I have watched the everyday posts here for a while. I read a lot of threads about why such and such game is a themepark or why such and such game doesnt deliever.

Why dont more people play this game? Its challenging, lots of depth, pvp, sandbox..etc. I realize that these are just plain noun names but you all get the picture.

I am 32 years old. I have played all kinds of MMO's. P2P, F2P, P2W. But Eve has so much more going on. More then any other MMO that I have ever played. I am looking forword to GW2 and will give it a go once it launches.

How about the upcoming DUST 514? If you play COD as much as I and love Eve then this will be a great adaptation.

This is my questions to you readers; Why dont you play Eve? It seems that money (yes I said money) helps game developers to deliver exciting updates and content to players. You see that after 9 years Eve is still going strong even with a base line subscription of 350,000. Updates happen often. Imagine what this game could do with 1-5 million subs. 

Because it's as exciting as getting one's tooth pulled?

Originally posted by Kitane

Because it's as exciting as getting one's tooth pulled?

You should search for the excitment, not let it fall in you lap by clicking a button and que'ing up.

Im a major fan of this game but it comes down to the fact that I dont have the time to devote to the game to make any sort of significant progress.

Also my wife doesnt like Eve and we tend to only play the same games as each other, id rather spend time with her in a game we both enjoy :)

Interesting question, though I'd wager a lot would come down to perceptions such as the oft-repeated "spreadsheet" claim, the idea that people will never catch up, the PvP nature of the game, or just plain mechanics or setting. 

Some of these can be debated such as the spreadsheet comparison or the idea that you need to catch up on skill points, but then if someone just doesn't like the mechanics or setting, the game is sunk before the starting gun fires for them. 

As for 514, I was pretty excited at the idea of that game for a while, however the PS3 exclusive killed it for me. I have no intention of purchasing a PS3 for one game and I already have a bluray player so there is little additional value that I feel I would get for the purchase. That and I generally have a distaste for Sony (though not a hardline 'boycott/hatred') so there's another strike. Uness things have changed and it's coming to PC, I'm going to have to settle for hearing other people rave about it. Despite the route they chose for platform, I do hope the game does exceedingly well and enriches the EvE universe.

Originally posted by mklinic

Interesting question, though I'd wager a lot would come down to perceptions such as the oft-repeated "spreadsheet" claim, the idea that people will never catch up, the PvP nature of the game, or just plain mechanics or setting. 

Some of these can be debated such as the spreadsheet comparison or the idea that you need to catch up on skill points, but then if someone just doesn't like the mechanics or setting, the game is sunk before the starting gun fires for them. 

As for 514, I was pretty excited at the idea of that game for a while, however the PS3 exclusive killed it for me. I have no intention of purchasing a PS3 for one game and I already have a bluray player so there is little additional value that I feel I would get for the purchase. That and I generally have a distaste for Sony (though not a hardline 'boycott/hatred') so there's another strike. Uness things have changed and it's coming to PC, I'm going to have to settle for hearing other people rave about it. Despite the route they chose for platform, I do hope the game does exceedingly well and enriches the EvE universe.

Good point. Think on this; if anyone is to start anywhere in life or in some fantasy world you have to crawl before you walk. If you were to start at the end what would be the lasting appeal for you to keep playing? I look at Eve as a "sandbox" and "player-driven" therefore, anyone's contribution to the game is pivotal.

So, you start the game, get into a corporation, you'll be just a lackey for now but, before you know it, you're a superior pilot or signifigant money maker for the corp. Or, go the other route and spy, infiltrate, manipulate other corps and wipe them out from within.

As for 514 being exclusively on PS3. Give it time. CCP said it was the fastest and easiest to bring it to the public. It will broaden.  

Eve is a great game and I have lots of respect for CCP. That said, I tried it and I couldn't find it "fun". Potentially awesome? Yes but the main activities in EVE are just too far removed from what I think of as space combat. Most of that seems a backdrop to the economic sim and political activities, both of which I find very dull to lay but very exciting reading about it.

Originally posted by abean321

Good point. Think on this; if anyone is to start anywhere in life or in some fantasy world you have to crawl before you walk. If you were to start at the end what would be the lasting appeal for you to keep playing? I look at Eve as a "sandbox" and "player-driven" therefore, anyone's contribution to the game is pivotal.

So, you start the game, get into a corporation, you'll be just a lackey for now but, before you know it, you're a superior pilot or signifigant money maker for the corp. Or, go the other route and spy, infiltrate, manipulate other corps and wipe them out from within.

As for 514 being exclusively on PS3. Give it time. CCP said it was the fastest and easiest to bring it to the public. It will broaden.  

Certainly. The way eve is structured is a big part of its appeal, but also a potentially big adjustment for the "end-game raider" type. Its a different way to play. Personally, I really enjoy it for that, but a lot of people can look at it and see a tall mountain they don't feel like climbing. It took me a couple tries to get past the mindset and a little over 4 years later I still enjoy the game immensely. :)

With 514, I'm not holding my breath, but I do hope it reaches PC eventually. If/When it does, I'll definetly be giving it a spin. :)

Originally posted by abean321

Originally posted by Kitane

Because it's as exciting as getting one's tooth pulled?

You should search for the excitment, not let it fall in you lap by clicking a button and que'ing up.

Yeah, sitting at a gate waiting to scram and pop a BS with your gang is serious skills.

Also, it's fun being someone else's content, especially when they've had nearly a decade to build a character that is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else who hasn't invested the same length of time.

Should I mention the obvious economic disadvantage that a new player has, compared to someone who has been accumulating assets ingame for years and years and years? Oops, I just did.

The main reasons I couldn't get into EVE, even tho I tried it for about 2 months, was the combat system, which I didn't like, probably because when I think something like Wing Commander, and the 2nd reason is the way skill progresion is tied to real time.

I want to pilot a spaceship,  not direct it. Complexities are great, but it doesn't give me the feel I want in a space game. Paying a subscription is a big factor as well.

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by abean321

Originally posted by Kitane

Because it's as exciting as getting one's tooth pulled?

You should search for the excitment, not let it fall in you lap by clicking a button and que'ing up.

Yeah, sitting at a gate waiting to scram and pop a BS with your gang is serious skills.

Also, it's fun being someone else's content, especially when they've had nearly a decade to build a character that is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else who hasn't invested the same length of time.

Should I mention the obvious economic disadvantage that a new player has, compared to someone who has been accumulating assets ingame for years and years and years? Oops, I just did.

Nope, but getting jumped by a bigger gang and still winning takes some skill.

You don't have to be someone else's content just because you are new, look at Test Alliance Please Ignore. They make older players be their content.

Sure some players older than me have more money than me, hell some players younger than me have more money than I do. But I have enough money to replace my own ships, isn't wealth just relative? What really matters is what you can do with the wealth that you have.

Originally posted by Deleted User

Because it's as exciting as getting one's tooth pulled?

It's the only game out there right now that really gets my adrehnaline pumping, besides maybe Dark Souls on the first playthrough.   When you fight in EVE you put a lot on the line.  It leads to a common phenomenon called "the shakes" that EVE captains get.  Doesn't get more exciting than that in video gaming.  My main problem with EVE is that it takes so long to set up operations or roams that I need to log off before any of the fun stuff starts.  But that isn't the game's problem. 

i've tried 3 times to get into EvE but it just hasn't stuck.

i dunno how to say it but, for example, i can look at my humanoid character (in any fantasy game) swing an axe to kill mobs for hours but i just can't watch a ship shoot a rail gun for hours on end.

EvE combat doesn't look at that exciting, and combat IS the most exciting part of the game.

the visuals in space gets kind of monotonous afte a while too. dispite the fact that EvE has some of the best space scenaries i've ever seen the planest , asteroid belts, rats, all end up looking the same after a while .....at times i warp to a station just to be able to see something besides round planest....

so what ends up happenign is that i start loggin in less and less, pretty much only to que up my skills, and before too long i dont even log in anymore. after a few weeks i just cancel the sub.

dont get me wrong i love many things about EvE, i just get bored of space. perhaps i'm just not a space guy.

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

i've tried 3 times to get into EvE but it just hasn't stuck.

i dunno how to say it but, for example, i can look at my humanoid character (in any fantasy game) swing an axe to kill mobs for hours but i just can't watch a ship shoot a rail gun for hours on end.

EvE combat doesn't look at that exciting, and combat IS the most exciting part of the game.

the visuals in space gets kind of monotonous afte a while too. dispite the fact that EvE has some of the best space scenaries i've ever seen the planest , asteroid belts, rats, all end up looking the same after a while .....at times i warp to a station just to be able to see something besides round planest....

so what ends up happenign is that i start loggin in less and less, pretty much only to que up my skills, and before too long i dont even log in anymore. after a few weeks i just cancel the sub.

 

 

dont get me wrong i love many things about EvE, i just get bored of space. perhaps i'm just not a space guy.

 

 

You should build 20 rifters and just take them all out into low and null sec and see what happens.  You won't accomplish anything but you might just have some fun... 

Originally posted by BigHatLogan

 

 

You should build 20 rifters and just take them all out into low and null sec and see what happens.  You won't accomplish anything but you might just have some fun... 

i've gone into low sec and i've gotten ganked many times.

the fights were always very short and i was always on the receving end. it was fun the first few times but after a while, when i understood just how far i was from being competitive vs those solo PKers, it felt more like a waste of ships/money so i stop going into low sec and just kept farming in high sec....only to get quite bored.

Originally posted by Jakdstripper

Originally posted by BigHatLogan

 

 

You should build 20 rifters and just take them all out into low and null sec and see what happens.  You won't accomplish anything but you might just have some fun... 

i've gone into low sec and i've gotten ganked many times.

the fights were always very short and i was always on the receving end. it was fun the first few times but after a while, when i understood just how far i was from being competitive vs those solo PKers, it felt more like a waste of ships/money so i stop going into low sec and just kept farming in high sec....only to get quite bored.

 

Try something different then: Get a covops frigate (bomber or scouter), and roam through deep nullsec for a bit. If you hit a manned bubble camp, see if you can avoid it while they try hunting you. Unless you aren't human that will defnitely give you a rush.

Last time I tried that which was a few weeks ago, I flew around for about an hour and hit three bubble camps, two of which were dropped right on top of me. One of the ones dropped on top of me I was very nearly outside of the range anyways so I escaped easily. The other...nearly broke my mouse piloting my ship around manually, and they had interceptors burning around trying to decloak me.

They missed :)

DAMN was that a rush!

What one must remember is that every player controlled ship except shuttles are capital ships, even a frigate. A frigate is traditionally the smalles ship of the line. It even states in EVE lore that it has a crew of 30-40.

It is not a starfighter sim, EVE ships even the small ones are not X-wings or Vipers. You are the captain of the ship, not the pilot. It would be "unrealistic" to sit in the pilot chair (or in this case the helmsmans) and engage in a dogfight.

As silly as it sounds, I couldn't get over the collision system... Flying through a space station totally killed it for me. The other part was that they made it hard to be anywhere other than the predetermined flight points within a solar system. What happened to killing the warp drive between points? I hated having to drain my capacitors just before warping to stop between warp points. I enjoyed setting warp points in the middle of no where to make a quick getaway and ensure, with prep time, I could launch to warp very quickly even in a battleship. The second complaint doesn't matter really but it did have the affect of making the system seem much smaller. All that said, if the collision system didn't kill the realizm of commanding my own space craft, I would still be playing EVE. 

I played EVE for a couple years, and no longer play. Here's some reasons why off the top of my head.

1.) PvPing is not sustainable without farming or doing something else you don't particularly want to do to for isk.

2.) Pvping on a large scale is dull. Focus primary. Hope you don't get primaried. PvP on a small scale is also quite tough nowadays. If you're a new player, prepare to join a strong PvP corp early, or enjoy getting blown up by gangs on pilots or single pirates with years of experience flying ships you wont be able to touch for months.

3.) Mining is tedious. Missions are uninspired and repetitive.

4.) It's a massive time sink, and a wife and full time job make it too hard to devote time to it.

That said, I did have a blast while I was playing it. If you're a sci-fi nerd or otherwise, its a great, open ended sandbox game. I'm just done with it after years of playing.