Ummmmmm Nerds playing vidoe games online with that vast amount are without girlfriends , ofcourse the female characters are a bit oversexualized and it will be like that till games are non-existent.

Originally posted by Yellowbeardd

Ummmmmm Nerds playing vidoe games online with that vast amount are without girlfriends , ofcourse the female characters are a bit oversexualized and it will be like that till games are non-existent.

I like how you said till games are nonexistent.

Not until gamers learn to get girfriends (not that I believe that utterly idiotic myth).

Not until there are a lot of women in gaming (there already is, actually).

Leave games alone, please, and don't try to blame typical human problems on some random piece of technology...

Originally posted by Irus

Originally posted by Gajari

Women in real life honestly dress with more exposed than any outfit you'll find in any MMO, period.  Women enjoy when others check them out.

I have never seen a woman buying groceries wearing what some wear in games like TERA or the one mentioned above.

Women do not enjoy being checked out 24/7 and many women do not enjoy it at all (I'm not among that number, btw). Furthermore, a majority's desire shouldn't dictate the situation for a minority in either case.

Furthermore, this is a video game, wtf?

It's not for everyone, sure, but more often than not, when going to the bars, women are dressed scanty.

I didn't realize that my valiant ranger walking through snowy hills was in a bar. o.O And, personally, as a woman, I do not even go to bars. What now?

In general, developers aren't stupid. They know what the majority of people want to see, otherwise they wouldn't be creating outfits in this style.

I don't believe anyone in this thread disagreed that "sex sells" or w/e. That wasn't the question or implication. The implication was that GW2 is indeed trying to sell sex to some degree. It would appear that you agree, while many here argue that is not what GW2 is trying to do.

The relatively few people against it aren't going to be worth a complete change of design, and if they did change the design, people would complain about the reverse even more.

Where would people complain about the reverse and where have they?

You realize GW2 already offers covered armors, right? I.e., GW2 already offers plenty of choices. I haven't seen any complaints saying "there are too many opportunities for females to not look skimpy". In fact, that sounds rather ridiculous.

 

You've never seen a woman wondering through a store in shorts up their cooch and only a top on covering their breasts? I don't believe you.

But that was first point was already covered when I said it wasn't for everyone.

Second point: It doesn't matter about the bar, but the fact that women wouldn't be doing it AT ALL if they didn't enjoy it. Period. It has nothing to do with the bar.

Third point: The developers would be absolutely stupid to not try and sell sex. It's one of the leading sales tactics out there. Even if they don't go overly sexualized, they're still gonna have outfits that appeal in a sexual way. And thus, they have both. Oh wow.  I never said I agreed that they were selling sex primarily when it comes to female characters, but it's in there, and if people are too ignorant to see that, that's fine, but they're not thinking "hey, that looks very protective" when they create these outfits.

The fourth point in my message was meant to convey  that people will argue if the original designs are taken away and replaced with fully covering armor. I never said they'd complain simply because there's no option to be dress scanty just because they'd prefer it and there's no option (even though there have been posts about this in games in the past, but I'm sure you won't believe me about that). Try not to fly off the handle and comprehend what you're reading before responding. But still, since this point was not necessarily relevant, I'll give it to you.

Originally posted by Irus

Originally posted by Gajari

Women in real life honestly dress with more exposed than any outfit you'll find in any MMO, period.  Women enjoy when others check them out.

I have never seen a woman buying groceries wearing what some wear in games like TERA or the one mentioned above.

Women do not enjoy being checked out 24/7 and many women do not enjoy it at all (I'm not among that number, btw). Furthermore, a majority's desire shouldn't dictate the situation for a minority in either case.

Furthermore, this is a video game, wtf?

It's not for everyone, sure, but more often than not, when going to the bars, women are dressed scanty.

I didn't realize that my valiant ranger walking through snowy hills was in a bar. o.O And, personally, as a woman, I do not even go to bars. What now?

In general, developers aren't stupid. They know what the majority of people want to see, otherwise they wouldn't be creating outfits in this style.

I don't believe anyone in this thread disagreed that "sex sells" or w/e. That wasn't the question or implication. The implication was that GW2 is indeed trying to sell sex to some degree. It would appear that you agree, while many here argue that is not what GW2 is trying to do.

The relatively few people against it aren't going to be worth a complete change of design, and if they did change the design, people would complain about the reverse even more.

Where would people complain about the reverse and where have they?

You realize GW2 already offers covered armors, right? I.e., GW2 already offers plenty of choices. I haven't seen any complaints saying "there are too many opportunities for females to not look skimpy". In fact, that sounds rather ridiculous.

 

You must be living on another world...

First, I have seen women in clothing skimpier than any outfit in GW2, and not just at the beach. Of course women want to be checked out, the clothes the makeup. I know my girlfriend gets a little miffed if I dont notice the effort she put into her look.

If you dont go to bars, then how do you know what women dress like? Have you never heard of "clubing"? Among women its a very popular pastime, and they dress VERY skimpy.

Also, the majority have always made the rules, for better or worst, and I doubt that will ever change. We cannot protect evryone just like we cannot police everyone, thats means the crowd wins.

Interesting comparison now that we have Asura character creater videos... Asura females are the anti-Elin. Probably about as non-sexualized as you can get. Sylvari females are also very mammary-challenged, which makes sense considering they're meant to resemble humans, not be plant-humans. Oh, and watching the Sylvari creater... they are so not elves.

Originally posted by Irus

Originally posted by Yellowbeardd

Ummmmmm Nerds playing vidoe games online with that vast amount are without girlfriends , ofcourse the female characters are a bit oversexualized and it will be like that till games are non-existent.

I like how you said till games are nonexistent.

Not until gamers learn to get girfriends (not that I believe that utterly idiotic myth).

Not until there are a lot of women in gaming (there already is, actually).

Leave games alone, please, and don't try to blame typical human problems on some random piece of technology...

Dont you mean typical AMERICAN problems?

Are females oversexualised in movies? In ALOT of them yes.

in music? Yup

in art? Yup

on TV? yup

Point being games are no diffrent than any other form of entertainment. My advise to thoes of you that worry about it is to grow the hell up. Whats funny is its usually some jackass male sitting behind the computer starting these retarted topics. If you think these things offend females I suggest you look up some cosplay pictures. Fat, skinny, hot, ugly, notevensurethatsawoman.....they all enjoy playing dressup in outfits from video games.

Edit. To be honest I think females would be ALOT more offended if in every game they had to wear ankle long dresses with a kitchen apron.

It's not just about females overbeautification it's about entire human and norn faction, nothing strange for GW2 type of game. They made it for mediocre mainstream population its like “Baywatch”, “Melrose Place” or “Buffy the Vampire Slayer” type of shows. ;)

Originally posted by xenogias

Originally posted by Irus

Originally posted by Yellowbeardd

Ummmmmm Nerds playing vidoe games online with that vast amount are without girlfriends , ofcourse the female characters are a bit oversexualized and it will be like that till games are non-existent.

I like how you said till games are nonexistent.

Not until gamers learn to get girfriends (not that I believe that utterly idiotic myth).

Not until there are a lot of women in gaming (there already is, actually).

Leave games alone, please, and don't try to blame typical human problems on some random piece of technology...

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Are females oversexualised in movies? In ALOT of them yes.

in music? Yup

in art? Yup

on TV? yup

Point being games are no diffrent than any other form of entertainment. My advise to thoes of you that worry about it is to grow the hell up. Whats funny is its usually some jackass male sitting behind the computer starting these retarted topics. If you think these things offend females I suggest you look up some cosplay pictures. Fat, skinny, hot, ugly, notevensurethatsawoman.....they all enjoy playing dressup in outfits from video games.

Edit. To be honest I think females would be ALOT more offended if in every game they had to wear ankle long dresses with a kitchen apron.

You're actually right about that.

America is one of the few countries where it's more acceptable to see people being torn apart, than it is to see people having sex. And, little secret, girls like sex & they like being sexy. It's comical how many people don't seem to understand this. This whole thread is really based around a non-issue, targetted at one of the least sexualized fantasy MMOs on the market. To suggest that female players should not be allowed to show skin if they want, is actually more offensive than a game having that option to begin with.

This is indeed an interesting discussion, however (as I answered in the poll) I don't really care, it's a virtual world. IF we should discuss women being oversexualized, turn on MTV, look at Seventeen or any other female oriented magazine. This is where you will find the real problem, not in GW2.

Some armors are sexualized. But other armors arent, so it is fine. In my opinion, sexualization is only an issue when toons are forced to wear sexualized armor and that armor they are forced to wear is sexualized for the sake of having sexualized armor. Thankfully GW2 gives you the player a decent ammount choice. You can be sexualized if you want to, you can wear more modest armor if you want to, you can mix/match if you want to.

It is a win/win in my book.

Well when you think about it why would people find a virtual computerized pixel sexual anyway ? I think some fo you need some serious help.

Originally posted by Mephster

Well when you think about it why would people find a virtual computerized pixel sexual anyway ? I think some fo you need some serious help.

I think you need help for being in serious denial.

Men have been aroused by cave paintings ffs.

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Mephster

Well when you think about it why would people find a virtual computerized pixel sexual anyway ? I think some fo you need some serious help.

I think you need help for being in serious denial.

Men have been aroused by cave paintings ffs.

Yeah everyone is the same as you. You solved everyone elses issue.

Originally posted by colddog04

Originally posted by Cromica

The clothing for the femaies was actually designed by females  so I don't see an issue

lol...

 

Anyway, here's a nice sexy pic for reference...

This is what every girl should wear in real life.

Originally posted by Mephster

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Mephster

Well when you think about it why would people find a virtual computerized pixel sexual anyway ?

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Men have been aroused by cave paintings ffs.

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Yeah, every man sees any kind of female figure for what it is... there are just people like you, who seem to guilt-trip themselves over it every time they fall in line. It's not that you don't see it - you just "don't want to", or rather "wish you didn't" - and would never admit to even having the slightest moment of such.

Which I find deadly strange. Like, you're so macho that you're libido is untouchable unless you want it to be - which is bullshit.

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I'm just curious...do actual WOMEN ever post topics about how women are over-sexualized, objectified, etc. in games, or is it only "concerned men" that post these topics?  These topics are a fairly common phenomenon here, and it seems like they are always posted by men.

I dunno, I get the impression that this stuff bothers men more than it actually bothers the women.  I honestly think that many women probably enjoy looking pretty/sexy in a game.  I mean, go walk through a mall and look at the pictures of models they put up in clothing stores...do those models look prudish and realistic?  No!  They are sexualized, just like everything else.

I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, but I really think that in our society most people, not just women, want to be sexy.

You know, one of the things that interests me in this thread is how many posters are equating sexualization with objectification.

Let's just say you are right. let's say that all the female models in GW2 are 38-12-38 barbie dolls wearing high heels, dental floss, and a few strips of gauze. Let's EVEN say I as a male look at them and find them appealing, even arousing.

So?

Does that mean I'm going to expect women in real life to look like that? No. My girlfriend looks nothing like that, and I think she's gorgeous. And I'd never want her to be like that. Does it mean that I automatically consider all women as being nothing more than a series of conveniently connected orifices for my use, that can even make sandwiches? Nope. I can sometimes see the media's complaint that children are impressionable and might get the wrong idea, but I'm an adult and I am smart enough to know better.

And even IF making bad impressions on kids was the problem here, and even IF little kids were playing this game...that's the parent's job to teach them proper behaviour. Don't blame the game. Blame the upbringing. My parents taught me to reat women with respect. Then I grew up and realized you trat them like everyone else. Because they ARE everyone else. End Of Story.

Originally posted by Creslin321

I'm just curious...do actual WOMEN ever post topics about how women are over-sexualized, objectified, etc. in games, or is it only "concerned men" that post these topics?  These topics are a fairly common phenomenon here, and it seems like they are always posted by men.

I dunno, I get the impression that this stuff bothers men more than it actually bothers the women.  I honestly think that many women probably enjoy looking pretty/sexy in a game.  I mean, go walk through a mall and look at the pictures of models they put up in clothing stores...do those models look prudish and realistic?  No!  They are sexualized, just like everything else.

I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, but I really think that in our society most people, not just women, want to be sexy.

Sexy in the bedroom and at home for my spouse, sure. There is time and place for everything and I believe that far from everyone thinks that it is okay all the time and everywhere.  

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Mephster

Originally posted by GTwander

Originally posted by Mephster

Well when you think about it why would people find a virtual computerized pixel sexual anyway ? I think some fo you need some serious help.

I think you need help for being in serious denial.

Men have been aroused by cave paintings ffs.

Yeah everyone is the same as you. You solved everyone elses issue.

Yeah, every man sees any kind of female figure for what it is... there are just people like you, who seem to guilt-trip themselves over it every time they fall in line. It's not that you don't see it - you just "don't want to", or rather "wish you didn't" - and would never admit to even having the slightest moment of such.

Which I find deadly strange. Like, you're so macho that you're libido is untouchable unless you want it to be - which is bullshit.

~and you're not the only one. I find it very common in American males that are still scared of their penis.

You have a very narrow and shallow definition about men.

I wonder what your definition for women is?