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7/05/12 2:08:56 PM#181
Originally posted by mrw0lf you know the best gear (cosmetic since stat gear are all easy to get) cant be bought right? you can have 1000Gold or lot of gems and you still cant have dungeons/pvo amazing cosmetics items. |
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7/05/12 2:28:06 PM#182
Originally posted by p_c_sousa
here is an example of whats just going on here some people loves to buy advantage on the cash shop they dont want that to be taken, listen! it wont go away your pretty advantage will be there because thats the way they make money so no more pretending and defending it. Some people loves that and thats the people who defend that, im gonna buy advantage too but im not a lier saying that is not possible. Another example here: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/19/the-daily-grind-how-do-you-define-pay-to-win/ and btw if the thread gets close or wathever theres always another thread about the same topic that will born you know why? because theres many minds thinking the same situation. I dont blame the FANS who say is not pay to win, if i where so fan blinded i guess i would be like that too, im a fan but i wotn put my hand on the fire for any company, companies are business. 
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7/05/12 2:40:33 PM#183
Originally posted by Justsomenoob
Want. Want. Want. Yarrr!!! Yarrr!!!
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7/05/12 2:46:23 PM#184
P2W Yep it is p2w i mean u have to pay to get the game and then WIN !!!
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7/05/12 2:51:38 PM#185
Originally posted by Master10K Hahahaha uh thanks! |
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7/05/12 2:52:35 PM#186
Originally posted by p_c_sousa That's the problem with new games they put such specifics on the 'win' condition that even when it's spelt out it's not understood. It really is like speaking a different language. An item doesn't have to have '0mfg sapping purge of pwnz0r +99' on it to be considered an exclusive item. The principle of win condition of the terms considered by many here is so irrelevent in an mmo it's not funny. ----- |
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7/05/12 2:54:53 PM#187
Originally posted by Zoyita But that's exactly the point. WHY would I care that you are leveling faster than me? Yes, you will be stronger in 10 days... But in 20 days you'll hit the cap, in 30 days I'll hit the cap, and from that moment on you and I will be equal - no matter how much money you will put in the game.
Why would I care that you'll have some advantage for 10 days over me? I'm perfectly happy with that.
Of course, I doubt that sharp and honed "minds" who are probably "enquiring" will understand my view, but hey, not everyone is as sharp as you are. Be careful, or you'll cut yourself with your mind. |
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7/05/12 2:57:09 PM#188
Originally posted by McMoneybags
The word is empirical and you don't have the data to prove your 'empirical' claim. I mean, having the data is what it's about: The word empirical denotes information acquired by means of observation or experimentation. Empirical data are data produced by an observation or experiment.
You just made what is known as a 'truth claim' without basis. Or, in short, just another opinion.
You have some empirical evidence to the contrary, feel free to put on proof. I won't hold my breath though. |
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7/05/12 3:04:23 PM#189
Originally posted by Zoyita
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums |
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7/05/12 3:07:27 PM#190
Originally posted by mrw0lf
But I guess they dont want to recognize how bad things really are. A level playing field is a level playing field. It makes no difference if I am leveling, crafting, killing bosses or pvp:ing. It should not be possible to buy some item in a CS that helps. If that is possible the game is P2W... Others can play what they want. But I think this is very reasonable. Some people really dont like games with advantage cash shops. I will have to wait and see what they actually sell in GW2:s CS after release.
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7/05/12 3:15:01 PM#191
Any advantage sold in a CS that helps you progress faster or that makes you more powrful is P2W. Its funny that some dont want to understand that. So being higher level than someone else (and missing half the DEs because of it) is P2W? In a game without endgame you are saying higher lvel for 1 hour (hat's what you'll get with the booster) is P2W? In a game that is all about exploration and experiencing content level means nothing. If it doesn't affect others but ONLY YOU it's not P2W. I'll level a few minutes later than you, so what? Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums |
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7/05/12 3:29:36 PM#192
Originally posted by seridan If you are higher level it means you are more powerful. It means you are buying power if you buy xp-potions. Of course the other players will catch up at max level. But it is still very true. If there was no reason to buy xp-potions they would not sell xp-potions. It would not be profitable.... Perhaps it affects my friends if they are trying to level as fast as me. They cant keep up if I use xp-potions. "Win" is subjective and depends on POV and context. Perhaps it will be P2W for me and my friends. But anyone should be able to agree it is an advantage. Even if it is only temporary. |
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7/05/12 3:34:46 PM#193
nah, it's just a way for the devs to cater to players with game addiction issues; i know people that "buy 2 win" and they still sux  |
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7/05/12 3:37:22 PM#194
Originally posted by Hurvart It does grant an advantage, I doubt many will try to argue that, but it's not "P2W". That term has a different meaning and doesn't translate into this game, at least not in the current cash shop and I doubt it will in the future. People throwing that term around really need to do some homework on what it is exactly. |
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7/05/12 3:37:57 PM#195
Originally posted by Hurvart This is why all subscription games are P2W. :( Given two people who are completely equal in all ways... they level at the same speed, they have enough free time they can play exactly 20 hours each week, they have the same amount of skill... ... the person who only pays their subscription fee half the months will be twice as slow as the person who pays their subscription fee every month. That's a pretty clear cut case of pay to win, and it's =200%= faster for just 7.50 a month. :( |
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7/05/12 3:40:21 PM#196
It's not P2W, not really you have to pay that to get that faster, none of that, they get 90 percent of their profit of the game from people buying it. At max, I'll pay 2 bucks a month for gems. Looking at: The Repopulation |
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7/05/12 3:41:03 PM#197
Gear doesn't make a huge difference in the game. You should try playing it before stating stuff like this. The game is most definitely not pay to win. Unless you mean paying your 60 dollars and winning by having so much fun :) |
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7/05/12 3:41:48 PM#198
Originally posted by Hurvart
Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums |
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7/05/12 3:44:06 PM#199
Originally posted by MattVid There is no gear difference at all. If you mean the way they look yes. Looking at: The Repopulation |
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7/05/12 3:44:52 PM#200
It's a lot like League of Legend's cash shop thingy, and that has made them a lot of money. The purpose is not to make you better at the game, it's to enhance everything you already like about it. Really, the only statistical items in the game are things that make you level faster for a short time. If you think the game takes too long, then you're probably a casual player, and that's fine, WoW is very casual now, but you'll pay $15 a month for it. But if you love the game, then you're going to feel like it's worth it to toss them a few bones from time to time to make your character prettier or travel in style, since the only other cash they got from you is when they sold you the game. |
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