Originally posted by DJJazzy

Did you ever play the table top RPG game called Paranoia?

 

I thought it was mandatory!

:>

Nope never passed my mind. I think you're mixing up F2P with B2P, with B2P the largest income is from box sales, expansions and cosmetics and boosters from the shop is an adition, in F2P the whole model is focused on getting you to spend money in the cash shop because that's their only income. It would make no sense at all of Anet suddenly goes more down the F2P road because one of their main goals all along has been to proof that a high quality and very fun AAA mmo title can be launched as B2P.

Originally posted by Voiidiin

ROFL !

Ok wow if i was ever intending to test the resolve of the GW2 community i guess this was as good as any others. No that was not my intention but seriously if anyone has read my posts in the past you know i am a die hard GW2 fan, but i post one slightly negative comment and get rude comment after rude comment.

LOL, well i guess i should not be surprised but i am. Regardless, i was really thinking that ANet might have one or both of the races set aside as premium races, i am totally psyched i was wrong. 

Oh well, can't wait till the next BWE and then release. 

See you all there.

There will no such thing as Premium or none Premium in GW2, the game not F2P and No this is not EA......

when would ppl understand this ????

I never thought this, but the OP has a point.

There are a lot of games out there that sell content, bit by bit, and B2P seems to be a new thing in peoples minds. This will take time to fix, lets hope we see more B2P.

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

Well, to be fair... the cash shop for GW2 is a lot heavier already then GW1. They even changed the wording in their FAQ to allow it.

I can understand the paranoia especially with bringing in the hired help that they have to head it up.

I didn't feel it regarding this particular point, but I understand it.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

 

 

Well, to be fair... the cash shop for GW2 is a lot heavier already then GW1. They even changed the wording in their FAQ to allow it.

I can understand the paranoia especially with bringing in the hired help that they have to head it up.

I didn't feel it regarding this particular point, but I understand it.

Except, repeatedly, they told us explicilty that both races would be part of the normal content of the game and would not require the cash shop.

For God's sake, someone from here even got them to answer that directly on the AMA a couple months ago. 

If people spent less time shouting "P2W!" every time they saw a cash shop, and actually took a minute out of their lives to do a google search or two, they might be happier. Just saying.

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Voiidiin

So i had this little voice in the back of my head telling me that Asura and Sylvari were going to be "Premium" races that would have to be purchased in the cash shop to play them.

Anyone else felt this ??? 

Anyhow Yay !! Can finally make my Tree Elf/Man thing :)

Nope never felt this because they've already stated that all races would be available at launch without an additional cost

+1 ....so far Anet is batting 1000%

Originally posted by Voiidiin

So i had this little voice in the back of my head telling me that Asura and Sylvari were going to be "Premium" races that would have to be purchased in the cash shop to play them.

Anyone else felt this ??? 

Anyhow Yay !! Can finally make my Tree Elf/Man thing :)

Ummm, no. I didn't feel this way at all. The only thing I wasn't sure of is if they would be available for the BWE3 event or not ... of course they are going to be available on release.

Dont get me wrong there will be stuff in the cash shop that you will want/need to buy as they are out to make money but i never once thought they would lock races to shop only lol everyone would have pinned GW2 to a cross if they had done that...

Originally posted by Xirik

Two people calling the OP Stupid.. The maturity of this board astounds me.

Only 2? GW2 have hope!!!!

Yap i dont believe that Anet would do that, though it is a possibility...

Originally posted by DJJazzy

Did you ever play the table top RPG game called Paranoia?

Yeah, conspiracies on every corner I tell you.

Great game, but the name really didn´t fit the game because it ain´t paranoia when everyone actually is out to get you...

But selling races really isn´t ANETs style. They will include a race and new starting area in the first expansion though, of that am I pretty sure. Maybe a class as well.

But anets views on B2P is that you mostly sell junk and storage room in the shop and put together all the good stuff in a new expansion.

Originally posted by terrant

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

 

 

Well, to be fair... the cash shop for GW2 is a lot heavier already then GW1. They even changed the wording in their FAQ to allow it.

I can understand the paranoia especially with bringing in the hired help that they have to head it up.

I didn't feel it regarding this particular point, but I understand it.

Except, repeatedly, they told us explicilty that both races would be part of the normal content of the game and would not require the cash shop.

For God's sake, someone from here even got them to answer that directly on the AMA a couple months ago. 

If people spent less time shouting "P2W!" every time they saw a cash shop, and actually took a minute out of their lives to do a google search or two, they might be happier. Just saying.

Not sure if you are refering to me with your last paragraph, but I haven't said that ever so I will just assume you are not.

All I am saying is that the weight of the cash shop has shifted already, and that they have even gone to the lengths of changing the explicit wording in their FAQ to allow it. I am not saying the game is P2W.

Where did their new head of cash shop monetization come from Perfect World or Nexon or somewhere like that?

Plans change. Like I say, I didn't expect the races to be cash shop myself, but I get why others might, especially after the account/ character dye stunt recently.

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

I don't understand, just how much money is a company allowed to make?

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

I don't understand, just how much money is a company allowed to make?

I guess as much as the customer allows.

Which is usually tied into not being seen to be cheating, lieing, or offering god awful value.

Many think a fair and good profit is fine and valid, but feel blatant exploitation and greedy profiteering to be a bad thing.

Hope this helps you understand.

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by terrant

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

 

 

Well, to be fair... the cash shop for GW2 is a lot heavier already then GW1. They even changed the wording in their FAQ to allow it.

I can understand the paranoia especially with bringing in the hired help that they have to head it up.

I didn't feel it regarding this particular point, but I understand it.

Except, repeatedly, they told us explicilty that both races would be part of the normal content of the game and would not require the cash shop.

For God's sake, someone from here even got them to answer that directly on the AMA a couple months ago. 

If people spent less time shouting "P2W!" every time they saw a cash shop, and actually took a minute out of their lives to do a google search or two, they might be happier. Just saying.

 

Not sure if you are refering to me with your last paragraph, but I haven't said that ever so I will just assume you are not.

All I am saying is that the weight of the cash shop has shifted already, and that they have even gone to the lengths of changing the explicit wording in their FAQ to allow it. I am not saying the game is P2W.

Where did their new head of cash shop monetization come from Perfect World or Nexon or somewhere like that?

Plans change. Like I say, I didn't expect the races to be cash shop myself, but I get why others might, especially after the account/ character dye stunt recently.

Wasn't targeting you. More the people you spoke of, that think the shop is P2W and that Anet will sell us our own grandmothers .

I've read the infamous clause in the FAQ. You're right that it COULD open the door to all sorts of shenanigary, but when Anet has say 57 times before and after that change that the Sylvari and Asura would not require the cash shop, no way no how, people just going "OMG we haven't see these two races yet, they must be cash shop!!!!" are just plain dumb. Or at least too lazy to read, or too paranoid to beleive anything.

I get your point, that because some clause in a FAQ changed, it means ANYTHING could change. But if we're going that route...OMG I bet Anet will only let each class have one weapon! And you have to buy the rest from the cash shop! I bet only 4 classes will be free, the rest will be cash shop!  I heard any dye but neon pink is going to be cash shop only!

Really...at some point, you have to take off the tinfoil hat, accept things as they are said, and just be reasonably wary that they COULD change. Not fly off the handle thinking they DID.

And again, I want to make it clear I'm not targeting you in this Vesavius, just people like the OP that make silly assumptions with nothing to back them up.

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by Poison_Adele

That...doesn't make any sense at all.

"Game company that has a good record for not being greedy doesn't reveal every single aspect of their game! MUST BE PREMIUM CONTENT"

Sigh.

I don't understand, just how much money is a company allowed to make?

It's not about how much money they make. It's about the business practices used to get it.

After all, things like on-launch DLC may actually make a game less money, as fewer gamers are willing to put up with it, but it is a greedy business practice. Forcing players to spend more money on the same amount of content = greed to most people. Having optional items that can be bought, but doesn't really effect the game much isn't greed.

I'm going to leave this link here to a video that every single gamer should watch and pay attention to.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/the-skinner-box

After you have watched that come back and have a think about the different mechanics and systems that you have experienced in an MMO and then think about how GW2 has implemented it's content.

If ArenaNet didn't care about the game and just wanted our money it would be nothing like it is now. That is why we know they aren't going down the p2w path anytime soon.

Originally posted by terrant

I've read the infamous clause in the FAQ. You're right that it COULD open the door to all sorts of shenanigary, but when Anet has say 57 times before and after that change that the Sylvari and Asura would not require the cash shop, no way no how, people just going "OMG we haven't see these two races yet, they must be cash shop!!!!" are just plain dumb. Or at least too lazy to read, or too paranoid to beleive anything.

I get your point, that because some clause in a FAQ changed, it means ANYTHING could change. But if we're going that route...OMG I bet Anet will only let each class have one weapon! And you have to buy the rest from the cash shop! I bet only 4 classes will be free, the rest will be cash shop!  I heard any dye but neon pink is going to be cash shop only!

Really...at some point, you have to take off the tinfoil hat, accept things as they are said, and just be reasonably wary that they COULD change. Not fly off the handle thinking they DID.

And again, I want to make it clear I'm not targeting you in this Vesavius, just people like the OP that make silly assumptions with nothing to back them up.

This ^

The thing is, at some point it always comes down to trust.

In order to properly support something as complex & dynamic as an MMO, developers have to write their clauses / promises to be somewhat open ended. They just have to. The flip side is being unable to implement a good change, because they promised something that sounded good on paper, but doesn't work as well in practice.

So, you guys are absolutely right about the cash shop being succeptable to change, and that this change could turn out to be bad. However, Anet hasn't done anything yet to warrant such fears. So, in that regard, you are right terrant. These people would be just paranoid, or somewhat misguided.

Anet is a company that is still devoted to it's fans, and many of the GW2 supporters have even stated that they would be opposed to things like races being sold in the cashshop. If Anet did do such a thing, there would be a huge backlash. That would be a monumentally stupid move for a company that is trying to build itself on a new fanbase. Could it happen? Sure. The important thing is that people are aware of what's being done to the game, and are willing to speak up about changes they don't like.

Originally posted by Voiidiin

So i had this little voice in the back of my head telling me that Asura and Sylvari were going to be "Premium" races that would have to be purchased in the cash shop to play them.

Anyone else felt this ??? 

Anyhow Yay !! Can finally make my Tree Elf/Man thing :)

How dare you say this with all the fanboys around you are just asking to be stoned to death!

Just kidding.

And back on topic - No never felt they would do this.

Originally posted by Voiidiin

So i had this little voice in the back of my head telling me that Asura and Sylvari were going to be "Premium" races that would have to be purchased in the cash shop to play them.

Anyone else felt this ??? 

Anyhow Yay !! Can finally make my Tree Elf/Man thing :)

I thought I was a paranoid conspiricy type. . man. . that never crossed my mind. . but just because we get to test them. . . no reason they still can't hold them back on release amarite!!!!!?