Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

What an unbelievably stupid reason for not buying a video game.

Amen.

 

It is a perfectly valid reason to not buy or not play a game. These games ARE their communities.

I have left games (Darkfall etc) because of the nasty assed culture I found there, as I did the EU relaunch for Aion. Other games have kept me there specifically for the great playerbase (Guk server in EQ2).

He is asking for your opinion on the community, not himself, and if you are part of that community you are not doing a great job of representing it tbh.

He was asking it specifically about the mmorpg.com forum community. If I did that I would be trying to get a refund for my GW2 purchase.  These forums tend to be for those trashing and defending games (no this isn't always the case, but it would be enough to keep me from playing any new mmo on the market).  After playing the BWE for GW2 I found that the ingame community is nothing like the mmorpg.com community (thank goodness) thus no refund requests.

The main reason I keep bring up GW2 is because it's the only mmo I have purchased in a while and is the next "big" mmo launch, and has pretty much the same white knight issues as TSW and TERA had/have.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

What an unbelievably stupid reason for not buying a video game.

Amen.

 

It is a perfectly valid reason to not buy or not play a game. These games ARE their communities.

I have left games (Darkfall etc) because of the nasty assed culture I found there, as I did the EU relaunch for Aion. Other games have kept me there specifically for the great playerbase (Guk server in EQ2).

He is asking for your opinion on the community, not himself, and if you are part of that community you are not doing a great job of representing it tbh.

He was asking it specifically about the mmorpg.com forum community. If I did that I would be trying to get a refund for my GW2 purchase.  These forums tend to be for those trashing and defending games (no this isn't always the case, but it would be enough to keep me from playing any new mmo on the market).  After playing the BWE for GW2 I found that the ingame community is nothing like the mmorpg.com community (thank goodness) thus no refund requests.

i actually spread it to the official Secret World forums in the OP. i am asking because on the sites i have visited this is nearly all i see. not just mmorpg.com.

Originally posted by unfettered

Originally posted by huskie77

Unfettered,

 

First, the game community is exactly the same as every other MMO I have played. Some decent people and a lot of annoying/jerks. You asking for the information on the very same forum that you feel is bad makes me suspicious of your intent. Seeing that you have no problem with the same community in the GW2 forums makes me even further suspicious.

I hope I am wrong about my gut instinct and that you are simply an easily swayed individual who may be convinced to play or not to play a game by the same people he has concerns about.

that's funny. i have actually had some issues with certain GW2 fanboys around here and you know what? the in game community is much better. maybe TSW will be the same as well as i am hoping, but it's not wrong to be concerned and voice my concern is it? 

 

 

EDIT: thanks foomerang and BigRock.

You were just asking for a buddy key, how do you know the ingame community is better in GW2 than TSW?  Or did you mean that the ingame community in GW2 is better than the mmorpg.com forums?  Its not clear (at least to me).

Originally posted by unfettered

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Pyuk

Originally posted by CujoSWAoA

What an unbelievably stupid reason for not buying a video game.

Amen.

 

It is a perfectly valid reason to not buy or not play a game. These games ARE their communities.

I have left games (Darkfall etc) because of the nasty assed culture I found there, as I did the EU relaunch for Aion. Other games have kept me there specifically for the great playerbase (Guk server in EQ2).

He is asking for your opinion on the community, not himself, and if you are part of that community you are not doing a great job of representing it tbh.

He was asking it specifically about the mmorpg.com forum community. If I did that I would be trying to get a refund for my GW2 purchase.  These forums tend to be for those trashing and defending games (no this isn't always the case, but it would be enough to keep me from playing any new mmo on the market).  After playing the BWE for GW2 I found that the ingame community is nothing like the mmorpg.com community (thank goodness) thus no refund requests.

i actually spread it to the official Secret World forums in the OP. i am asking because on the sites i have visited this is nearly all i see. not just mmorpg.com.

I know what you mean about bad forum communities, but comparing it to TERA or any other game is hard to do (at least to me).  I see them as pretty much all the same there are four types or so, you have those voicing their concerns, you have those voicing the things they like (for whatever reason few people do both), you have those just trashing everything about the game, and you have those that defend every aspect and/or ignore the problems.  To me every game has had a similar proportion of people falling into these categories.  I'm not playing TSW because I found the combat terrible, but as far as the community I don't see any more posters defending at all costs as opposed to any other recent mmo release:  TOR, GW2, Rift, TERA, TSW, etc. they were/are all terrible forums at launch or leading up to launch.

You are pretty new to mmorpg.com it seems.

This is a cesspool where we have posters calling others in the community a fringe division.

What exactly is it that you get upset by, here, that you can not confirm/deny by reading on the official forum.

Is it because we are easily trolled everytime heratless makes his hallelulja gw2 post. Where we have pissing contests over who plays the best game, where we decide if a game is good or not based on the current stock market.

Is it that we are rude, calling other out as... what was it, fringe division.

To be honest, we sting at sight. Or at least they do, those other peoples, not me. I am generally a good poster. 

What is the purpose if this question you ask that contains an insult to us?

I have to agree with you as far as the forums go.  I posted in the thread about how awful the way they did lair bosses was (where it was completely based on luck and extremely repetitive grinding of the same MOBs for hours on end) and I got some really hateful posts from fanboys who probably aren't even far enough into the game to realize what I'm talking about anyway.  Basically just because I brought up a legitimate complaint on how repetitive farming for 5 hours straight (possibly more if RNG is not on your side) to fight a very anti-climatic 2 minute boss fight with 5 people is not good game design and they should consider upping the drop rates (not of the bosses, but the blueprints to summon said bosses), or making NPC or crafting to trade/exchange blueprints for specific ones, etc.  Anything to alleviate the tedious grinding.  I didn't once mention any other games.

Apparently complaining about this made them assume a number of things about my playstyle and personality.  Apparently I've only played WoW and I'm a WoW kiddie who rushes to endgame and wants nothing more to be fed purple loot for doing little to no work whatsoever without any form of "challenge".  What I don't understand is how these people think grinding elite MOBs I can nearly solo with a full group of people for 5 hours straight with almost no variety of MOBs type or any chance of death is a challenge...  I really shouldn't have to justify that I enjoy challenges, but artificial grinds are no fun and I play games primarily for fun (don't we all?).

Though honestly this is very typical of MMO forums.  True concerns and problems with the game get drowned out in the endless noise of haters and fanboys.  Post something detailing what you like about the game and you'll have hundreds of trolls calling you an idiot or fanboy.  Post something you don't like and the ardent defenders of the game will flock in droves to tell you how wrong you are.

Community in game has been average at best at least for me.  Have seen some helpful people and others simply trolling.  Most people seem to go about there own business in normal questing playing the game as a single player RPG though.

Originally posted by Orphes

You are pretty new to mmorpg.com it seems.

This is a cesspool where we have posters calling others in the community a fringe division.

What exactly is it that you get upset by, here, that you can not confirm/deny by reading on the official forum.

Is it because we are easily trolled everytime heratless makes his hallelulja gw2 post. Where we have pissing contests over who plays the best game, where we decide if a game is good or not based on the current stock market.

Is it that we are rude, calling other out as... what was it, fringe division.

 

To be honest, we sting at sight. Or at least they do, those other peoples, not me. I am generally a good poster. 

 

What is the purpose if this question you ask that contains an insult to us?

Heh, I just spent 3 hours shampooing my carpets, I needed a good chuckle.

Originally posted by unfettered

and yet it proved to be a real issue with TERA. before i left i counted at least 200 unique "i quit" threads citing the community. you guys are pretty god awful, but as i said i am hoping it's just on the forums.

You seem like a great guy.

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by unfettered

Originally posted by huskie77

Unfettered,

 

First, the game community is exactly the same as every other MMO I have played. Some decent people and a lot of annoying/jerks. You asking for the information on the very same forum that you feel is bad makes me suspicious of your intent. Seeing that you have no problem with the same community in the GW2 forums makes me even further suspicious.

I hope I am wrong about my gut instinct and that you are simply an easily swayed individual who may be convinced to play or not to play a game by the same people he has concerns about.

that's funny. i have actually had some issues with certain GW2 fanboys around here and you know what? the in game community is much better. maybe TSW will be the same as well as i am hoping, but it's not wrong to be concerned and voice my concern is it? 

 

 

EDIT: thanks foomerang and BigRock.

You were just asking for a buddy key, how do you know the ingame community is better in GW2 than TSW?  Or did you mean that the ingame community in GW2 is better than the mmorpg.com forums?  Its not clear (at least to me).

you're too zero'd in on GW2. i meant the GW2 community is way better than the GW2 forums...

you're a great example of the kind of people that i want to avoid, stop making this about GW2.

I wouldn't worry about the posters on MMORPG, a couple weeks and things will die down, and oh yeah GW2 will come out and they will pounce on it because bashing a new MMO for being a letdown is much much much more fun than playing something you like.

:)

No negative ingame experiences - some folks earned a /ignore definitely but I think that comes with the territory. Dungeons have been amiable, most people are in the learning process. Some occasional RTFM (I.E. read the mission or check google) responses, which I disagree with. Not in purpose but in tone. Afterall what is the point of having a Help channel if you get scolded for using it?

Templar chat heats up and cools off now and then, nothing that makes me too nuts, except the random spoiler in chat! Damn them! Always F*ing up my play experience.. Damnit! I hope they get their face chewed off by a heroin addicted zombie on Elm st.! Bastards!

Anyhow, nah I wouldn't worry about the MMORPG.com community in TSW.

Oh look! The same thread that was being made about SWTOR and GW2 and every other game IN THE HISTORY OF EVER is now being made for TSW.

This is totally new! No game before the most recent to come out has ever had a fanbase with an opinion that was different from those that didn't like it.

Will the wonders of the internet ever cease to amaze? I think not!

I was told for years that the WoW community contained all of the worst people in the world all in one place.

I thought whilst playing other games I would never play WoW because of all the horrible people.

Then a friend of mine in real life asked me to play, I joined the guild he was in and stayed there for the next 4 years. Some of the people I met I still keep in touch with in real life, lovely people, a great community.

The game is what you make of it, if you want to seek out the worst things about it then that is all you will find. If you were to base WoW solely on these forums and the official forums you would be disgusted too, the amount of bile here and there is astounding. It is fun to read though and fun to take part in some forum PvP, you just need to see how much people post here, generally people posting constantly are not playing the game. Statistically a very low percentage of gamers actually take part in the official forums or other fan sites, majority of players of any game simply play it and many enjoy it.

If you don't want to like the game you won't, if you just play it and let yourself decide you will find out if the game truly has this hideous community you speak of.

Originally posted by unfettered

Originally posted by niceguy3978

Originally posted by unfettered

Originally posted by huskie77

Unfettered,

 

First, the game community is exactly the same as every other MMO I have played. Some decent people and a lot of annoying/jerks. You asking for the information on the very same forum that you feel is bad makes me suspicious of your intent. Seeing that you have no problem with the same community in the GW2 forums makes me even further suspicious.

I hope I am wrong about my gut instinct and that you are simply an easily swayed individual who may be convinced to play or not to play a game by the same people he has concerns about.

that's funny. i have actually had some issues with certain GW2 fanboys around here and you know what? the in game community is much better. maybe TSW will be the same as well as i am hoping, but it's not wrong to be concerned and voice my concern is it? 

 

 

EDIT: thanks foomerang and BigRock.

You were just asking for a buddy key, how do you know the ingame community is better in GW2 than TSW?  Or did you mean that the ingame community in GW2 is better than the mmorpg.com forums?  Its not clear (at least to me).

you're too zero'd in on GW2. i meant the GW2 community is way better than the GW2 forums...

you're a great example of the kind of people that i want to avoid, stop making this about GW2.

 

I'm not playing GW2 the reason I keep bringing it up is because it is the game I have bought and have been following so I know what the forum community is like (which is what this whole discussion is about).  I'm not defending anything which was your original complaint also.  I am saying that every forum comminity on this site is pretty much the same, that's it.

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by timtrack

The only problem i have with "the community" right now is all the: "LFM Polaris Elite - must have Q10 epic gear with perfect glyphs and 10 years worth of TSW experience. No noobs allowed." - And the game is about a week old.

There is no community. The chat is broken, still. Most people ignore each other out in the world to a point where they would stand there and watch you get killed, instead of helping out. And then you have the elitist d-bags like the ones you described.

Yup, the community in TSW is just like any other mainstream MMO, no better and no worse.

There are a few fools that actually expect nobody to give spoilers for puzzle quests in General chat, and they get very upset when it does happen. They are masochists, I suppose. Some people will naturally do it on purpose just to provoke them. The only guaranteed way to not see spoilers in General chat is to turn it off, but some people still insist on trying to change human nature :)

I created a new character on the new RP server today. While I was strolling around in Seoul collecting faction lore objects, a player sent me a /tell to ask if I knew where all the lore objects were, because he/she couldn't find two of them. I replied that I did, and offered to show them the locations if they wanted. The other player was glad to accept the help, and I was happy to give it. It didn't spoil anything for anyone, so no harm done.

Had they asked for the same help in General chat, they would have been torn to pieces.

I turned General chat off the moment my character hit the ground ingame. It will stay off until I've completed all the puzzle quests. That way, nobody can spoil a quest for me, and I'll have no reason to get upset. I have guild chat on, because everyone agreed to keep it spoiler free.

@ niceguy: how do you know the ingame community is better in GW2 than TSW? 

you said this and i was responding to it. i've only called GW2's community better than the fanboy forums, i did not say it was better than TSW's in game community. GW2 is mentioned too many times here as i am not comparing the two. first there's the guy who basically calls me a gw2 fanboy with motives and there's this. hope the GW2 line of discussion can be dropped now.

Originally posted by unfettered

@ niceguy: how do you know the ingame community is better in GW2 than TSW? 

 

you said this and i was responding to it. i've only called GW2's community better than the fanboy forums, i did not say it was better than TSW's in game community. GW2 is mentioned too many times here as i am not comparing the two. first there's the guy who basically calls me a gw2 fanboy with motives and there's this. hope the GW2 line of discussion can be dropped now.

GW2 discussion will only stop when it comes out and everyone bleating on about it can be in game playing it!

And all those people will be making me turn of general chat in GW2 because all that will appear in general chat is the following:

OMG so much better than WOW.

No noobs here only pros

TSW sucked balls, this has a better story.

OMG you are playing on a mac are you a fckn noob?

Where are the raids!?

Whats the end game?

LF Group must have XX gear, XX skill, no noobs.

Originally posted by unfettered

so here's the deal, i was looking forward to buying this game in a few days but i am not so sure anymore. the reason is because of the fans. you guys are reminding me of TERA's fanbase alot. i use to hear how good the TSW community was and often that it was a thinking man's game for those with specific tastes, but now it looks like anything but. the forums for this game are awful here and on their official site.

 

any reasonable complaint thread(like the need to add incentives to hold points in fusang rather than just caps which has turned it into a massive cap trading fest) rapidly becomes a SWTOR/GW2 bash over there and here i guess it's just part of the unofficial forum code of conduct.

 

please tell me that this is a fringe division of fans who mainly hang on forums and the game is not populated by guys like this. TERA was not a very good game and the fanboys made it all the more unbearable. TSW looks really fun but people like the kind posting here will ruin any game experience. 

There's no such thing as a good community in an MMO or any multiplayer game any longer.  You might find a good guild/clan to play with, but the majority of players now adays are selfish and rude.  You either learn to ignore them or just give up playing multiplayer games.  Good luck.

Communities have been a leading cause for me to leave a game before.

SWTOR is the most recent and for a reason listed in the OP which is that despite the poor design of Ilum, it was the community that decided to trade kills thus making the experience dull.

It would be like playing dodgeball except everyone is going to take turns not moving and having free throws. For me there were very few days where I had fun in Ilum. There were a few really good fights that went back and forth, but not enough to justify my money every month.

The final straw came when people would message me with insults and threats because I would kill players no matter what group they were in. The irony of being told that I am the one wrecking it for others was laughable. I understand the imbalance issues and whatnot, but I just do not see how a community can justify playing on a pvp server, in a pvp zone while trading kills. If raiding was exploited in a similar manner few people would defend such a posistion.

A community can drive me from the game, but I usually give the game a chance first before making my judgements. Try it out, make your choice and then quit if needbe. Do not seek your reason to dislike the game before even logging in.

Originally posted by unfettered

please tell me that this is a fringe division of fans who mainly hang on forums...

It is.  They're called forum PVPers.

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Originally posted by heartless

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Originally posted by timtrack The only problem i have with "the community" right now is all the: "LFM Polaris Elite - must have Q10 epic gear with perfect glyphs and 10 years worth of TSW experience. No noobs allowed." - And the game is about a week old.

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There is no community. The chat is broken, still. Most people ignore each other out in the world to a point where they would stand there and watch you get killed, instead of helping out. And then you have the elitist d-bags like the ones you described.

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This is just one of those glaring examples of why I am struggling to find games that I like to play. People will just watch another player struggle and die or if you try to help someone that is obviously struggling they often turn on you like a rabid badger.