Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 The success of the RMAH isn't based on how many people use it. It will be a success if no one uses outside RMT services. The RMAH wasn't designed to make money. If you look at what they've been doing with the game since launch  you'll realize every move brings down prices on the RMAH and make it less profitable.

That doesn't make sense at all.  They want to make money from the RMAH.

What is every move?  Prices are going down mainly because it was new and people was still learning the value   Yeah blizz up'd the drop chance for ilvl 61+ items but then they nerfed the ability to get good stat rolls for those items.  The good items are still going for around 60-100 bucks which is plan retarded considering you only pay 60 bucks for the game

  Who says they want to make money from the auction house? Not Blizzard, they said quite the opposite. Most people just missed that because they were too busy yelling about the auction house. Prices are going down because the game is being flooded with items. Everything they have done is to increase the supply of items and decrease inflation of gold. If you look at the items that are selling it's mostly  in the 6-10 dollar range. The 60 -100 dollar range items are the rarest or don't sell at all. When the auction house forst opened people were trying to sell mediocre items for $250.

Originally posted by jeremyjodes

I'm surprised you guys are finally getting this. don't be fooled and think this is just for D3/Titan. this is coming to world of warcraft. they're already are testing the black market AH for the kung-fu panda expansion.

And after that, everyone that loves to copy blizzard will be adding one as well.

see if you look at life like george carlin you will see the big picture. go youtube the mans comedy.he speaks about the greedy bastards.

 

Don't think that "blizzard will loose everyone if it's in Wow" wrong! blizzard will make so much money they will become their own bank.

 It's coming to every battlenet game. They're murdering the RMT black market. Goldsellers are giving up farming in D3.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

  Who says they want to make money from the auction house? Not Blizzard, they said quite the opposite. Most people just missed that because they were too busy yelling about the auction house. Prices are going down because the game is being flooded with items. Everything they have done is to increase the supply of items and decrease inflation of gold. If you look at the items that are selling it's mostly  in the 6-10 dollar range. The 60 -100 dollar range items are the rarest or don't sell at all. When the auction house forst opened people were trying to sell mediocre items for $250.

The 15% cut from all the auctions say that want to make money.  It's common sense that they would want to make money from it, if they said anything different then they are blowing smoke up your @$$.  They are a business they entire purpose is to make money.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

   It's coming to every battlenet game. They're murdering the RMT black market. Goldsellers are giving up farming in D3.

Gold farmers own the general chat now, I wish they would give up.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

  Who says they want to make money from the auction house? Not Blizzard, they said quite the opposite. Most people just missed that because they were too busy yelling about the auction house. Prices are going down because the game is being flooded with items. Everything they have done is to increase the supply of items and decrease inflation of gold. If you look at the items that are selling it's mostly  in the 6-10 dollar range. The 60 -100 dollar range items are the rarest or don't sell at all. When the auction house forst opened people were trying to sell mediocre items for $250.

 

The 15% cut from all the auctions say that want to make money.  It's common sense that they would want to make money from it, if they said anything different then they are blowing smoke up your @$$.  They are a business they entire purpose is to make money.

 

Originally posted by zymurgeist

   It's coming to every battlenet game. They're murdering the RMT black market. Goldsellers are giving up farming in D3.

Gold farmers own the general chat now, I wish they would give up.

 $1 per item is what they make. Common sense is rarely common and almost never sensible. Their purpose is to make money. They do it by selling games.

There is currently one gold spammer in general chat and 96 people ignoring him. There used to be so many you couldn't even see the crap rolling by.

Originally posted by Berikai

Imo it's looking more and more like Blizz is just using D3 as an experiment to see how real money auctions would go over when they release Titan.Set the groundwork and see how people accept it,then take it further in the next mmo.

It's the future unfortunately imo,but I guess greed has no bound's.

absolutely just look at our economy. it is a test it's become obvious now.

The easiest way to eliminate these ideas. Don't buy the products. Reading the posts, half of the posters are part of the problem, they consistently buy the products from these companies. IF you buy the product  , you really dont have room to discuss anything about what that product does now or in the future specifically when it comes to Blizzard.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 $1 per item is what they make. Common sense is rarely common and almost never sensible. Their purpose is to make money. They do it by selling games.

There is currently one gold spammer in general chat and 96 people ignoring him. There used to be so many you couldn't even see the crap rolling by.

Re-read the auction house Q&A.  If you keep it as blizzard cash and only spend it with them then they do not charge you 15%, if you move it to paypal then they charge you 15%.

Last time I played general chat was unusable.  They fixed it for a little bit but then the spammers came back... what makes you think they won't be back again?

Forum post on 15% cut on auctions: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978860394?page=1

and from their offical website:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/items/auction-house#fees

 Before you post your auction, you’ll see any fees that apply to your listing displayed in the center section of the Sell tab. These fees will only be charged if your auction successfully sells, and will automatically be deducted from the item’s final selling price.

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

Thank you Blizzard for saving us from the black pixel market. Thank you Blizz for charging your die hard fans $36 or what ever it is to watch Blizzcon over the net.

Blizz your unselfish generosity towards your loyal fanbase never  cease's to amaze me.

ROFL

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 $1 per item is what they make. Common sense is rarely common and almost never sensible. Their purpose is to make money. They do it by selling games.

There is currently one gold spammer in general chat and 96 people ignoring him. There used to be so many you couldn't even see the crap rolling by.

Re-read the auction house Q&A.  If you keep it as blizzard cash and only spend it with them then they do not charge you 15%, if you move it to paypal then they charge you 15%.

Last time I played general chat was unusable.  They fixed it for a little bit but then the spammers came back... what makes you think they won't be back again?

 

Forum post on 15% cut on auctions: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978860394?page=1

and from their offical website:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/items/auction-house#fees

 Before you post your auction, you’ll see any fees that apply to your listing displayed in the center section of the Sell tab. These fees will only be charged if your auction successfully sells, and will automatically be deducted from the item’s final selling price.

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Link or proof?  From other transactions paypal only charges 2-3% but we have no idea how much blizzard gets, why are you claiming that you know?  Seriously stop being a tool bro, blizzard is in it to make money and if they are not making money from RMAH then they will change it so that they are.

They didn't make their money by just selling games, they made it with subs and other services.   They are looking for a revenue stream and RMAH is that source.  How else are they going to pay for the constant patches and balance tweaks?

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 $1 per item is what they make. Common sense is rarely common and almost never sensible. Their purpose is to make money. They do it by selling games.

There is currently one gold spammer in general chat and 96 people ignoring him. There used to be so many you couldn't even see the crap rolling by.

Re-read the auction house Q&A.  If you keep it as blizzard cash and only spend it with them then they do not charge you 15%, if you move it to paypal then they charge you 15%.

Last time I played general chat was unusable.  They fixed it for a little bit but then the spammers came back... what makes you think they won't be back again?

 

Forum post on 15% cut on auctions: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978860394?page=1

and from their offical website:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/items/auction-house#fees

 Before you post your auction, you’ll see any fees that apply to your listing displayed in the center section of the Sell tab. These fees will only be charged if your auction successfully sells, and will automatically be deducted from the item’s final selling price.

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

 LOL do you honestly believe that the RMAH is not a moneymaker for Blizzard?  Really?

I just read in the OP's article that Blizzard takes $1 out of EVERY TRANSACTION involving an equippable item.  And remember, trading items on the AH takes NO WORK on Blizz's part.  Once they set up the AH, it's just a money making machine.  How can you honestly say that the RMAH isn't a moneymaker after knowing this?

And in your previous post I saw you saying that Blizz has "murdered" the gold selling black market with it's legitimate RMT.  That's like a government saying that it has completely stopped illegal gun trafficking by making every gun legal.  Great success lol.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 $1 per item is what they make. Common sense is rarely common and almost never sensible. Their purpose is to make money. They do it by selling games.

There is currently one gold spammer in general chat and 96 people ignoring him. There used to be so many you couldn't even see the crap rolling by.

Re-read the auction house Q&A.  If you keep it as blizzard cash and only spend it with them then they do not charge you 15%, if you move it to paypal then they charge you 15%.

Last time I played general chat was unusable.  They fixed it for a little bit but then the spammers came back... what makes you think they won't be back again?

 

Forum post on 15% cut on auctions: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5978860394?page=1

and from their offical website:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/guide/items/auction-house#fees

 Before you post your auction, you’ll see any fees that apply to your listing displayed in the center section of the Sell tab. These fees will only be charged if your auction successfully sells, and will automatically be deducted from the item’s final selling price.

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)
* Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
* Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

 You seem like an intelligent person, but some of your statements just seem completely naive.

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Link or proof?  From other transactions paypal only charges 2-3% but we have no idea how much blizzard gets, why are you claiming that you know?  Seriously stop being a tool bro, blizzard is in it to make money and if they are not making money from RMAH then they will change it so that they are.

They didn't make their money by just selling games, they made it with subs and other services.   They are looking for a revenue stream and RMAH is that source.  How else are they going to pay for the constant patches and balance tweaks?

 Hilarious isnt it.

15% is highway robbery. Credit card companies charge businesses about 2% on transactions and I'm sure they have to deal with as much chargebacks, fraud and a miriad of other problems. In the end they still make money hand over fist.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

He's got it wrong. They'll be releasing the abitity for players to buy and SELL gold and commmodities through the RMAH. Blizzard won't be selling anything. Oh and on commodities Blizzard gets 15% on each auction and 15% to cash out given to paypal.  That was always the plan. They announced it months ago. So if you're just getting mad now you're late.

Very naive fanboyism.

Diablo 3 auction house is anonymous. You never know who the seller is.

Why Blizzard wont sell and get the 100% profit ? Is just a cash shop disguised as AH.

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Link or proof?  From other transactions paypal only charges 2-3% but we have no idea how much blizzard gets, why are you claiming that you know?  Seriously stop being a tool bro, blizzard is in it to make money and if they are not making money from RMAH then they will change it so that they are.

They didn't make their money by just selling games, they made it with subs and other services.   They are looking for a revenue stream and RMAH is that source.  How else are they going to pay for the constant patches and balance tweaks?

 Hilarious isnt it.

15% is highway robbery. Credit card companies charge businesses about 2% on transactions and I'm sure they have to deal with as much chargebacks, fraud and a miriad of other problems. In the end they still make money hand over fist.

 When you add in merchant fees, swipe fees, fraud, and other costs it can run as much as 150% to as low as 5% depending on the transaction size. The markup in stores is 35% on average to over 300% depending on the item. So how is 15%, most of which paypal gets, highway robbery?  You're "sure" they make money hand over fist but it's peanuts compared to what they make from game sales. So what business are you in because I'm in retail. I deal with this every day.

Originally posted by Badaboom
I can understand buying games and subscription for new content in an ever evolving gaming world. I just can't understand how people can spend real money for imaginary items.

... the same way you use your logic to pay real money to play imaginary stories (games.

Did I made that clear for you, or you need further explanation ?

Why does it matter what percent Blizzard gets? If you start with zero and you receive 85%, that is more than zero.

Sounds to me the true GREEDY ones are the people complaining. Just don't play then and leave the 'paltry" 85% to those that aren't as greedy as you...

Why are you all so shocked and mortified? is it because blizzard are doing it?

CCP has been doing htis for years, but instead it has a middle ground called a PLEX. By the PLEX from website, get it in game and sell it for ingame currency, pretty much the same darn thing.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Link or proof?  From other transactions paypal only charges 2-3% but we have no idea how much blizzard gets, why are you claiming that you know?  Seriously stop being a tool bro, blizzard is in it to make money and if they are not making money from RMAH then they will change it so that they are.

They didn't make their money by just selling games, they made it with subs and other services.   They are looking for a revenue stream and RMAH is that source.  How else are they going to pay for the constant patches and balance tweaks?

 Hilarious isnt it.

15% is highway robbery. Credit card companies charge businesses about 2% on transactions and I'm sure they have to deal with as much chargebacks, fraud and a miriad of other problems. In the end they still make money hand over fist.

 When you add in merchant fees, swipe fees, fraud, and other costs it can run as much as 150% to as low as 5% depending on the transaction size. The markup in stores is 35% on average to over 300% depending on the item. So how is 15%, most of which paypal gets, highway robbery?  You're "sure" they make money hand over fist but it's peanuts compared to what they make from game sales. So what business are you in because I'm in retail. I deal with this every day.

 I'm a partner in a manufacturing and fabricating business, I pay freelance salesmen 8% commission and they take care of their own expenses and they do very well for themselves.

We also sell certain widgets to the public and take credit and debit cards, the credit card companies take 2.25% of the sale as their transaction fee. I'd like to see them try and take 15% as I could guess as to what business's would tell them they could do with their card's.

Your right about retail markup's, retail can be a tough business. Some merchant's have to sell things at 300% to be able to make a profit, You wouldnt believe the rent that some of them have to pay $50-$60 a square foot is not uncommon and depending on location it could be a lot more then that.

To put it bluntly 15% is highway robbery, it's a leagal racket, Just like charging young dumbass's over 50% interest on a payday loan.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Link or proof?  From other transactions paypal only charges 2-3% but we have no idea how much blizzard gets, why are you claiming that you know?  Seriously stop being a tool bro, blizzard is in it to make money and if they are not making money from RMAH then they will change it so that they are.

They didn't make their money by just selling games, they made it with subs and other services.   They are looking for a revenue stream and RMAH is that source.  How else are they going to pay for the constant patches and balance tweaks?

 Hilarious isnt it.

15% is highway robbery. Credit card companies charge businesses about 2% on transactions and I'm sure they have to deal with as much chargebacks, fraud and a miriad of other problems. In the end they still make money hand over fist.

 When you add in merchant fees, swipe fees, fraud, and other costs it can run as much as 150% to as low as 5% depending on the transaction size. The markup in stores is 35% on average to over 300% depending on the item. So how is 15%, most of which paypal gets, highway robbery?  You're "sure" they make money hand over fist but it's peanuts compared to what they make from game sales. So what business are you in because I'm in retail. I deal with this every day.

So when i put up something on the ah, i will get gold/money regardless of it selling? I wont. That is not a retailer. They are providing a service, like banks or brokers. A <10% fee would be much more appropriate. They already have the money people have on the battle.net balance, it would not be off topic to ask for people with a certain amount of cash there to pay no fees at all, you know, like a real bank, comes with the territory...

And it is not peanuts either, every time someone buys or sells a item on the rmah, someone had to give blizz the money first.

Flame on!

:)

Originally posted by Banaghran

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by laserit

Originally posted by sapphen

Originally posted by zymurgeist

 Except Blizzard doesn't get 15%. Paypal gets most of it as part of their agreement not to hold Blizzard liable for chargebacks and customer fraud on game items. Since so many people do not try to cash out but just use their  profits to buy game items on the auction house they never pay the 15% anyway. It's not a moneymaker for Blizzard.

Link or proof?  From other transactions paypal only charges 2-3% but we have no idea how much blizzard gets, why are you claiming that you know?  Seriously stop being a tool bro, blizzard is in it to make money and if they are not making money from RMAH then they will change it so that they are.

They didn't make their money by just selling games, they made it with subs and other services.   They are looking for a revenue stream and RMAH is that source.  How else are they going to pay for the constant patches and balance tweaks?

 Hilarious isnt it.

15% is highway robbery. Credit card companies charge businesses about 2% on transactions and I'm sure they have to deal with as much chargebacks, fraud and a miriad of other problems. In the end they still make money hand over fist.

 When you add in merchant fees, swipe fees, fraud, and other costs it can run as much as 150% to as low as 5% depending on the transaction size. The markup in stores is 35% on average to over 300% depending on the item. So how is 15%, most of which paypal gets, highway robbery?  You're "sure" they make money hand over fist but it's peanuts compared to what they make from game sales. So what business are you in because I'm in retail. I deal with this every day.

So when i put up something on the ah, i will get gold/money regardless of it selling? I wont. That is not a retailer. They are providing a service, like banks or brokers. A <10% fee would be much more appropriate. They already have the money people have on the battle.net balance, it would not be off topic to ask for people with a certain amount of cash there to pay no fees at all, you know, like a real bank, comes with the territory...

And it is not peanuts either, every time someone buys or sells a item on the rmah, someone had to give blizz the money first.

Flame on!

:)

 

 Blizzard isn't a bank. They don't lend out depositor money or invest it to make a profit. How much of a fee is appropriate depends on overhead. Doing a lot of small transactions carries a high overhead. The money goes in the money goes out. The volume, size, and percentages of these transactions are peanuts.