I have a feeling it will also be its greatest weakness as well.

You see, everyone has been going around procliaming to the high heavens of how amazing GW2 is and how all other MMO's are faceroll EZmode games where all anyone needs is the best gear and they dont need skills.

So these same people talk about how GW2 will be the be-all, end-all of MMO greatness because it takes real skill........and if this is the case then this game will have serious issues, because the vast majority of these people don't have skills and are gonna go into GW2's PvP and get beat crushed by the best players and guilds. And they will no longer be having "fun" as so many of you claim GW2 is all about. The two great Pillars of GW2, Skills and fun. Neither of which Joe Average MMOer will be having because they wont be able to compete in PVP, and the PVE in GW2 is average at best so that wont help either.

So yes, while GW2 PVP will be its great strength, it will also be its greatest weakness.

Troll thread........move along.

The amount of stupidity in this post is out of control. Yep there is going to be no matchmaking system and everytime it just so happens to always be 8 good players vs 8 bad players.

and I feel the majority of the people who say that they are skilled and repeatedly how much they are going to "roll the noobs who don't know how to dodge" are actually not that skilled.  The majority of the people who frequent the gw2 board believe they are skill and pros but really the only thing they are pro at is fanboyism.

its easy to be an elitist when the game is not even released yet.

Now i actually agree with the OP to some extent.

Sure you're going to have a lot of frustrated players that can't just gear grind to the top asap and have a clear advantage but you're also going to have a lot more players willing to actually participate in PVP when they may not have in other games.

My concern about GW2 pvp is the huge number of players it needs to work. 

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I have a feeling it will also be its greatest weakness as well.

no

Originally posted by Xirik

and I feel the majority of the people who say that they are skilled and repeatedly how much they are going to "roll the noobs who don't know how to dodge" are actually not that skilled.  The majority of the people who frequent the gw2 board believe they are skill and pros but really the only thing they are pro at is fanboyism.

 

its easy to be an elitist when the game is not even released yet.

Thats probably my favorite thing about this board. Apparently everyone here is a pro pvper but they couldnt compete in all those nub games with their faceroll pvp because everyone was only better than them because they had better gear!

But now that gear wont matter in GW2 (Which is WRONG, because it WILL matter since you will need to focus on getting the right gear for your build!) they are gonna be crushing everyone with their true skills.

Of course this all goes back to what I was talking about in my original post where all these people who think they will be skillest of the skilled who ever had skill are gonna get a rude awakening when they aren;t good at pvp in GW2 like they dreamed they would be and they will quit in droves.

It's really amazing you know all of this when the game isn't even out yet. You base what you know on a couple of beta weekend events and you think you're gods gift to Guild Wars 2? Or did you even play in the BWE's? I call you a Troll sir and you can move along.

yeah a little to aggressive with that last post OP...

GW2 standard pvp is nothing more than gloriied 5v5 alliance battles. There is also WvW but thats nothing more than zerg here and zerg there. Thats why the pvp will fail for the long term. 

Originally posted by BilboDoggins

I have a feeling it will also be its greatest weakness as well.

You see, everyone has been going around procliaming to the high heavens of how amazing GW2 is and how all other MMO's are faceroll EZmode games where all anyone needs is the best gear and they dont need skills.

 

So these same people talk about how GW2 will be the be-all, end-all of MMO greatness because it takes real skill........and if this is the case then this game will have serious issues, because the vast majority of these people don't have skills and are gonna go into GW2's PvP and get beat crushed by the best players and guilds. And they will no longer be having "fun" as so many of you claim GW2 is all about. The two great Pillars of GW2, Skills and fun. Neither of which Joe Average MMOer will be having because they wont be able to compete in PVP, and the PVE in GW2 is average at best so that wont help either.

 

So yes, while GW2 PVP will be its great strength, it will also be its greatest weakness.

I would actually say you got it backwards.  The top PVP players tend to invest in the grind as well if it is required in order to get their max gear set.  Those that get the rude awakening in GW2 just might be those that constantly blame gear for their PVP woes.  The reality is the top PVP players are pwntastic with or without the gear grind, and the mouse clickers are PVP feebs with or without the gear grind.  Life won't be much different in GW2, just the excuses will change...

     Its not so much that GW2 PvP is all skill as much as it is that the value of skill/twitch ability is proportionally higher compared to gear value than in other games.  Overall, gear stats in GW2 are fairly insignificant and trait builds, skill slot choices, and visual attention and focus are more important.  There is no "Expertise" stat ala SWTOR in GW2. so just having higher tiered gear doesnt boost your damage against players, its how you play and how you build your character in terms of skills, weapon choice/swtich, and trait builds that has the most impact.

So in summary there is more of an emphasis on player choice and skill and very little in gear tiers in GW2 when compared to many previous MMOs, but anyone who says that those MMOs were mostly based on gear in determining the outcome of battles are deluding themselve as skill still plays the most important role.

OP is devoid of logic. A large PvP community is a healthy PvP community, in any game. The key is to provide play areas where new players can play and learn without getting crushed by the best players, which is often achieved by letting the best players play in organized tournaments (which GW2 has) while the newer / casual players duke it out in random PUB servers (which GW2 also has). This model works for tons of online shooters, there's no reason to think it won't work in GW2. 

Originally posted by Skyy_High

OP is devoid of logic. A large PvP community is a healthy PvP community, in any game. The key is to provide play areas where new players can play and learn without getting crushed by the best players, which is often achieved by letting the best players play in organized tournaments (which GW2 has) while the newer / casual players duke it out in random PUB servers (which GW2 also has). This model works for tons of online shooters, there's no reason to think it won't work in GW2. 

You have a very good point here and I agree with you.

Originally posted by Mephster

GW2 standard pvp is nothing more than gloriied 5v5 alliance battles. There is also WvW but thats nothing more than zerg here and zerg there. Thats why the pvp will fail for the long term. 

So which popular MMORPG released in the last 5 years do you think has much better PvP?

Yeah....thought so....

so OP's point is pretty much this?

instead of the people overhyping the living bejesus out of the game getting disapointed when it isnt the 2nd coming of christ and leaving,they'll end up QQing and leaving because there getting rolled by people who are better then them

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

so OP's point is pretty much this?

 

instead of the people overhyping the living bejesus out of the game getting disapointed when it isnt the 2nd coming of christ,they'll end up QQing and leaving because there getting rolled by people who are better then them

 

 

Another fail troll. Internet is filled with them it seems.

" A large PvP community is a healthy PvP community, in any game"

except when the community are wow players.then its nothing but a bunch of immature crybabys who are anything but a healthy community for the game

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

" A large PvP community is a healthy PvP community, in any game"

except when the community are wow players.then its nothing but a bunch of immature crybabys who are anything but a healthy community for the game

 

Troll -1.