Originally posted by travamars

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by toddze

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Strange. I don't live in a basement or flip burgers. I also probably make more money than you do. Just because YOU are willing to pay $15 USD a month for games that I consider to be mediocre as far as mmorpgs are concerned does not make you better than me or anyone else.

"probably" make more money than me. If you do, good for you im happy for you. If you do and your such a big penny pincher you should be well retired by now then living the golden life.

Again 15$ is nothing for a month of entertainment.  considering the alternative, crying about 15$ a month wheater its a good great or piss poor game is absurd. Its by far the best value of entertainment, if a person likes what mmo's is offering.

The thing is, why pay $15 when you can pay $0 and get the same thing?  That's what it comes down to.  If 2 games are offering almost the exact same thing, but one is B2P while the other is P2P, why would anyone choose to play the P2P game?   Hence the P2P game would need to offer extra value than the B2P game does not have in order to be worth it.   

It's like paying $4 vs $20 for the same burger.   That $20 burger is totally not worth buying unless it's using something like Kobe beef.  

Same thing could be said for F2P over B2p. Why buy a box for just another cash shop depended game.

That is why i don't buy boxes. There are plenty of fun F2P games. WOW will be my last box/sub MMO.

Originally posted by Larsa

Originally posted by Psychow

Who are these people who say they would gladly pay more than $15 month for a whorthwhile game? ...

Probably people like me.

I don't care whether I pay €10, €15 or €25 a month for my MMORPG. I want a quality MMORPG experience and I would pay to get this quality experience.

How about 50 or 60  month? How high will you go? Maybe that'll be the new thing? High end gaming exclusiveley for those with the means and will to pay for it. Smaller communities, but it will keep the riff raff out.

Originally posted by EvilestTwin

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by toddze

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Strange. I don't live in a basement or flip burgers. I also probably make more money than you do. Just because YOU are willing to pay $15 USD a month for games that I consider to be mediocre as far as mmorpgs are concerned does not make you better than me or anyone else.

"probably" make more money than me. If you do, good for you im happy for you. If you do and your such a big penny pincher you should be well retired by now then living the golden life.

Again 15$ is nothing for a month of entertainment.  considering the alternative, crying about 15$ a month wheater its a good great or piss poor game is absurd. Its by far the best value of entertainment, if a person likes what mmo's is offering.

The thing is, why pay $15 when you can pay $0 and get the same thing?  That's what it comes down to.  If 2 games are offering almost the exact same thing, but one is B2P while the other is P2P, why would anyone choose to play the P2P game?   Hence the P2P game would need to offer extra value than the B2P game does not have in order to be worth it.   

It's like paying $4 vs $20 for the same burger.   That $20 burger is totally not worth buying unless it's using something like Kobe beef.  

Its all about what people want to play. For example back in december it was TOR everyone wanted to play tor. You couldnt play TOR without paying, so thats why people pay. Youll see it again on the next big p2p title too.

Now why people throw common sense away and get suckered in by devs would be a much more interesting topic. Just like this evryone has thrown common sense out with GWII being b2p. No one knows how this game is going to turn out, we dont know how fast new content and updates will be rolled out. We have not seen the side effects of the b2p model yet, but everyone wants to crown it as some pinacle acheivment. Like all MMO's GWII is going to have its honeymoon period. The real test of MMO's starts the 3rd month, after release. Then this topic of b2p vs p2p vs f2p will have a lot more points for discussion.

Does the '15 bux' really affect whether a person is going to play a game or not?

If I am getting an MMO, i'm not really looking at the '$$$'. 

I'm looking at 'how many RL friends are getting this' or 'is it something I want to play'.

I don't mine subscription fees as long as I think it is worth it. Success or failure of GW2 won't change it. For example, now TSW devs say they will be brining new content on monthly basis. If they will really do that and this content is not like 1-2h of additional gameplay, than the sub fees for TSW will be justified for me.

I cant help but laugh at the thread title.

B2P has been a success since video games existed.

In case no one on this forum has been able to figure it out, I'm of the "not a chance in hell, B2P forever baby!" crowd.  :)

IMHO the necessity of subs is no longer valid, so I definitely won't even consider it.

F2P titles and B2P titles are starting to edge out subscription based games in terms of quality, originality and features...

Unless the sub based games bring something amazing to the table then why would I bother?

Id pay if i felt the dev pumped out enough content to make it worth it and released the expensions for free. Why pay for them when i pay all year long for update every 6 months/year ( i played ffxi for 6 years ) but recently the dev seem to work a bit more for their subs ( trion  or Tsw for now  ) 

GW2 has proven how they will conduct buisness with GW1 as far as the cs goes, it would be a bad idea to mix them up with asian f2p or even p2p gone freemium.

I don't like sub games.  The sub encourages the endless repetive endgames we have been saddled with since Blizzavision industrialized the model in Wrath.

GW2 will not change the industry.  Too many people like too many different things for one game to appeal to everyone.  It might encourage others to think outside of the standard box, though.

It's kind of simple if you ask me. It's just like buying a house. Some people pay for the house outright, and from time to time they might still have to pay for a new garage, or addition on the house. Other people rent. If they want to have a garage they still have to pay for it, but they don't own it. They continue to pay rent on it each and every month. As someone said in an earlier post, it's very honest. The honest part is, if you don't pay your rent, you don't have a place to live.

So people can decide who's smarter, the people that buy or the people that rent. 

I thought I wouldn't.. but since TSW I've kinda changed my mind a bit, I'll definately keep trying out some sub mmos now. I plan on spending what I would spend on a sub in GW2 anyway, well.. probably. So far whats been shown in the GW2 cash shop has no interest to me at all.

So far no F2P or B2P game has been able to deliver the amount and type of content that I enjoy so I'll most likely continue playing subscription MMOs. If EVE or the next UO were to go B2P and still deliver high quality content every few months I wouldn't complain though.

Originally posted by monstermmo

I cant help but laugh at the thread title.

B2P has been a success since video games existed.

 

Well even funnier is the fact the thread topic/title seems to have gone right over your head while the rest of us "get it"

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by monstermmo

I cant help but laugh at the thread title.

B2P has been a success since video games existed.

 

Well even funnier is the fact the thread topic/title seems to have gone right over your head while the rest of us "get it"

I agree there....I'm a big fan of the B2P model, but it has yet to be really proven as an option for a "true mmorpg" as most people define the genre.  GW1 was very successful with the model, but it was a CORPG (as many people here love to point out).  The biggest difference between most MMOs and other types of video games is the amount of time an effort put into keeping it fresh for players.  Most games, if they even have an online option, satisfy people with a few static maps and a bug fix or two.

Comparing MMOs and other video games is kind of apples and oranges, as most of us realize.  However, I do think we have arrived at the time where B2P is a very good option for MMO's.

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by monstermmo

I cant help but laugh at the thread title.

B2P has been a success since video games existed.

 

Well even funnier is the fact the thread topic/title seems to have gone right over your head while the rest of us "get it"

I agree there....I'm a big fan of the B2P model, but it has yet to be really proven as an option for a "true mmorpg" as most people define the genre.  GW1 was very successful with the model, but it was a CORPG (as many people here love to point out).  The biggest difference between most MMOs and other types of video games is the amount of time an effort put into keeping it fresh for players.  Most games, if they even have an online option, satisfy people with a few static maps and a bug fix or two.

 

Comparing MMOs and other video games is kind of apples and oranges, as most of us realize.  However, I do think we have arrived at the time where B2P is a very good option for MMO's.

Well this will be my last post in this thread, unless someone directly quotes me, and I feel the need to reply but here it is:

I dont consider these new MMO's really true mmo's if  you do great. I am an old school mmo'er, I see these new MMO's as online co-op RPG's. I dont enjoy the gameplay in these new MMO's, I wont buy the game nor will I pay any sub for this type of game, after all like others have pointed out why buy a game you dont enjoy. I enjoy long term MMO's not 90 day'ers. I dont see GWII being any different. I am not going to buy the game I feel it would only hold my attention for a breif period of time. The only game I see on the horizon that I (I stress I, you may not agree) feel might warrent a sub would be Archeage. But I dont know yet its still far to early to tell, I do not blindly jump on bandwagons, I always take the overly cautious approach on MMO's now.

PS: when I say you in my post I am not directly refering to the person quoted or anyone else.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by evolver1972

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by monstermmo

I cant help but laugh at the thread title.

B2P has been a success since video games existed.

 

Well even funnier is the fact the thread topic/title seems to have gone right over your head while the rest of us "get it"

I agree there....I'm a big fan of the B2P model, but it has yet to be really proven as an option for a "true mmorpg" as most people define the genre.  GW1 was very successful with the model, but it was a CORPG (as many people here love to point out).  The biggest difference between most MMOs and other types of video games is the amount of time an effort put into keeping it fresh for players.  Most games, if they even have an online option, satisfy people with a few static maps and a bug fix or two.

 

Comparing MMOs and other video games is kind of apples and oranges, as most of us realize.  However, I do think we have arrived at the time where B2P is a very good option for MMO's.

Well this will be my last post in this thread, unless someone directly quotes me, and I feel the need to reply but here it is:

I dont consider these new MMO's really true mmo's if  you do great. I am an old school mmo'er, I see these new MMO's as online co-op RPG's. I dont enjoy the gameplay in these new MMO's, I wont buy the game nor will I pay any sub for this type of game, after all like others have pointed out why buy a game you dont enjoy. I enjoy long term MMO's not 90 day'ers. I dont see GWII being any different. I am not going to buy the game I feel it would only hold my attention for a breif period of time. The only game I see on the horizon that I (I stress I, you may not agree) feel might warrent a sub would be Archeage. But I dont know yet its still far to early to tell, I do not blindly jump on bandwagons, I always take the overly cautious approach on MMO's now.

PS: when I say you in my post I am not directly refering to the person quoted or anyone else.

Dare I say I think you and I both seek the elusive "Virtual World" type of online game. 

Also I find it kinda ridiculous that someone would see that one company was successful with their Buy to Play game, and then swear off all subscription mmorpg games because of that.

"Ho boy!  Guild Wars 2 was a great financial success!  I will never pay for any subscription again no matter how much I would enjoy the game!"

lolwut

Is GW1 not successful? I don't see many game company follow the B2P footstep.

That being said, every player likes B2P because its the cheapest.