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General Discussion  » You think diablo 3 feedback was a "wake up" call of some sort?

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  Z3R01

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7/12/12 11:19:00 AM#41
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Poison_Adele
Originally posted by Magnum2103

No, considering the amount of money they made off the game I'm sure they don't care that much about player feedback.

Pretty much all that can ever be said on this topic.

I was absolutely ashamed of being part of the gaming community when I saw how massively profitable this game was despite almost the entire community decrying the DRM.

Well done everyone. Way to have some balls.

I was VERY outspoken about how bad Diablo III was well before the release (months even) :(!

 

How come you lumped all of us into such a terrible community :I?

Faded you are an extremely negative person on these forums. Im not surprised that you've been outspoken about D3 as well as a few other popular games. 

 

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  Fadedbomb

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7/12/12 11:24:06 AM#42
Originally posted by Z3R01
Originally posted by Fadedbomb
Originally posted by Poison_Adele
Originally posted by Magnum2103

No, considering the amount of money they made off the game I'm sure they don't care that much about player feedback.

Pretty much all that can ever be said on this topic.

I was absolutely ashamed of being part of the gaming community when I saw how massively profitable this game was despite almost the entire community decrying the DRM.

Well done everyone. Way to have some balls.

I was VERY outspoken about how bad Diablo III was well before the release (months even) :(!

 

How come you lumped all of us into such a terrible community :I?

Faded you are an extremely negative person on these forums. Im not surprised that you've been outspoken about D3 as well as a few other popular games. 

 

It's hard to be purely positive when everything around you is covered in poop. There hasn't been a slightly decent title ever since 2004.

Also, it's very hard to write anything positive when quite a few very vocal minorities constantly preach X game is the savior for the genre, and when you try to make a counter argument to "Best Game Ever" you're labeled as a troll/negative person.

Little unfair don't you think :/? I've made quite a few positive posts on these forums over the years, however they get drowned out by all of the hype-driven threads I frequently try to bring back down to reality. My fault obviously, but the latest era of MMORPG's quite simply are pathetic.

I'm not going to sit there and candycoat everything so people feel better about themselves. That's not who I am. If something is crap I'm going to tell you boldface that it IS crap. I think respec isn't about being overly nice, but about being able to be truly honest about what you think without worrying about how the other person will react.

Additionally, the points I brought up about Diablo 3 being bad are mirrored in that OP's thread on the blizzard forum. Saying that because I'm "negative" means that it has no correlation to me being right is very shortsighted of you.

Would you rather it were different?

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Having a different opinion must mean you're a troll.

  madazz

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7/12/12 11:25:22 AM#43

All these threads about non MMO's in the MMO forum are getting in my way of reading about MMO's! Isn't General Gaming for this kinda game? Sorry to be "that guy".

 

Maybe we should just merge the two forums now?

  nariusseldon

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7/12/12 11:28:45 AM#44

Let me comment on the specifics. Before that i will say D3 is a very fun game, better than almost all MMOs I have played.

1) linear terrain & gameply .. hmm .. Diablo always have linear quests. The issue is if the terrain is random enough. To me, it is random enough. There are some zones with the same lay out, but many do not. If you do a farming run, more than likely you will be hitting dungeon zones with quite random lay out.

2) Enrage timer .. this one i hate. However, with decent gear at the right act, i never hit the enrage timer when i play. Usualy either i win, or i got killed WAY BEFORE the timer kicks in. I only have it kicked in in some multi player games when some other players do not have enough dps.

3) itemization ... pure stat is more boring than proc effects and more interesting properties. No argument there. However, the guy obviously don't know about stat optimization if he says only "main stat + vit + resis". Before the nerf, IAS is king. Now, if you are a wiz, for some builds, you stack crit hit/dmage and arcane power on crit.

In fact, if you read blue posts, people are asking for more than 3 stat filter in AH, because there are builds relying on more than just 3 stats.

4) yes, i hate the nerfing too.

5) hmm .. when you have high level gear, you melt the hordes in inferno. True that i don't feel powerful against elite/champ packs, but i do feel powerful with normal mobs. In fact, it is VERY satisfying to send an arcane orb and it melts everythign in its path.

6) lack of builds? This one he is completely off. I only know how to play a wiz well. Even just for a wiz, there are quite a few builds. Both a blizzard/hydra build or an arcane orb build (i use this one) are viable kiting build. The latest craze is a WW based MELEE wiz build (go read the forums .. there is much info on it). I am quite surprise that a melee build will work for Wiz .. although personally i don't use melee builds since for me, wiz is always about range dps. And if you have enough dps, a disintegration beam/archon build is viable (and fast for farming).

Personally i use a beam glass canon build for act 1 fast farming and a more conservative arcane orb build for act 2 and act 3. Anyone who says there is a lack of build is not playing the game, or reading the forums. In fact, i think D3 has much better build variety than WoW.

And i have not even go in detail variations. I have seen people using teleport while personally i only use diamond skin .. there are almost endless variations.

7) don't have any comment on hit boxes .. it feels fine .. i can dodge some attacks but no others.

8) repair costs is not an issue for me. If i run Act 1 .. i don't die and a few k repair cost is nothing. If i run act 2, i die a few times but never have repair costs more than 20k. When it is easy to get more than a few million gold, repair costs is pretty much meh ... i like it to be lower of course .. but it is not a big issue.

9) too quest based? Not an issue to me. Once you have the area open up, you can go anywhere. In fact, it is customary to start a late quest in the Act, and go anywhere to hunt. I don't have a problem. In fact, i prefer it this way. The first time through the story is more fun.

 

 

 

  Fadedbomb

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7/12/12 11:29:22 AM#45
Originally posted by madazz

All these threads about non MMO's in the MMO forum are getting in my way of reading about MMO's! Isn't General Gaming for this kinda game? Sorry to be "that guy".

 

Maybe we should just merge the two forums now?

MMORPG's fault for treating Diablo 3 like an MMO. It shouldn't have been, but people on here voted for Diablo 3 to be included. A mistake I believe at the very minimum, but that's just me.

 

I'm also "that guy" that constantly asks for lobby based online games (ie: NOT MMO's) like World of Tanks, Huxley Online, etc to be removed.

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  nariusseldon

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7/12/12 11:30:02 AM#46
Originally posted by madazz

All these threads about non MMO's in the MMO forum are getting in my way of reading about MMO's! Isn't General Gaming for this kinda game? Sorry to be "that guy".

While D3 is not an MMO, the play style is close enough. In most MMO, players wait for the dungeon to pop, or solo. That is exactly what you do in D3, except the combat is different.

And also there is a AH, and some simple crafting.

  madazz

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7/12/12 11:39:52 AM#47
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by madazz

All these threads about non MMO's in the MMO forum are getting in my way of reading about MMO's! Isn't General Gaming for this kinda game? Sorry to be "that guy".

While D3 is not an MMO, the play style is close enough. In most MMO, players wait for the dungeon to pop, or solo. That is exactly what you do in D3, except the combat is different.

And also there is a AH, and some simple crafting.

I beat D3 on multiple difficulties, which dungeons did you wait for? Also, in all of the MMO's I have been playing for the last long while I didn't have to wait for a dungeon to "pop".

 

Also, if we are going to add all games that have similar gameplay to an MMO... well the list is going to go nuts. I guess we should add Kingdoms of Amular as that was a single player game with MMO quests. There is absolutely no logic behind calling a 4 player game an MMO.

  nariusseldon

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7/12/12 12:03:32 PM#48
Originally posted by madazz
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by madazz

All these threads about non MMO's in the MMO forum are getting in my way of reading about MMO's! Isn't General Gaming for this kinda game? Sorry to be "that guy".

While D3 is not an MMO, the play style is close enough. In most MMO, players wait for the dungeon to pop, or solo. That is exactly what you do in D3, except the combat is different.

And also there is a AH, and some simple crafting.

I beat D3 on multiple difficulties, which dungeons did you wait for? Also, in all of the MMO's I have been playing for the last long while I didn't have to wait for a dungeon to "pop".

 

Also, if we are going to add all games that have similar gameplay to an MMO... well the list is going to go nuts. I guess we should add Kingdoms of Amular as that was a single player game with MMO quests. There is absolutely no logic behind calling a 4 player game an MMO.

You never wait for other players to show up in your public game?

Many players do small group or solo content in MMOs. Many play D3 like a mmo. Go to a dungeon with some friends, get loot, play the AH. That is close enough for me.

 

  Irus

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7/12/12 12:19:51 PM#49
Originally posted by xdemonhunter

Im really glad i didnt buy it based on all the negative comments i saw from other gamers, i would like u to direct u all to this thread: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037265679?page=1       This is from blizzards own forum and majority of the users seem to agree with everything the OP said.

You're linking something from battle.net forums as an indication of... anything?

You must be new there.

  teakbois

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7/12/12 12:27:42 PM#50

feedback is only valuable if there is a reason for someone to pay attention to it.  Knowing that no matter what you do, a signficant portion of people wont like it means all feedback has to be taken with a grain of salt.  Blizzard knows how many people are on their servers playing D3, thats the ultimate indicator of if a 'wake up call' is needed.

  xdemonhunter

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OP  7/12/12 12:41:09 PM#51
Originally posted by Irus
Originally posted by xdemonhunter

Im really glad i didnt buy it based on all the negative comments i saw from other gamers, i would like u to direct u all to this thread: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/6037265679?page=1       This is from blizzards own forum and majority of the users seem to agree with everything the OP said.

You're linking something from battle.net forums as an indication of... anything?

You must be new there.

Hmm i dont think i did something wrong there.If u wanna see feedback from the player base the best place to look is on it is own forum, sure there are other places to look but i dont see how the game forum would be a less credible source.

  Theocritus

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7/12/12 12:43:56 PM#52

     D3 may not have turned out to be what alot of the users wanted, but bottom line is it made money and that is all these companies care about really.

  Axehilt

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7/12/12 12:50:51 PM#53
Originally posted by Theocritus

     D3 may not have turned out to be what alot of the users wanted, but bottom line is it made money and that is all these companies care about really.

They all chase money, but Blizzard has historically chased money seriously.

Meaning: they care about what you think about this game because it affects their next game's viability.

Plenty of companies can make a short-term buck.  But only quality companies make money game after game after game.  Blizzard's reputation makes them billions of dollars, so I imagine they had hoped they did better with Diablo 3 (otherwise they wouldn't have posted openly admitting that the item hunt in D3 isn't a compelling enough endgame.)

  fenistil

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7/12/12 12:53:41 PM#54
Originally posted by Valua

Fastest selling PC game of all time, 9 million copies sold, hundreds of million of dollars made.

 

If anything, expect more like this.

+1

 

Seriously people you need to learn to 'hold your horses' and don't buy into hype and pre-orders and actually do research before you buy a game.

Until then, meh

  nariusseldon

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7/12/12 12:56:15 PM#55
Originally posted by fenistil
Originally posted by Valua

Fastest selling PC game of all time, 9 million copies sold, hundreds of million of dollars made.

 

If anything, expect more like this.

+1

 

Seriously people you need to learn to 'hold your horses' and don't buy into hype and pre-orders and actually do research before you buy a game.

Until then, meh

 

I did. I talked to beta tester, and did research on the skills.

And i am having a lot of fun with my purchase .. and god forbidden, i am actually positive on my RMAH account .. so that is even better.

I have no problem with the market rewarding good games.

  Badaboom

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7/12/12 12:56:42 PM#56
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Theocritus

     D3 may not have turned out to be what alot of the users wanted, but bottom line is it made money and that is all these companies care about really.

They all chase money, but Blizzard has historically chased money seriously.

Meaning: they care about what you think about this game because it affects their next game's viability.

Plenty of companies can make a short-term buck.  But only quality companies make money game after game after game.  Blizzard's reputation makes them billions of dollars, so I imagine they had hoped they did better with Diablo 3 (otherwise they wouldn't have posted openly admitting that the item hunt in D3 isn't a compelling enough endgame.)

Pretty much this.  The real test is does blizzard think they could sell the same or more box titles of Diablo 4 based on what they did in D3?  My guess is no, and probably blizzards guess to, which is why we probably won't ever see that title.

  nariusseldon

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7/12/12 1:07:46 PM#57
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Theocritus

     D3 may not have turned out to be what alot of the users wanted, but bottom line is it made money and that is all these companies care about really.

They all chase money, but Blizzard has historically chased money seriously.

Meaning: they care about what you think about this game because it affects their next game's viability.

Plenty of companies can make a short-term buck.  But only quality companies make money game after game after game.  Blizzard's reputation makes them billions of dollars, so I imagine they had hoped they did better with Diablo 3 (otherwise they wouldn't have posted openly admitting that the item hunt in D3 isn't a compelling enough endgame.)

Pretty much this.  The real test is does blizzard think they could sell the same or more box titles of Diablo 4 based on what they did in D3?  My guess is no, and probably blizzards guess to, which is why we probably won't ever see that title.

Who knows what happen in 10 years?

However, given the sales, i would bet that there will be a D3 expansion.

  nilden

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7/12/12 1:27:23 PM#58

Diablo 3 was about the RMAH. If it paved the way for every game to have a RMAH for the future remains to be seen.

I know I won't buy any game with a RMAH ever again.

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  zekeofev

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7/12/12 2:06:22 PM#59

I will never buy Blizzard ever again. Period.

  zymurgeist

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7/12/12 2:14:14 PM#60
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by Theocritus

     D3 may not have turned out to be what alot of the users wanted, but bottom line is it made money and that is all these companies care about really.

They all chase money, but Blizzard has historically chased money seriously.

Meaning: they care about what you think about this game because it affects their next game's viability.

Plenty of companies can make a short-term buck.  But only quality companies make money game after game after game.  Blizzard's reputation makes them billions of dollars, so I imagine they had hoped they did better with Diablo 3 (otherwise they wouldn't have posted openly admitting that the item hunt in D3 isn't a compelling enough endgame.)

Pretty much this.  The real test is does blizzard think they could sell the same or more box titles of Diablo 4 based on what they did in D3?  My guess is no, and probably blizzards guess to, which is why we probably won't ever see that title.

 You're going to see not one but two expansions to Diablo 3. The first expansion is well into production. Diablo 4 is a few years off. Diablo 3 was successful far beyond their expectations. After the huge volume of pre-orders they rushed extra boxes into production and still faced shortages. People complaining on forums can't tarnish a level of success most gaming companies only dream about. The only real question now is how well will Heart of the Swarm fare?

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