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  Tierless

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joie de vivre

7/10/12 12:09:21 PM#21

OK easy fix to the me generation players that didn't like this. As said Dragon comes into frame a pop up says join this or leave now.

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  Kaez

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7/10/12 12:11:24 PM#22
If you want only to PvE then you might be playing the wrong game. Just sayin' ;)
  ButeoRegalis

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7/10/12 12:52:21 PM#23

How about a player-controlled "world boss"? In a zone one or a few players get a pop-up if they want to participate and take control of a boss. There could be certain goals set for this player, kill so many players, destroy some pumps, haystacks, while the rest of the population would try to kill the boss. Similar to DEs, the more people participate, the stronger the boss gets, more hom more and better skills.

About the lore problem of open worls PvP, I would say you could always choose to become a brigand. Something like (I think Tera's?) outlaw system.

In that case I would say we need a split of PvE and PvP worlds, though. Or, add a flagging mechanism, where only flagged players could be attacked. Maybe give a small bonus to entice people to flag themselves.

  aslan132

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7/10/12 1:00:58 PM#24

On the PVP side of it. I think it was great fun, and extremely well executed. As soon as i found out i could become "branded" i did so. You actually got deflated stats not inflated. Your skills were replaced with new ones, you did less damage as your own character, and had much less HP. It was more taking on the role of a normal mob, not a boss type mob. Players still had a huge advantage, including some hero NPCs like Rytlok that were invincible and could swipe 20 branded with a single swing. 

 

On the PVE side, theres absolutely nothing wrong with a single zone being put in a temporary PVP state. The greatest thing about GW2 is that the game is HUGE. There are plenty of other zones to explore, even if youre just starting out, you can use any of the 5 races starting areas. The idea that a player "questing" couldnt be bothered to leave the zone for an hour is ludicrous. Mainly because there are no quests in the game, but more importantly the non-linear design of the game, which allows you to go to any zone at any time and never be penalized. In fact you will be rewarded more for your exploration.

 

Anyone who had an issue with this event needs to take a step back and breathe. Even if it makes it to live, it will be very infrequent im sure, maybe a holiday type thing once or twice a year. And the impact on your gameplay is only as large as you allow it to be, get over yourself.

 
  Velocinox

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7/10/12 1:21:41 PM#25

Actually I don't think the participate or leave idea is entirely necessary. They already have an overflow system in place, so they have the ability to spawn extra copy zones.

So make an event district (district was a term for it used in GW1) and a normal district. Players that want the event go to the event district and those that want to finish that particular zone go to the normal district.

This would also show Anet which of their events are drawing the most participants (not forcing them) and provide information on making future events.

I played it and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Unfortunately I got stuck with a pretty terrible branded and died quickly. So it was zerg or get owned over and over, so i swapped back to my character and stood with the few against the hordes of branded, and THAT was fun. they outnumbered us 10:1 or better. We had to stick together and really plan out our spawn captures. It was tough.

By the end though so many people wanted to be branded that it was about 500+ branded vs just 20 players. I thought it was fun being so outnumbered, but thats when I starting hearing the complaints. *shrug* whatever, its just a game.

 

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  gaeanprayer

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7/10/12 1:38:18 PM#26

I actually ignored the game during the times when they had the open PvP events, not my thing. I don't mind if they have them for those that like it though, but if they do, it shouldn't be cross-server. That way people like me who aren't interested can just visit another server for a few hours until the event is over. There, everyone is happy.

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  Cromica

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7/10/12 1:46:36 PM#27

Here some some video I shot of the event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Zh3iU_vqc

 

After I died and became corrupted, my buddies didn't really like being corrupted but I though it was fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP99t0nyLgE

 

and a better look at corrupted norn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVf2PnEqeAk

  Cromica

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7/10/12 1:49:33 PM#28
Originally posted by gaeanprayer

I actually ignored the game during the times when they had the open PvP events, not my thing. I don't mind if they have them for those that like it though, but if they do, it shouldn't be cross-server. That way people like me who aren't interested can just visit another server for a few hours until the event is over. There, everyone is happy.

The way they would do it IMO is a certain zone will be under attack like in the stress test and it will only be that zone.

  pickleballs

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7/10/12 2:20:29 PM#29
Originally posted by QSatu

There were so many people complaining they can't pve without being bothered by this event even though it was only on 1 map so i doubt we will see it very ofthen after launch.

those people can easily travel to other zones of similar lvl without needing to participate if they so choose!

  keithian

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7/10/12 2:42:25 PM#30

IMO these are the kind of things that separate a good MMO from a great one. These types of events make the world feel more alive and less linear. Even as a much more of a PVE type of player, I want things like this in game. So what if I die? Its a game. The advantages outweigh the disadvantages.

 

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  Volkon

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7/10/12 2:45:59 PM#31

Not only was it easy to avoid, but if you were infected and decided you didn't like it you could leave the zone/map and be back to normal. So anyone getting caught unaware, which should have been noone since it was advertised well in advance, was always free to level in the many other zones available. It was incredibly well planned to allow people to optionally take part and a lot of fun. Being chased by four branded on my charr mesmer, especially when one of them was my ten year old son... priceless.

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  grimm6th

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7/10/12 3:47:02 PM#32

I would really like it if, for example, the shatterer gained the ability to corrupt players that die when there are enough people (100+, which is the supposed cap for event scaling), suddenly turning a PvE event into a PvP event.

 

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  Tierless

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joie de vivre

7/10/12 3:53:44 PM#33


Originally posted by Volkon
Not only was it easy to avoid, but if you were infected and decided you didn't like it you could leave the zone/map and be back to normal. So anyone getting caught unaware, which should have been noone since it was advertised well in advance, was always free to level in the many other zones available. It was incredibly well planned to allow people to optionally take part and a lot of fun. Being chased by four branded on my charr mesmer, especially when one of them was my ten year old son... priceless.

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  Yamota

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7/10/12 5:03:27 PM#34
Doesnt fit together to attack each 9other randomly? I beg to differ. people are not a homeginous entity. They comprise of individuals and eoindividuals acan attack anyone, even their own race.
  ThalantyrDSL

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7/10/12 5:40:27 PM#35

I didn't participate in the event, or the stress test, but open world PvP that's mixed in with PvE is the best fun. There's nothing like having to be on your toes at all times whilst questing. It stops people from mashing through the game at a hundred miles and hour then complaining about no content and it just generally adds flavour to boring PvE. Vanguard was, and remains my favourite MMO to date because of how it was set up. No instancing, so people would dungeon crash other parties over and over again. It made PvE and dungeon running so much fun, whether you were the group killing or being killed. I think the GW2 world and system where your level scales based on the area would make for some insanely good world PvP. Hopefully this event shows them how much fun things like this can be and they roll with it some more.

 
  Aque

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7/10/12 5:43:28 PM#36
Originally posted by BadSpock

Gah I still haven't had a chance to participate in one of these events.

Hopefully BWE3.

I do like the idea of structured, objective driven PvP in the PvE world when tied to a big event like this. I hope these kinds of events are semi-regular once the game goes live.

Was always one of my favorite times to be playing WoW was during the pre-expansion world events or pre-major patch events.

Sadly, very under utilized by Blizzard - hopefully not the case with Arena net.

Said for me, I agree.

  austriacus

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7/10/12 7:53:43 PM#37
Originally posted by Thallantyr

I didn't participate in the event, or the stress test, but open world PvP that's mixed in with PvE is the best fun. There's nothing like having to be on your toes at all times whilst questing. It stops people from mashing through the game at a hundred miles and hour then complaining about no content and it just generally adds flavour to boring PvE. Vanguard was, and remains my favourite MMO to date because of how it was set up. No instancing, so people would dungeon crash other parties over and over again. It made PvE and dungeon running so much fun, whether you were the group killing or being killed. I think the GW2 world and system where your level scales based on the area would make for some insanely good world PvP. Hopefully this event shows them how much fun things like this can be and they roll with it some more.

 

This is not open world Pvp and no one was on their toes while questing, no one was doing anything else but fighting these people.

They are not going to do what you are asking to because they already have a plan in how they deal with pvp.

Open world pvp is not fun for the majority of people, thats why pvp servers die so fast, get it through your head you people.

The event was fun BECAUSE it wasnt open world pvp and because its something that if it continues to happen will be very rare.

  User Deleted
7/11/12 4:14:52 AM#38

i will make up my mind  of buying the game after it is in launch mode and 6 months have passed . till than i will stick with wow and see how mist of panderia goes .having blast time in its beta :)

  User Deleted
7/11/12 4:16:01 AM#39

2 or 3 days stress test is very little to make up your mind to buy the game or not

  znaiika

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7/11/12 8:04:33 AM#40

If I wanted to PVP I would of joined a PVP server in the first place, there is a good reason why I don't like such events.

If GW2 are going to do these events I am going to ask for my money back.

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