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7/11/12 6:15:25 AM#21
Originally posted by Pelagato I never played SWG but I know it is nothing like it. TSW does have levels, they just cleverly disguised it. It is not open world, each zone is instanced. There is nothing sandboxy about it. The game quest hubs just like any other. Being quest based = not sandboxy. |
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7/11/12 7:58:46 AM#22
Originally posted by Maitrader Whaaaaaaa?
There have been MANY successful sandbox games. |
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7/11/12 7:59:26 AM#23
Originally posted by Sebber Because sandboxes are harder to make, and thus, aren't made. Why do you think themepark MMOs die so quickly? |
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7/11/12 11:56:18 AM#24
Originally posted by Garvon3 I am led to believe that the general opinion is that for a game to be successful it have to be no:1. How many sandbox games are no:1? I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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7/11/12 1:13:48 PM#25
The only similarity to WoW that I see is the hotbar. If anything, TSW reminds me of Red Dead Redemption. In a good way. In any other game genre, it's the very definition of a sandbox. To MMO players, that word means something different.
TSW's is not in any way linear; most of the game can be played just by wandering around and exploring. It's hard to imagine a less linear game that still includes some kind of scripted mission content. WoW -- especially post Cataclysm -- must be played in a specific order, and a specific way. Even character development is a series of either-or choices. TSW is no SWG, but it's not WoW either. Either-or thinking is part of the reason MMOs are in a rut. |
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7/11/12 1:42:47 PM#26
Originally posted by Terronte LOL! Fantastic quote and explains everything about all your posts. I don't know something, but I know something. |
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7/11/12 3:20:43 PM#27
No not really like SWG. Its not very sandboxy at all. The PvE world is essentially static.
The zones are pretty open and you can wander around without the tyrany of quest hubs jhanging over your head. You can do your own thing a bit more than many other currently released MMOs, but you aren't building a house and making your own shop or anything. You aren't harvesting resources except by killing stuff. |
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7/11/12 3:24:45 PM#28
Originally posted by jdnyc No it doesn't. You don't need to have played a game to know facts about it. That you transformed one sentence fragment into an entirely different sentence fragment does not reflect well.
This is a classic trick to lie and try not to get cuaght at it in the rhetorical arena. You should avoid it. Its way to easy to get caught and when it fails it fails spectacularly and makes you look both dishonest and not that smart.
Not saying you are either of those things. People do this stuff naturally. Just letting you know you are playing with fire. |
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7/11/12 3:33:05 PM#29
Originally posted by Pelagato As a fan and player of both TSW and SWG, my opinion is that that the two absolutely nothing alike.
I suppose one can say that in both games the gameplay isn't directly tied to leveling (in both games you go out experience the content at you own pace and as you go, your skills accumulate at their own pace alongside). But honestly, I think that's a pretty vague reason to call the games "similar". "I’d rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity." Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO |
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7/11/12 3:46:14 PM#30
Originally posted by Orphes Whoever is leading you to believe this is an idiot. Break-free from their influence as soon as you can lest they convince you of all kinds of other stupidity.
Also, you may want to ask this person the following questions and let me know their response:
1. #1 at what? 2. Whatever about everything and everyone that isn't #1? 3. Does this mean that there is only one successful person in the world and the rest of us are all failures? (since there can only be one #1)
Anyhow, good luck to you and be careful about who you let "lead" you to believe things. "I’d rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity." Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO |
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7/11/12 3:49:42 PM#31
Originally posted by Sebber Umm perhaps because there hasn't been a AAA sandbox in oh... 8-10 years?
Its okay ArcheAge will soon destroy the competition. "In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo |
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7/11/12 3:59:48 PM#32
Originally posted by Vunak23 There is one AAA sandbox, it's called EVE-Online, and it's been around for 9 years or so. So no, Archeage will not "destroy" it's competition, given that EVE is it's only competitor in the sandbox genre. |
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7/11/12 4:07:55 PM#33
Originally posted by arieste It's a great answer and all, but you did not for a second think that perhaps he is being sarcastic?
He as in being me, if I have to explain that. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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7/11/12 4:17:10 PM#34
Originally posted by gestalt11 You don't know what a sentence fragment is. Both have a subject and a verb. Save your warning for someone whom cares. I have no fear of GW2 fanboys, not saying you are one of course. It's hilarious to look at the critical posts from some users here and then you read their very non-critical posts on the GW2 forums. To that all I have to say is, the emperor has no clothes.
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7/11/12 4:25:26 PM#35
Originally posted by Pelagato Lol what part of TSW would you consider sandboxy? I fail to find any I cannot see the connection between TSW and SWG. You could have just said that TSW has lots in common with Water Melons, it would have made more sense....... |
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7/11/12 4:30:55 PM#36
Originally posted by SpottyGekko EVE is an aquired taste. Even it isn't traditional in the sense of Sandbox MMO's. It has been around for 9 years but it wasn't a AAA title to start, and even then its not half as popular as some other games out there. EVE has close to 300k people playin/subscibed to it. In UO's prime it boasted numbers of the same margin.
And who said anything about ArcheAge only toppling EVE? I mean MMORPG's specifically. Its the only MMO coming out that actually is a virtual world akin to older MMO's. The GW2 hype will die out when people get a whiff of territory control, city building, ship building/combat. Sieging... all wrapped in a "class" system that destroys GW2's weapon equip system, and TSW's ability wheel. "In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo |
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7/11/12 4:33:46 PM#37
The difference between SWG and TSW are these: SWG was a mostly sandbox, TSW is theme parked. TSW is more akin to SW:TOR in theme parked SWG was good then turned to a pure garbage class game! TSW is good and hopefully won’t cave in to the whining cry babies who are saying it is too hard or the PvP is unbalanced! Shouldn’t happen since George Lucas can’t touch it! |
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7/11/12 4:39:12 PM#38
Originally posted by SpottyGekko EVE is not a AAA MMO, it is an indie MMO which got big because it is original and well executed. The fact that EVE has more subscribers than most AAA crap released the last 7 years should send a clear message to developers (ideas count more than money). Unfortunately this is a message big developers fail to receive........... They prefer to throw millions of dollars on MMO developed by Marketing Directors rather than Game Designers. |
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7/11/12 4:41:21 PM#39
Originally posted by ste2000 QFT "In the immediate future, we have this one, and then we’ve got another one that is actually going to be – so we’re going to have, what we want to do, is in January, what we’re targeting to do, this may or may not happen, so you can’t hold me to it. But what we’re targeting to do, is have a fun anniversary to the Ilum shenanigans that happened. An alien race might invade, and they might crash into Ilum and there might be some new activities that happen on the planet." ~Gabe Amatangelo |
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7/11/12 4:41:27 PM#40
Originally posted by ste2000 QFT! |
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