It's all about those marketing $$$ so they have to toe the line to bring in the bucks. The problem now is that is become so blatantly obvious after the SW:TOR fiasco that gamers should really do their own research and look at what other real gamers think about the product.

Nice to see members of the 'community' attacking TSW with bile and hate and stomping their feet while frothing in anger, it means it's an amazing game

and people who don't get the combat, I pìty you...

Originally posted by BloodyViking

Oh no, there were bugs!???!!! What a f*****g joke. There has never -EVER- been released an MMO that didnt have bugs. So the question that begs to be answered is, were they gamebreaking bugs? No they werent. There were some quests that were bugged at some stages. Men in Black Vans part 4, Something Wicked last tier and The Black House last tier to be exact. Whoopedeedooo!!!

 

I dont give a shit if you as a gamer dislikes the game, but "professional" reviewers needs a smack when they give dishonest reviews. The fact is that many gamers are becoming very weary of these so called "professional" reviewers because the whole game review "industry" is stinking to high heaven. It's all about those marketing $$$ so they have to toe the line to bring in the bucks. The problem now is that is become so blatantly obvious after the SW:TOR fiasco that gamers should really do their own research and look at what other real gamers think about the product.

Professional reviewers my arse...

go check the scores for these games when they released:

- AoC

-WAR

-Cataclysm

just to mention a few (and not counting MW2 and MW3 or UC3...)

total waste of ... web storage

If you like a game play it, if you don't well don't play it?

but don't base your choice on some clown makign a review of something he hasn't played much and doesn't understand completely

Originally posted by muthax

Nice to see members of the 'community' attacking TSW with bile and hate and stomping their feet while frothing in anger, it means it's an amazing game

and people who don't get the combat, I pìty you...

It's how the gaming industry has become, unfortunately. Much like society in general. There is lots of "extremism" in all forms (sports, politics, movies etc) where civil discussions have gone out the window. Internet has become a cesspool of extreme opinions and perceived self importance. But that is a much larger discussion which I'll skip since its not "on topic".

TSW has done something spectacular in this day and age in creating a very atmospheric, cinematesque game with deep character skill customization. The polish technicaly and graphicaly is way beyond Funcoms prior games, and I would say even more so than other recently released MMOs. The launch (both early access and retail day launch) was extremely smooth.

That said, TSW demands  a lot from the player. You are not given everything in your hands to do mindnumbing gameplay. You need to use your brain in this game. Both in order to do many of the missions and also in building your character. You need to look at the abilities you can choose from and decide which combinations will work together for the purpose you want. This part is unforgiving for people who are not used to actually think and tinker. This is where I will say the divide is.

Originally posted by BloodyViking

Originally posted by muthax

Nice to see members of the 'community' attacking TSW with bile and hate and stomping their feet while frothing in anger, it means it's an amazing game

and people who don't get the combat, I pìty you...

It's how the gaming industry has become, unfortunately. Much like society in general. There is lots of "extremism" in all forms (sports, politics, movies etc) where civil discussions have gone out the window. Internet has become a cesspool of extreme opinions and perceived self importance. But that is a much larger discussion which I'll skip since its not "on topic".

 

TSW has done something spectacular in this day and age in creating a very atmospheric, cinematesque game with deep character skill customization. The polish technicaly and graphicaly is way beyond Funcoms prior games, and I would say even more so than other recently released MMOs. The launch (both early access and retail day launch) was extremely smooth.

 

That said, TSW demands  a lot from the player. You are not given everything in your hands to do mindnumbing gameplay. You need to use your brain in this game. Both in order to do many of the missions and also in building your character. You need to look at the abilities you can choose from and decide which combinations will work together for the purpose you want. This part is unforgiving for people who are not used to actually think and tinker. This is where I will say the divide is.

yeah I don't get why people have to find something to HATE with all their strength, after TOR now TSW and GW2 will be next

I like that TSW isn't hand holding and needs you to use your brain, it's a good filter to keep the wowtards away

Originally posted by AdamTM

 

They don't get to be subjective in a review. They are not reviewing this as a fan of a genre, they are reviewing this as a journalist.

Yep, a subjective subject should not be subjectively reviewed.

Wait a min...

Originally posted by muthax

Originally posted by BloodyViking

Oh no, there were bugs!???!!! What a f*****g joke. There has never -EVER- been released an MMO that didnt have bugs. So the question that begs to be answered is, were they gamebreaking bugs? No they werent. There were some quests that were bugged at some stages. Men in Black Vans part 4, Something Wicked last tier and The Black House last tier to be exact. Whoopedeedooo!!!

 

I dont give a shit if you as a gamer dislikes the game, but "professional" reviewers needs a smack when they give dishonest reviews. The fact is that many gamers are becoming very weary of these so called "professional" reviewers because the whole game review "industry" is stinking to high heaven. It's all about those marketing $$$ so they have to toe the line to bring in the bucks. The problem now is that is become so blatantly obvious after the SW:TOR fiasco that gamers should really do their own research and look at what other real gamers think about the product.

Professional reviewers my arse...

 

go check the scores for these games when they released:

- AoC

-WAR

-Cataclysm

just to mention a few (and not counting MW2 and MW3 or UC3...)

total waste of ... web storage

If you like a game play it, if you don't well don't play it?

but don't base your choice on some clown makign a review of something he hasn't played much and doesn't understand completely

Exactly. The trail of gamer tears is becoming long in terms of games not delivering on the hype created by the companies and the reviewers in particular. The companies has an obvious stake in making their game look good and sell well, that is obvious to anyone. But the reviewers are supposed to give a critical take on the game with both positive aspects and negative ones. And with such glaring discrepancies between how the reviewers made the game seem and how the gamers themselves felt the game was, it seems obvious that the suits in the gaming industry has got the review sites by the balls. Meta critic is a good tool to see this discrepancy between the reviews and the average gamers.

Originally posted by BloodyViking

Originally posted by muthax

Originally posted by BloodyViking

Oh no, there were bugs!???!!! What a f*****g joke. There has never -EVER- been released an MMO that didnt have bugs. So the question that begs to be answered is, were they gamebreaking bugs? No they werent. There were some quests that were bugged at some stages. Men in Black Vans part 4, Something Wicked last tier and The Black House last tier to be exact. Whoopedeedooo!!!

 

I dont give a shit if you as a gamer dislikes the game, but "professional" reviewers needs a smack when they give dishonest reviews. The fact is that many gamers are becoming very weary of these so called "professional" reviewers because the whole game review "industry" is stinking to high heaven. It's all about those marketing $$$ so they have to toe the line to bring in the bucks. The problem now is that is become so blatantly obvious after the SW:TOR fiasco that gamers should really do their own research and look at what other real gamers think about the product.

Professional reviewers my arse...

 

go check the scores for these games when they released:

- AoC

-WAR

-Cataclysm

just to mention a few (and not counting MW2 and MW3 or UC3...)

total waste of ... web storage

If you like a game play it, if you don't well don't play it?

but don't base your choice on some clown makign a review of something he hasn't played much and doesn't understand completely

 

Exactly. The trail of gamer tears is becoming long in terms of games not delivering on the hype created by the companies and the reviewers in particular. The companies has an obvious stake in making their game look good and sell well, that is obvious to anyone. But the reviewers are supposed to give a critical take on the game with both positive aspects and negative ones. And with such glaring discrepancies between how the reviewers made the game seem and how the gamers themselves felt the game was, it seems obvious that the suits in the gaming industry has got the review sites by the balls. Meta critic is a good tool to see this discrepancy between the reviews and the average gamers.

yes but the problem with metacritic is that trolls can use it to nuke a game rating, like they did in several occasions

the rating its fair in my point of view, also the metacritic gave it a 73 / 75 http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-secret-world

The game could be a really amazing game, but it is not the gameplay and animations are horrible and dull  and the  pvp leaves much to desire.

All of this makes this game  from amazing to an above average game.

This said the game in the other aspects is really really good.

It is not a game that will appeal to every taste of gamers like myself.

But my review will not be your review until you play the game.

Originally posted by xenpt

the rating its fair in my point of view, also the metacritic gave it a 73 / 75 http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/the-secret-world

 

The game could be a really amazing game, but it is not the gameplay and animations and the dull fighting and pvp makes it from an amazing game to an above average game.

This said the game in the other aspects is really really good.

Hmmm I am not sure I got what you said, but seems you are saying the gameplay is bad and the combat is dull?

have you actually played or just parroting troll comments found elsewhere?

seems the latter or simply you gave up pretty soon

yes i have played the 2 beta weekends i try to play all games and actually i asked a refund to funcom but i understand its a game that will please many fanboys/ gamers but it will not go in a general liking.

I like the game but 70-80% sounds about right.  There's still no ah.  Not all the quest bugs were fixed.

Originally posted by muthax

Originally posted by xenpt

yes i have played the 2 beta weekends i try to play all games and actually i asked a refund to funcom but i understand its a game that will please many fanboys/ gamers but it will not go in a general liking.

[mod edit]

well im giving my  thoughts about the game [mod edit]

Like i said this is my opinion if you dont want it don´t take it.

And i am not an expert but i have played mmorpgs and been beta tester in a very good amount of them so i guess im not that ignorant in this type of matter.