A simple piece of advice:

If you decide you want to try Eve, the instant you launch from the station, immediately get the hell out of the 1.0 security system. Once you've done that, find a player corporation, join, and let them teach you. That's how I survived. I still fell for the occassional gate camp and such but was able to progress much farther than I otherwise would have. There are some really great groups of folks if you can find them.

 NEVER, EVER assume at ANY time in ANY place that you are safe, safety is purely an illusion in Eve.  There are players that will gladly sacrifice a ship worth many time what yours is just to get a "kill mail".  I say "sacrifice" because after they've killed you the local police will kill them.

The graphics, animations, variety, sounds, etc. are all excellent.  The game has very few bugs compared to others I've played and those that are present are not as "game breaking" as some I've run into in other games.

What follows is not an attack on anyone, except perhaps CCP.  What follows is essentially, "here's what I saw, maybe you'll see it differently".

(I put that first because I know the trolls will pounce the instant I post)

When I first read about Eve I thought it sounded really cool, reminded me of the old game, Starflight.  Exploring uncharted space, meeting alien species, discovering ancient civilizations and technology, etc.

A bunch of us from SWG went to Eve, we were instantly set upon by gankers and greifers.  You can't run the tutorial missions because more experienced players that want to ruin your day are constantly harrassing you.  Those experienced players know all the tutorial missions, they know Eve has a large learning curve, and they will use it against you every step of the way.  Don't bother filing a complaint because you won't like the response you get from CCP.  Many existing players see new players as nothing but intruders and CCP apparently agrees with them.  I made the mistake of filing a complaint the one time I fell for one of the tricks called "can-flipping".  I was in a system I was assured was safe from griefers by the moderator in the "Help" channel.  The response I got from CCP was actually rude.  Of those that moved with me from SWG, I was the only one left after two days.  I've never been a PvPer but most of the others were.

The advertisements talk about all the 1000s of star systems and all the stuff you can do. Well forget it, you will never see most of it. You will spend the vast majority of your time trying not to fall victim to other players whose only goal is to ruin your day.

Think about every jerk, griefer, cheater, and crook you ever heard of that go kicked or banned from another game.  You know they didn't quit playing games, they are all thriving in Eve.

After a year I finally gave up trying to play Eve the way I wanted to.  If you are willing to play to the least common denominator then you'll do fine.  I just don't have it in my make up to spend all my time either dreaming up new ways to screw people over or continually battling others trying to screw me over.  Believe me, there are some folks that are HIGHLY talented at ruining your day.

Just realize that very few of the challenges you will face are from Eve itself, they will be from other players.

Oh please... so much fearmongering and weird advice. Oh, you don't even play EVE. That explains a lot.

I'm a casual who plays EVE, so let's go here...

Originally posted by Chemist18

If you decide you want to try Eve, the instant you launch from the station, immediately get the hell out of the 1.0 security system.

Err, why the fuck? A new player should DEFINITELY do the EVE tutorials...

Once you've done that, find a player corporation, join, and let them teach you.

No. Seriously. No. FUCK NO. The probability that you will randomly find a good corp that will teach you shit when you do not know how the game works is extremely low. On the other hand, being in a player corp opens you up to griefing by that very corp, it opens you up to war decs, and can often put your gameplay in their control.

The only exception to this is EVE Uni. They're safe and will actually teach you. But it's not necessary for every new player to join EVE Uni. And EVE Uni also gets war decced every 5 minutes.

In fact, I'd recommend to stick around in an NPC corp for quite a while. The NPC corp can be very helful answering questions, as well, and you won't find yourself stuck in stupid fleets or wardecs trying to make the corp happy constantly.

 NEVER, EVER assume at ANY time in ANY place that you are safe, safety is purely an illusion in Eve.

Fear is the mindkiller.

EVE works on probabilities, just like real life. Yes, a giant asteroid can hit my house, it doesn't mean I walk around waiting an asteroid to hit me. EVE is the same. The probability that someone is going to suicide gank a newbie is slim to none. Furthermore, newbie griefing (via flip cans) is now a bannable offense, and the first flip can will usually teach people not to flip cans. There's a warning there, too. It's not a catastrophe. What are you going to lose, a reaper, a rifter, at most? The sooner a new player gets accustomed to losing stuff, the better.

1.0 is effectively safe.

.5 is effectively safe.

The above systems can become very un-safe if you join a player corp or FW, tho.

<.5 is much more risky. Doesn't mean you can't go there.

0.0 has bubbles, don't go there in a valuable pod unless you have a scout.

But none of these are newbie constraints. Newbies have the advantage that they have nothing valuable to lose. They can stroll into w/e as long as they have a secure clone. And to know what a secure clone is they have to do those tutorials.

A bunch of us from SWG went to Eve, we were instantly set upon by gankers and greifers.  You can't run the tutorial missions because more experienced players that want to ruin your day are constantly harrassing you.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're extremely unlucky or something (or maybe EVE was different then). I've restarted numerous characters and never what you describe had happened.

Don't bother filing a complaint because you won't like the response you get from CCP.

Because CCP bans newbie griefers now. What version of EVE are you playing, something from 2005?

The advertisements talk about all the 1000s of star systems and all the stuff you can do. Well forget it, you will never see most of it. You will spend the vast majority of your time trying not to fall victim to other players whose only goal is to ruin your day.

More fear mongering...

Originally posted by Irus

Oh please... so much fearmongering and weird advice. Oh, you don't even play EVE. That explains a lot.

I'm a casual who plays EVE, so let's go here...

Originally posted by Chemist18

If you decide you want to try Eve, the instant you launch from the station, immediately get the hell out of the 1.0 security system.

Err, why the fuck? A new player should DEFINITELY do the EVE tutorials...

Once you've done that, find a player corporation, join, and let them teach you.

No. Seriously. No. FUCK NO. The probability that you will randomly find a good corp that will teach you shit when you do not know how the game works is extremely low. On the other hand, being in a player corp opens you up to griefing by that very corp, it opens you up to war decs, and can often put your gameplay in their control.

The only exception to this is EVE Uni. They're safe and will actually teach you. But it's not necessary for every new player to join EVE Uni. And EVE Uni also gets war decced every 5 minutes.

In fact, I'd recommend to stick around in an NPC corp for quite a while. The NPC corp can be very helful answering questions, as well, and you won't find yourself stuck in stupid fleets or wardecs trying to make the corp happy constantly.

 NEVER, EVER assume at ANY time in ANY place that you are safe, safety is purely an illusion in Eve.

Fear is the mindkiller.

EVE works on probabilities, just like real life. Yes, a giant asteroid can hit my house, it doesn't mean I walk around waiting an asteroid to hit me. EVE is the same. The probability that someone is going to suicide gank a newbie is slim to none. Furthermore, newbie griefing (via flip cans) is now a bannable offense, and the first flip can will usually teach people not to flip cans. There's a warning there, too. It's not a catastrophe. What are you going to lose, a reaper, a rifter, at most? The sooner a new player gets accustomed to losing stuff, the better.

1.0 is effectively safe.

.5 is effectively safe.

The above systems can become very un-safe if you join a player corp or FW, tho.

<.5 is much more risky. Doesn't mean you can't go there.

0.0 has bubbles, don't go there in a valuable pod unless you have a scout.

But none of these are newbie constraints. Newbies have the advantage that they have nothing valuable to lose. They can stroll into w/e as long as they have a secure clone. And to know what a secure clone is they have to do those tutorials.

A bunch of us from SWG went to Eve, we were instantly set upon by gankers and greifers.  You can't run the tutorial missions because more experienced players that want to ruin your day are constantly harrassing you.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're extremely unlucky or something (or maybe EVE was different then). I've restarted numerous characters and never what you describe had happened.

Don't bother filing a complaint because you won't like the response you get from CCP.

Because CCP bans newbie griefers now. What version of EVE are you playing, something from 2005?

The advertisements talk about all the 1000s of star systems and all the stuff you can do. Well forget it, you will never see most of it. You will spend the vast majority of your time trying not to fall victim to other players whose only goal is to ruin your day.

More fear mongering...

No, you are the one who is wrong. That or you are deliberately lying. Log into any starter area and you will see containers right outside the stations trying get newbies griefed. The local chat is also flooded by scammers trying to cheat the new players out of what little they have.

Out of interest I just logged in an popped over to amaar prime. Yup, containers right outside the station (with newbie wrecks right next to them) and the usual 'double your isk, no risk!' crap in local.

The OP is right. Always assume everyone in eve is out to grief you, kill you or scam you when you first start. Chances are will be and quickly if you follow any of the advice from Irus.

The open and widespread hostility to newbies in Eve is the first and biggest hurdle any new player will face. If you can get past the first month unscathed you will enjoy the game a great deal more. Most players (from CCPs own admission) do not make it that far.

I appreciate that you didn't come right out with name calling.

As far as playing Eve, my subscription expires in four days.

I started playing Eve in mid 2011.  As for player tutorials and such, being in the 1.0 system makes you easier to find.  I found an Excellent Player corporation, FLIC.  I found some excellent player corps in 0.0 as well, TSOE and Slumdogs to name two.  As for banning griefers, I've not hear of a single case where one was banned.  At one point we had some new players that were in a 1.0 system that were harrassed for two days by several attack frigates.  Several of us arrived in the 1.0 system to see about helping them out, the frigates docked and out came a Rattlesnake among others.

As for fear mongering...  Well I spent a year hearing horror stories of corpmates getting suicide ganked in their tanked Hulk well outside of Hulkageddon.  During Hulkageddon, my hisec corp decided to keep all mining ships docked, so I found an NRDS area of space with the above mentioned corps to do my mining.  I found experienced Eve players that weren't gankers and such to be overall the most paranoid slice of society I've ever encountered.

"The sooner a new player gets accustomed to losing stuff, the better."

That's the same line the gankers and griefers use the whole time they are calling their victims names in local.

Players should be able to "choose" the level of risk they are willing to accept and other players should not be able to deprive them of that decision.

Hisec is supposed to provide safety, with that comes lower quality ores, lower level NPCs, and overall lower returns on time.  Low risk, low reward.

The main thing people need to realise about Eve is that it is a pvp game. Any and all activity in eve can bring pvp to your door, the game is just designed that way.

Originally posted by Jonnas13

The main thing people need to realise about Eve is that it is a pvp game. Any and all activity in eve can bring pvp to your door, the game is just designed that way.

Funny. most of what I have read and seen first hand EVE is a griefing game not a pvp game. Maybe the higher tiers offer more pvp. But getting there is more of a pita than in any other game I have ever played. Not worth the hassle imo at this point in EVE's lifecycle.

Originally posted by Jonnas13

The main thing people need to realise about Eve is that it is a pvp game. Any and all activity in eve can bring pvp to your door, the game is just designed that way.

You are absolutely right.  I did not realize the lengths some players would go to in order to ensure everyone is involved in pvp.

I managed to play for just over a year avoiding pvp with only a few blown up ships.  I think I lost a total of 5 ships to other players including the newbie ship in hour one of day one :).  Add to that a Rokh, a couple Drakes, and an Orca and you see the picture.

The one thing I found completely unacceptable in my time in Eve was CCP's attitude.  I did file a petition my first day, the response from CCP was in fact quite rude.

As for the culture of Eve, don't take my word for it, just check out the this thread.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/352634/Goonswarm-Hulkageddon-Will-Go-On-Indefinitely.html 

lol at this, anyway EVE is a pvp game, you play your gonna die, everyone dies, get over it!  Noobs should join Eve university thats wher eyou will learn but again you will die!  So get used to dieing, it is part of the game, just make sure you are always training a skill that is useful and is going to help you make isk in the future and you will be fine.   Idk what OP has experienced and frankly by the way hes talking I don't think he is cut out for Eve Online.  I personally have played Eve for 4 years and I have loved every minute of it.

Originally posted by Jonnas13

No, you are the one who is wrong. That or you are deliberately lying. Log into any starter area and you will see containers right outside the stations trying get newbies griefed. The local chat is also flooded by scammers trying to cheat the new players out of what little they have.

Out of interest I just logged in an popped over to amaar prime. Yup, containers right outside the station (with newbie wrecks right next to them) and the usual 'double your isk, no risk!' crap in local.

The OP is right. Always assume everyone in eve is out to grief you, kill you or scam you when you first start. Chances are will be and quickly if you follow any of the advice from Irus.

The open and widespread hostility to newbies in Eve is the first and biggest hurdle any new player will face. If you can get past the first month unscathed you will enjoy the game a great deal more. Most players (from CCPs own admission) do not make it that far.

seriously, what do you think that is? some kind of joke? eve is no joke, eve is serious gaming :)

love it or leave it. but you cant deny it's unique

and yes, if you played wow before (and maybe even ONLY wow), welcome to a new world.

toto, I've a feeling we're not in kansas anymore!

Originally posted by Jester92

lol at this, anyway EVE is a pvp game, you play your gonna die, everyone dies, get over it!  Noobs should join Eve university thats wher eyou will learn but again you will die!  So get used to dieing, it is part of the game, just make sure you are always training a skill that is useful and is going to help you make isk in the future and you will be fine.   Idk what OP has experienced and frankly by the way hes talking I don't think he is cut out for Eve Online.  I personally have played Eve for 4 years and I have loved every minute of it.

I've never been a Pvp'er.  People ask me why, I usually respond with "I know I suck, I don't need my face rubbed in it.".  In MMOs the successful PvPers are the ones that spend all their time and effort getting the next upgrade, the next piece of gear, the next skill that will get them one step up on others.  It's an arms race.  In Eve PvP is taken to a much nastier level, one I don't have the heart to play in.  I dissappointed that I can't play Eve but not bitter, I just wanted to provide a snapshot of what I saw.  I read a lot about Eve before subscribing, I was sill completely unprepared for the level of hostility leveled at new players and those that didn't want to pvp in particular.

Believe it or not I play MMOs because I like to make stuff.  Unfortunately there's only ever been one MMO with a "Crafting" system and that was SWG before CU.  The rest of MMOs that I've seen have a "manufacturing system" and not a crafting system.  Most MMOs crafting system is like one of those wooden puzzles you buy your two year old, you know, the ones with six pieces, each with it's own little handle.  They just hide the pieces, sometimes they give them to a raid boss that requires you and your 39 closest friends to go kill him 80 times so everybody can get one.

I played World War II Online for over a year, it's 100% pvp.  I had a kill ratio of over 13 to 1 driving a British A13 tank.  Germans seemed to think the gray paint on their tanks meant they were camouflaged for driving on the road.

I played SWG for most of eight years.

I'm sorry to say that I did resort to playing wow for a couple years.

I played LOTR online for a couple weeks but it was just wow in a different costume.

So for the time being my wife is stuck spending more time with me :)

The biggest thing you need to be worried about in high sec as an uncorped noob are the Jita scammers. Hopefully common sense will make you think twice if some one offers to send you 10x the money you send them also look very closely at any contracts that are being offered. Actually just avoid contract all together and only use the market, they have expanded it to the point that contracts are pretty much useless for searching out any item. People gate camp in the cheapest alpha fitted ships possible, typically destroyers, and if they suicide you, it is because you are hauling valuable stuff. Now there are also fishing traps in high sec where people leave cans floating around and if you take the ammo or what ever out of it they can kill you with immunity.

If you want to learn the game in a corp that is trusted EVE wide join EVE University. I didn't go that route but I lucked out and got picked up into a great corp early on. 

So for recap, don't fly around with PLEX in your cargohold, stay in .5 and greater until you know what is going on and what to expect in .4 and under, don't try and pvp solo, don't take stuff from other people's boxes, if you are in Jita start building up your block/ignore list of scammers as soon as you get there and the local chat will quickly become useable. I think I have about 1000 people blocked and they are all from Jita and there are always more everytime I go but once you block the couple new ones you can talk in local there. Don't send anyone ISK and don't buy things from contracts. If an offer seems to good to be true, it is. Try EVE University, just google it, they will set you on the right path.

Originally posted by VassagoMael

The biggest thing you need to be worried about in high sec as an uncorped noob are the Jita scammers. Hopefully common sense will make you think twice if some one offers to send you 10x the money you send them also look very closely at any contracts that are being offered. Actually just avoid contract all together and only use the market, they have expanded it to the point that contracts are pretty much useless for searching out any item. People gate camp in the cheapest alpha fitted ships possible, typically destroyers, and if they suicide you, it is because you are hauling valuable stuff. Now there are also fishing traps in high sec where people leave cans floating around and if you take the ammo or what ever out of it they can kill you with immunity.

If you want to learn the game in a corp that is trusted EVE wide join EVE University. I didn't go that route but I lucked out and got picked up into a great corp early on. 

So for recap, don't fly around with PLEX in your cargohold, stay in .5 and greater until you know what is going on and what to expect in .4 and under, don't try and pvp solo, don't take stuff from other people's boxes, if you are in Jita start building up your block/ignore list of scammers as soon as you get there and the local chat will quickly become useable. I think I have about 1000 people blocked and they are all from Jita and there are always more everytime I go but once you block the couple new ones you can talk in local there. Don't send anyone ISK and don't buy things from contracts. If an offer seems to good to be true, it is. Try EVE University, just google it, they will set you on the right path.

Haha, just realized that my recap was pretty much as long as the rest of the post.

I've been playing EvE for the past few months.

The only time I was killed in PVP was in Low-sec

I've AFK parked my pod outside the Jita spaceport for hours at a time and no one touched me. 

The OP is exaggerating.

Originally posted by SumterSide

I've been playing EvE for the past few months.

The only time I was killed in PVP was in Low-sec

I've AFK parked my pod outside the Jita spaceport for hours at a time and no one touched me. 

The OP is exaggerating.

Park a "ship" there for hours and see what happens.

Though to some degree I will side with the OP, but even I have to step in and call BS on some of this persons claims.  First off CCP has zero tolerance policy toward messing with new players(called rookies) - zero tolerance - first infraction can get your account a two week ban.  They have a list of systems that are considered "new player" or "rookie systems" and if you are caught "flipping-cans" or "baiting" new players into PvP - ban.  

Here is a list of the rookie areas and this includes the "Sisters of EVE" tutorial mission system.   Rookie Systems List.

There have been many onging discussions between CCP and the players discussing this very topic.    CCP has been extremely straight forward and vocal about vets messing with newer players.  Here is just one of the discussions about rookie pilots that stretched on for 32 pages over a few days on the forums.  https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978

I may not agree with everything CCP does and I may have my gripes about EVE, but please do not come to the forum boards and spew BS.   People that play the game and know the game read these forums as well and though EVE is a very unforgiving game, it is not as bad as the OP makes it sound like it is.  

No, you are the one who is wrong. That or you are deliberately lying. Log into any starter area and you will see containers right outside the stations trying get newbies griefed.

a) There are not that many containers. I made a new char just recently. I know what's going on. In fact, I looted all the containers for giggles because I like looting stuff. I have seen no containers in Haudaugo, and seen some at warpgates, and many seemed like left-behind containers like a civilian basic research thiny nobody needs.

b) When you try to loot a container, you get a warning. You are told you're stealing someone's stuff. You are told Concord won't protect you. Understanding such directions and warnings is pretty important to EVE.

The local chat is also flooded by scammers trying to cheat the new players out of what little they have.

I live in Rens and all they scan contracts I've seen are for obscene amounts of money, pretty much always in the millions. Lowest I've seen was 300mil. That's quite a lot for a new player.

By the way, Amarr is a trade hub, not a starter hub for any new players nor do players get directed there at all. Hubs for that would be Hilaban, Pasha, and w/e systems were around Amarr, De-something...

Out of interest I just logged in an popped over to amaar prime. Yup, containers right outside the station (with newbie wrecks right next to them) and the usual 'double your isk, no risk!' crap in local.

Do you buy lottery tickets in real life, too? Some not-at-all-newbie players got caught in the Phaser Inc. scam. No, EVE is not favorable towards stupidity. That has nothing to do with how new you are.

The OP is right. Always assume everyone in eve is out to grief you, kill you or scam you when you first start. Chances are will be and quickly if you follow any of the advice from Irus.

Again, nobody is going to bother you unless you deliberately give them that opportunity (STEAL from a can). Nobody suicide ganks newbies. That's the only real danger in high sec.

Oh, btw, the other day I was playing a different char and I got like 10 million for free from a player for nothing. You can go into a chat and beg for money and someone will probably give it to you. No need to pretend EVE is like all full of horrible horrible people, the sooner you get rid of that mentality, the better. It's just selective bias mentality. One time someone kills you and you think everyone else will.

The open and widespread hostility to newbies in Eve is the first and biggest hurdle any new player will face. If you can get past the first month unscathed you will enjoy the game a great deal more. Most players (from CCPs own admission) do not make it that far.

Gee, I wonder what happened to me when I started EVE, then? How come I NEVER got griefed because I didn't open stupid cans, didn't go to low sec, didn't act all naive about people offering me cash? Surely, according to you, a newbie player must bump into some horrible scam and it has nothing to do with the intelligence of the player in question?

Originally posted by Chemist18

Park a "ship" there for hours and see what happens.

I parked ships for hours multiple times. I admit I'd prefer not to do that on my 5+ implants clone, but I have definitely parked Executioners on gates in the past before.

Seriously, I'm curious now, I'm gonna park this reaper and happily observe how fucking NOTHING will happen to it. In fact, worst case, I'll have a fucking KILL MAIL ON A REAPER.

Originally posted by Teala

Though to some degree I will side with the OP, but even I have to step in and call BS on some of this persons claims.  First off CCP has zero tolerance policy toward messing with new players(called rookies) - zero tolerance - first infraction can get your account a two week ban.  They have a list of systems that are considered "new player" or "rookie systems" and if you are caught "flipping-cans" or "baiting" new players into PvP - ban.  

Here is a list of the rookie areas and this includes the "Sisters of EVE" tutorial mission system.   Rookie Systems List.

There have been many onging discussions between CCP and he players discussing this very topic.    CCP has been extremely straight forward and vocal about vets messing with newer players.  Here is just one of the discussions about rookie pilots that stretched on for 32 pages over a few days on the forums.  https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978

I may not agree with everything CCP does and I may have my gripes about EVE, but please do not come to the forum boards and spew BS.   People that play the game and now the game read these forums as well and though EVE is a very unforgiving game, it is not as bad as the OP makes it sound like it is.  

Cistuvaert is the system I got nailed in.  It happened on 05-May-2011.  I couldn't find the text from the response.  However the CCP person that responded essentially told me I was an idiot and that I should have fought the griefer even though I was in a noob ship and he was in a T2 assault ship.

Originally posted by Chemist18

A simple piece of advice:

If you decide you want to try Eve, the instant you launch from the station, immediately get the hell out of the 1.0 security system. Once you've done that, find a player corporation, join, and let them teach you. That's how I survived. I still fell for the occassional gate camp and such but was able to progress much farther than I otherwise would have. There are some really great groups of folks if you can find them.

 

 NEVER, EVER assume at ANY time in ANY place that you are safe, safety is purely an illusion in Eve.  There are players that will gladly sacrifice a ship worth many time what yours is just to get a "kill mail".  I say "sacrifice" because after they've killed you the local police will kill them.

The graphics, animations, variety, sounds, etc. are all excellent.  The game has very few bugs compared to others I've played and those that are present are not as "game breaking" as some I've run into in other games.

What follows is not an attack on anyone, except perhaps CCP.  What follows is essentially, "here's what I saw, maybe you'll see it differently".

(I put that first because I know the trolls will pounce the instant I post)

When I first read about Eve I thought it sounded really cool, reminded me of the old game, Starflight.  Exploring uncharted space, meeting alien species, discovering ancient civilizations and technology, etc.

A bunch of us from SWG went to Eve, we were instantly set upon by gankers and greifers.  You can't run the tutorial missions because more experienced players that want to ruin your day are constantly harrassing you.  Those experienced players know all the tutorial missions, they know Eve has a large learning curve, and they will use it against you every step of the way.  Don't bother filing a complaint because you won't like the response you get from CCP.  Many existing players see new players as nothing but intruders and CCP apparently agrees with them.  I made the mistake of filing a complaint the one time I fell for one of the tricks called "can-flipping".  I was in a system I was assured was safe from griefers by the moderator in the "Help" channel.  The response I got from CCP was actually rude.  Of those that moved with me from SWG, I was the only one left after two days.  I've never been a PvPer but most of the others were.

The advertisements talk about all the 1000s of star systems and all the stuff you can do. Well forget it, you will never see most of it. You will spend the vast majority of your time trying not to fall victim to other players whose only goal is to ruin your day.

Think about every jerk, griefer, cheater, and crook you ever heard of that go kicked or banned from another game.  You know they didn't quit playing games, they are all thriving in Eve.

After a year I finally gave up trying to play Eve the way I wanted to.  If you are willing to play to the least common denominator then you'll do fine.  I just don't have it in my make up to spend all my time either dreaming up new ways to screw people over or continually battling others trying to screw me over.  Believe me, there are some folks that are HIGHLY talented at ruining your day.

Just realize that very few of the challenges you will face are from Eve itself, they will be from other players.

 

 

This!  Eve is a beautiful game and wonderfully complex. But you are dead meat as a new player. This is the only game that I know of the does not want new players. Literally. Everything, from the game complexity to the other players ganking-is-fun attitule, to CCP's attitude (ganking is good philosophy)  discourages new players. Just look at the responses to the OP on this thread! 

Originally posted by Teala

Though to some degree I will side with the OP, but even I have to step in and call BS on some of this persons claims.  First off CCP has zero tolerance policy toward messing with new players(called rookies) - zero tolerance - first infraction can get your account a two week ban.  They have a list of systems that are considered "new player" or "rookie systems" and if you are caught "flipping-cans" or "baiting" new players into PvP - ban.  

Here is a list of the rookie areas and this includes the "Sisters of EVE" tutorial mission system.   Rookie Systems List.

There have been many onging discussions between CCP and the players discussing this very topic.    CCP has been extremely straight forward and vocal about vets messing with newer players.  Here is just one of the discussions about rookie pilots that stretched on for 32 pages over a few days on the forums.  https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=100978

I may not agree with everything CCP does and I may have my gripes about EVE, but please do not come to the forum boards and spew BS.   People that play the game and know the game read these forums as well and though EVE is a very unforgiving game, it is not as bad as the OP makes it sound like it is.  

If CCP is so against new player ganking then why do they allow hulkameggon (or something like that). I would belive this if they restricted pvp in 1.0 systems to voluntary but that would violoate their whole philosophy. No. CCP knows what is happening and is fine with it. I had a fun time with Eve but will never go back. I am exactly the type of player that CCP does not want - a care bear. 

Sorry that I am re-iterating views that have annoyed CCP (and the hard-core players) for many years. I would be a long term subscriber to Eve. Just give me absolute protection in 1.0 space. Nope. Pissing in the wind. So, like the wind, I am gone. (Yes, good riddance to you too!)

I actually came to mmorpg.com to see what was on the horizon when I noticed the post about Hulkageddon going on indefinitely.

So I thought I'd provide some incite into Eve that I didn't get before I started playing.  I read a lot about the game before I started, I obviously missed something along the way.  I went in knowing that Eve was primarily a PvP game but thought by choosing to stay in hisec (0.5 and up) I was making a clear choice that I was not interested in PvP.  What I failed to realize before hand was that many Eve players expect everyone to play their way or get out.

Given my aversion to PvP and my dislike of people that thrive on ruining play for others, my Eve experience was not positive.  Therefore, I have lost interest.

Calling me a liar doesn't make me one.  What I described was my perception of my experience which is based on my view of pvp and my view of acceptable behavior.