There is at least one (European) Guild who are insisting all members spend a certain amount every month in the cash shop to fund WVW.

Whether they can make enough difference remains to be seen, but they certainly intend to try.

I suspect their efforts will be in vain, but it is possibie there will end up two tiers of servers, cash shop servers fighting in the top tier, FTP servers having there own battle in the second tier.

Its P2W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U have to buy the game TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can pay your opponents to gain a win ... This is P2W!!! 

Originally posted by Muppetier

There is at least one (European) Guild who are insisting all members spend a certain amount every month in the cash shop to fund WVW.

Whether they can make enough difference remains to be seen, but they certainly intend to try.

I suspect their efforts will be in vain, but it is possibie there will end up two tiers of servers, cash shop servers fighting in the top tier, FTP servers having there own battle in the second tier.

Lmfao. Seriously!?

The biggest american guilds I've seen are able to bankroll themselves w/ out the cash shop. I'd love to know which guilds are demanding this. It'll be hilarious to dominate them in WvW.

Of course it's not P2W.. wait.. you buy GW2 - and that's a Win :O Therefore P2W. OMG how could we  have ben so blind, ANet tricked us! xD

Originally posted by Halandir

Yeah I know the title sounds like baiting. That is not my intention so please stick with me for another 15 seconds.

 

We have all seen the often incoherent, borderline rants, trying to explain how the GW2 cashshop is P2W (Pay to win). It sounds like a messy soup with ingredients such as prior F2P experiences, pet/mount sales in other games and the notion that WvWvW will matter, all mixed up in an old dented bowl.

 

None of the rants made any sort of sense to me... Background: I am going to play Guild Wars 2. I plan to enjoy the PvE part as the designers have designed the PvE world to be enjoyed. I do not plan to spend much time in the WvWvW part of the game (yeah I know a lot of people consider this a major feature, thats perfectly ok but I don't give a shit. Engaging PvP is on a level playingfield in my book.) Obviously my PvP focus will be structured.

 

With structured PvP in mind (the rest is, IMO, just PvE with a twist): Please explain how you see any P2W advantage in GW2?

 

Strawman, to this point, I have not seen anyone whatsoever even imply that structured PvP will have any Pay To Win advantages.

Originally posted by DJJazzy

It has to do with purchasing blueprints I think. Those cost gold. You buy gems, sell gems for gold, use gold for blueprints. However, you still need supply to build the siege engines so even if you consider the above as pay to win it is a very big stretch.

 

Yeah that theory is really stretching the limits of believability. Even if buying gold at launch did matter, which I am sure it won't, it certainly won't matter after a month or two when people have their own stash of in game currency.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Originally posted by Halandir

Yeah I know the title sounds like baiting. That is not my intention so please stick with me for another 15 seconds.

 

We have all seen the often incoherent, borderline rants, trying to explain how the GW2 cashshop is P2W (Pay to win). It sounds like a messy soup with ingredients such as prior F2P experiences, pet/mount sales in other games and the notion that WvWvW will matter, all mixed up in an old dented bowl.

 

None of the rants made any sort of sense to me... Background: I am going to play Guild Wars 2. I plan to enjoy the PvE part as the designers have designed the PvE world to be enjoyed. I do not plan to spend much time in the WvWvW part of the game (yeah I know a lot of people consider this a major feature, thats perfectly ok but I don't give a shit. Engaging PvP is on a level playingfield in my book.) Obviously my PvP focus will be structured.

 

With structured PvP in mind (the rest is, IMO, just PvE with a twist): Please explain how you see any P2W advantage in GW2?

 

 

Strawman, to this point, I have not seen anyone whatsoever even imply that structured PvP will have any Pay To Win advantages.

I have to agree here, I've never seen anyone claim anything regarding to sPvP and P2W. There really is no point to even having this thread.

Originally posted by TwoThreeFour

Strawman, to this point, I have not seen anyone whatsoever even imply that structured PvP will have any Pay To Win advantages.

I can accept that to some extent. I have not seen anyone on mmorpg.com claim that sPvP has P2W possibilities. I have heard quite a few arguments on teamspeak with people being concerned about sPvP in a game that has a lot of rumours about P2W.

My personal interest in this is that I would like to see as many sPvP'ers in GW2 as possible. If people are afraid to waste their time based on the many, often unclear, threads about "P2W in GW2 PvP" (WvWvW implied) then: Yes, I have a problem with that - Even to the point where I started to doubt it myself.

If not anything else then at least this thread clearly demonstrates that a lot of people have a problem of making a distinction between the two completely different formats.

Personally I am now reassured that sPvP will be just fine - Others are not and that bothers me!