Oh and btw pay to win means to me:

Buying an item or service that will grant a boost or advantage ammong other players even if is 1% health, luck or exp. Wathever item that will grant you a benefit that  other person cannot access at the current time, only way to achieve it is to buy the same item which is currently located in a CASH SHOP. CASH SHOP = buying a virtual item with real money. $$$$

An advantage bought with real money.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Exactly! i will buy items too to BOOST myself to take an advantage!

But i dont lie and try to fool people telling them theres no advantage when in reality theres a little love for the ones who buy this items to get advantage or cheat. Oh wait is not cheating just because the developer said is ok and hes the one selling them. :)

Originally posted by Zoyita

Oh and btw pay to win means to me:

Buying an item or service that will grant a boost or advantage ammong other players even if is 1% health, luck or exp. Wathever item that will grant you a benefit that  other person cannot access at the current time, only way to achieve it is to buy the same item which is currently located in a CASH SHOP. CASH SHOP = buying a virtual item with real money. $$$$

An advantage bought with real money.

Then your only alternative is playing a sub game.

Originally posted by Zoyita

Oh and btw pay to win means to me:

Buying an item or service that will grant a boost or advantage ammong other players even if is 1% health, luck or exp. Wathever item that will grant you a benefit that  other person cannot access at the current time, only way to achieve it is to buy the same item which is currently located in a CASH SHOP. CASH SHOP = buying a virtual item with real money. $$$$

An advantage bought with real money.

That's not pay to win though. There is no stat boost in the Cash Shop. You can't get better items from the Cash Shop, you can't be more competitive with the Cash Shop. A bonus in xp will make you level faster, so what? There is no end-game raiding to look forward to and when you get back you are deleveled so there what's the bonus of an xp boost? All the Cash Shop offers is advantage for the buyer it doesn't affect ANYONE ELSE, it's convienience to level up quickly or get more karma quickly, it doesn't AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY. So there is no pay to win, you cannot "win" anything by using real money. That's the whole point if you can't see it it's fine just don't post garbage about it being pay to win because it isn't.

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Zoyita

Oh and btw pay to win means to me:

Buying an item or service that will grant a boost or advantage ammong other players even if is 1% health, luck or exp. Wathever item that will grant you a benefit that  other person cannot access at the current time, only way to achieve it is to buy the same item which is currently located in a CASH SHOP. CASH SHOP = buying a virtual item with real money. $$$$

An advantage bought with real money.

That's not pay to win though. There is no stat boost in the Cash Shop. You can't get better items from the Cash Shop, you can't be more competitive with the Cash Shop. A bonus in xp will make you level faster, so what? There is no end-game raiding to look forward to and when you get back you are deleveled so there what's the bonus of an xp boost? All the Cash Shop offers is advantage for the buyer it doesn't affect ANYONE ELSE, it's convienience to level up quickly or get more karma quickly, it doesn't AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY. So there is no pay to win, you cannot "win" anything by using real money. That's the whole point if you can't see it it's fine just don't post garbage about it being pay to win because it isn't.

Just quoting for truth - the above underlined is the truth.

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Zoyita

Oh and btw pay to win means to me:

Buying an item or service that will grant a boost or advantage ammong other players even if is 1% health, luck or exp. Wathever item that will grant you a benefit that  other person cannot access at the current time, only way to achieve it is to buy the same item which is currently located in a CASH SHOP. CASH SHOP = buying a virtual item with real money. $$$$

An advantage bought with real money.

That's not pay to win though. There is no stat boost in the Cash Shop. You can't get better items from the Cash Shop, you can't be more competitive with the Cash Shop. A bonus in xp will make you level faster, so what? There is no end-game raiding to look forward to and when you get back you are deleveled so there what's the bonus of an xp boost? All the Cash Shop offers is advantage for the buyer it doesn't affect ANYONE ELSE, it's convienience to level up quickly or get more karma quickly, it doesn't AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY. So there is no pay to win, you cannot "win" anything by using real money. That's the whole point if you can't see it it's fine just don't post garbage about it being pay to win because it isn't.

I don't understand the mindset of an apologist.  Be honest with yourself.  Life will be much better, I promise.  No guilt, no lying to yourself.  It's good stuff.

Bought and paid for advantages definitely impact other people.  I have a lot of money to blow on whatever I want, and I will likely purchase tons of gold through selling gems and buy a lot of expensive siege gear early on to give my server an advantage.  I can only hope you aren't paired against whatever server I choose to play on or you will be in for a rude awakening.

You'll also notice the impact that my money will have on my character should you ever face me in WvWvW.  My superior gear and higher natural character level will definitely have an impact on how well I perform on the field of battle.  The boosts will make it possible for me to out-level (experience boost) and out-gear (karma boost) people for the first few weeks or so, skewing boons heavily towards my server.  I'll be feeding these boosts to guildmates as well, ensuring we dominate in PvP.

But sure, bury your head in the sand and pretend that none of the boosts have any impact on you.  Keep telling yourself that after I flatten you with ease.

Originally posted by Zoyita

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Exactly! i will buy items too to BOOST myself to take an advantage!

But i dont lie and try to fool people telling them theres no advantage when in reality theres a little love for the ones who buy this items to get advantage or cheat. Oh wait is not cheating just because the developer said is ok and hes the one selling them. :)

take advantage against what???? against other players isnt for sure...

convienience is very diferent form P2W (advantage stuff over other players). 

I'm finding it really hard to comprehend how people are seeing Guild Wars 2 as a "pay to win" game. I understand this is the internet, and that ignorance and incompetency runs rampant; but there is absolutely nothing in the cash shop that gives one player who throws some RL money at it a strategical or statistical advantage when it comes down to straight gameplay.  What am I going to do, buy a dye pack and get a dye so awesome looking that it causes you to be frozen in awe while I smash your face in with no shot of you winning?

The closest thing to being a "pay to win" item in the sense that I automatically have an inherent advantage that I've seen in 2 BWEs and 2 stress tests is the "XP Boost." And even then, XP comes by so ridiculously fast that it does very little for you. Wait, hold that though, it doesn't do anything for you because all the content is scaled. When you step into WvW or a Conquest PvP game, you get scaled to Level 80, when you zone into a dungeon, you get scaled to that dungeons level, so how exactly does that give that person a "distinct and inherent advantage."

The answer: It doesn't. In fact, leveling faster hurts you in almost every instance where you would be leveled down. Because not only does leveling down do a flat decrease to your stats/damage, it also references your gear's level versus the level you are scaled to. So leveling really quickly to 45 or 50 then deciding to do Ascalonian Catacombs Explorable mode (level 35) does more harm than good because you would probably have barely touched the level 30 zone, and thus would have gear that is severely outdated not only for your level, but also the content you are doing.

Of course, all that means is you have a lot less than health than you could have/should have, but the fact still remains, it provides no distinct advantage over another player, and in this case a disadvantage. Pretty much every item in the cash shop is cosmetic, with a few exceptions, and those exceptions do nothing to provide "auto-win advantages." Sure, some rich bloke could get a lot of gold really quickly, but that exchange is player driven and will see inflation/recession depending upon supply/demand. It boils down to the formula of "I could farm gold for X hours, taking time out of other hobbies/jobs. Or I could work a few hours overtime, get Y amount of money, and get the gold I was going to farm anyway for the same amount of time investment." 

I see nothing wrong with the above, as long as the rich bloke with the fancy 6 figure salary or the trust fund kid blowing his parent's legacy doesn't get free "I win"cards, which with what I've seen from the cash shop so far, are not being sold currently, and hopefully never will be.

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Zoyita

Oh and btw pay to win means to me:

Buying an item or service that will grant a boost or advantage ammong other players even if is 1% health, luck or exp. Wathever item that will grant you a benefit that  other person cannot access at the current time, only way to achieve it is to buy the same item which is currently located in a CASH SHOP. CASH SHOP = buying a virtual item with real money. $$$$

An advantage bought with real money.

That's not pay to win though. There is no stat boost in the Cash Shop. You can't get better items from the Cash Shop, you can't be more competitive with the Cash Shop. A bonus in xp will make you level faster, so what? There is no end-game raiding to look forward to and when you get back you are deleveled so there what's the bonus of an xp boost? All the Cash Shop offers is advantage for the buyer it doesn't affect ANYONE ELSE, it's convienience to level up quickly or get more karma quickly, it doesn't AFFECT YOU IN ANY WAY. So there is no pay to win, you cannot "win" anything by using real money. That's the whole point if you can't see it it's fine just don't post garbage about it being pay to win because it isn't.

dont even bother explain more. 

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

Originally posted by Zoyita

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Exactly! i will buy items too to BOOST myself to take an advantage!

But i dont lie and try to fool people telling them theres no advantage when in reality theres a little love for the ones who buy this items to get advantage or cheat. Oh wait is not cheating just because the developer said is ok and hes the one selling them. :)

take advantage against what???? against other players isnt for sure...

convienience is very diferent form P2W (advantage stuff over other players). 

You're either lying to yourself or you've bought into the spin from ArenaNet saying these are "convenience" items. 

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?  How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?  How do you reconcile your "convenience" stance with the fact that I have bent the standard rules of the game in my favor by paying money and as a result will be better geared, innately stronger, and wealtheir (by buying gold through selling gems) than other people who don't buy the same advantages?  Stop lying to yourself and admit that this game is selling several advantage-granting items on the shop.  How big or small or easy to dismiss they are to you is irrelevant; the fact is that the game treats people who buy these items more favorably than those who don't.

I fully intend to be in the best position possible at all times.  I feel for those of you who won't be.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

Originally posted by Zoyita

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Exactly! i will buy items too to BOOST myself to take an advantage!

But i dont lie and try to fool people telling them theres no advantage when in reality theres a little love for the ones who buy this items to get advantage or cheat. Oh wait is not cheating just because the developer said is ok and hes the one selling them. :)

take advantage against what???? against other players isnt for sure...

convienience is very diferent form P2W (advantage stuff over other players). 

You're either lying to yourself or you've bought into the spin from ArenaNet saying these are "convenience" items. 

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?  How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?  How do you reconcile your "convenience" stance with the fact that I have bent the standard rules of the game in my favor by paying money and as a result will be better geared, innately stronger, and wealtheir (by buying gold through selling gems) than other people who don't buy the same advantages?  Stop lying to yourself and admit that this game is selling several advantage-granting items on the shop.  How big or small or easy to dismiss they are to you is irrelevant; the fact is that the game treats people who buy these items more favorably than those who don't.

I fully intend to be in the best position possible at all times.  I feel for those of you who won't be.

sorry but your ignorance is amazing. 50% karma boost? unless you want to buy an amazing diferent sets from hearts vendor what advantage you have against me that dont have 50% karma boost? im still be able to buy anything i want from karma vendors because karma is very easy to obtain

you leveling 25% faster than other guys? more like 5% you mean? 

lets make this simple. you are at lvl80 me too tell me what you can buy that give any advantage against me.

everything i saw is i can lvl faster so that is P2W, so if i have more time to play than you im clear gonna WIN since i will having a great advantage against you.lool

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

Originally posted by Zoyita

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Exactly! i will buy items too to BOOST myself to take an advantage!

But i dont lie and try to fool people telling them theres no advantage when in reality theres a little love for the ones who buy this items to get advantage or cheat. Oh wait is not cheating just because the developer said is ok and hes the one selling them. :)

take advantage against what???? against other players isnt for sure...

convienience is very diferent form P2W (advantage stuff over other players). 

You're either lying to yourself or you've bought into the spin from ArenaNet saying these are "convenience" items. 

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?  How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?  How do you reconcile your "convenience" stance with the fact that I have bent the standard rules of the game in my favor by paying money and as a result will be better geared, innately stronger, and wealtheir (by buying gold through selling gems) than other people who don't buy the same advantages?  Stop lying to yourself and admit that this game is selling several advantage-granting items on the shop.  How big or small or easy to dismiss they are to you is irrelevant; the fact is that the game treats people who buy these items more favorably than those who don't.

I fully intend to be in the best position possible at all times.  I feel for those of you who won't be.

The fact is, we just don't care. You might be able to beat me the first week with your higher level and "uber" gear, but at the end of the first month I'll be right there next to you and all the money you've spent wouldn't matter in the slightest. Actually, I'd feel sorry for you for rushing through the game and not experiencing everything I've been through.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

Originally posted by Zoyita

Originally posted by McMoneybags

You're either lying to yourself or you've bought into the spin from ArenaNet saying these are "convenience" items. 

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?  How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?  How do you reconcile your "convenience" stance with the fact that I have bent the standard rules of the game in my favor by paying money and as a result will be better geared, innately stronger, and wealtheir (by buying gold through selling gems) than other people who don't buy the same advantages?  Stop lying to yourself and admit that this game is selling several advantage-granting items on the shop.  How big or small or easy to dismiss they are to you is irrelevant; the fact is that the game treats people who buy these items more favorably than those who don't.

I fully intend to be in the best position possible at all times.  I feel for those of you who won't be.

The whole point of your arguement is easily countered with the fact that I can buy all those items with ingame gold and the fact that you can get these in drops.  During BWE1 I got a couple mystic chests and threw them in my bank.  In BWE 2 I got 2 keys from drops and opened up my mystic chests that hand an experience boost and karma boost in them. 

The point is there are ways to get the same advantage without spending real money.  Your arguement doesnt have any concrete evidence against the facts.

Well, I just got off the phone with Charlie Sheen and he confrimed GW2's cash shop is definitely not "WINNING!" so I guess everyone can relex now.

The 'trolls' are strong in this thread, and by 'trolls' I mean the obviously slow in the head folk. I wouldn't even give them the shred of dignity they would give themselves by calling them trolls. If someone truly does think that XP and Karma boosts, and a quick exchange of RL money for in-game gold will gaurentee them winning, they will meet a rude awakening when they encounter skilled players in WvW (I exclude Conquest PvP because the gear is the exact same, and everyone has full access to all of it right from the start, so it boils strictly down to who made the better build and who plays their profession better). Having marginally better gear slightly faster than me won't matter when you can't play your class better than the guy you're fighting can play his.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Bought and paid for advantages definitely impact other people.  I have a lot of money to blow on whatever I want, and I will likely purchase tons of gold through selling gems and buy a lot of expensive siege gear early on to give my server an advantage.  I can only hope you aren't paired against whatever server I choose to play on or you will be in for a rude awakening.

You'll also notice the impact that my money will have on my character should you ever face me in WvWvW.  My superior gear and higher natural character level will definitely have an impact on how well I perform on the field of battle.  The boosts will make it possible for me to out-level (experience boost) and out-gear (karma boost) people for the first few weeks or so, skewing boons heavily towards my server.  I'll be feeding these boosts to guildmates as well, ensuring we dominate in PvP.

But sure, bury your head in the sand and pretend that none of the boosts have any impact on you.  Keep telling yourself that after I flatten you with ease.

     Trolls can be adorable, can't they folks? Let's give this one a hand for his persistence. Here's a couple little rain showers for your troll parade, Sparky. First, the level boosting in WvW negates a significant amount of any benefits levelling provides between players. I've already beaten players I know were above level 30 (they had elites) on my mesmer around level 20. Why? All I've really played is mesmer and I've so far gotten a pretty good feel for it (which really adds to my confusion as to why everyone is saying they're broken, but that's an aside...). So, in a nutshell, you can be boosted with your added experience gains or whatever but they won't do you a damned bit of good if you don't know your profession and I know mine. Basic Sun Tzu stuff there. Now... the whole buying siege blueprints thing makes me giggle. What will be fun is building the trebuchet I got from a BP drop off a dolyak (actually paid me to get the BP) to rain fiery death on people trying to set up one time use only siege gear some dumbarse paid for (via trading gems for gold). Imagine the rage in their minds when they don't even get to use the equipment they thought was going to give them an illusionary advantage. Ah, it'll fuel me. So yeah... I can get BPs for free while playing the game, you buy them, I destroy yours... I'm sorry, were we talking about pay to win?

     So yeah, spend away if that's actually your intention and not simply a ruse to try and get a rise out of people on the internet. I'll see you coming, giggle and show you that play to win will always beat pay to win in GW2. Hell, it's easy to beat what doesn't exist.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

Originally posted by Zoyita

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Exactly! i will buy items too to BOOST myself to take an advantage!

But i dont lie and try to fool people telling them theres no advantage when in reality theres a little love for the ones who buy this items to get advantage or cheat. Oh wait is not cheating just because the developer said is ok and hes the one selling them. :)

take advantage against what???? against other players isnt for sure...

convienience is very diferent form P2W (advantage stuff over other players). 

You're either lying to yourself or you've bought into the spin from ArenaNet saying these are "convenience" items. 

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?  How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?  How do you reconcile your "convenience" stance with the fact that I have bent the standard rules of the game in my favor by paying money and as a result will be better geared, innately stronger, and wealtheir (by buying gold through selling gems) than other people who don't buy the same advantages?  Stop lying to yourself and admit that this game is selling several advantage-granting items on the shop.  How big or small or easy to dismiss they are to you is irrelevant; the fact is that the game treats people who buy these items more favorably than those who don't.

I fully intend to be in the best position possible at all times.  I feel for those of you who won't be.

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?

Its an advantage to gain Karma at a greater rate but the advantage is one of CONVENIENCE! In the same way that my Guild Mate who works part time and can physically level more than myself who works a 5 day week has a Conveniant advantage when it comes to gaming. What Paying to Win is, is completely different and seperate from this. 

Irregardless of the fact someone can earn Karma at a different rate there is nothing that prevents one player or another earning equal equivalent items in this game. The player that buys the inefficient and relatively expensive hour boosts of karma can not buy a magical item that a guy who doesn't  purchase boosts will never be able too purchase either. 

How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?Same thing its an advantage of conveniance but only if you think being level 80 is the be all and end all of playing this game. Who gives a damn buddy! Just have some fun enjoy the world, dip in and out of pvp. At some point we'll all get to level 80 and at that point the boosts are irrelevant, and if you don't want to gear through Karma go for dungeons instead.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

How is me having a 50% faster rate of gaining karma, the currency used to purchase end-game items, not an advantage over the guy who doesn't buy karma boosts?  How is me leveling 25% faster than the guy who doesn't buy experience boosts not an advantage?  How do you reconcile your "convenience" stance with the fact that I have bent the standard rules of the game in my favor by paying money and as a result will be better geared, innately stronger, and wealtheir (by buying gold through selling gems) than other people who don't buy the same advantages?

The items you buy with boosted karma are the same I buy without boosts. Boosted experience lets you reach level 80 a few days faster. I don't play as much these days, so you probably would have reached level 80 before me anyway. I wouldn't even notice, because it doesn't affect me in any way.

You did not bend any rule, you needlessly spent real cash to play less of the game you already payed for. And in the end, you're neither better geared, nor stronger, nor does your wealth buy you any competitive advantage over me.

No spin, no lying.

Originally posted by McMoneybags

Now folks, let's just be honest.  This game is pay to win/pay for advantages. This is imperical fact.  It's measurable.

Nobody can say with a straight face that paying money for gems and purchasing a boost from the shop doesn't give the person who bought the boost an advantage.  If my karma gain rate is 50% higher than the next guys, I have a leg up on him in terms of being able to buy end-game karma gear from the vendors in capital cities.

Nobody can say with a straight face that me buying gems and selling them for gold won't give me a leg-up over the next guy when it comes to buying siege weaponry or other potentially expensive items.  I'll have the gold I earned through playing plus the gold I essentially bought from ArenaNet.

Now, I think it's a good thing that we can purchase advantages.  I get to flex my wallet online as well offline.  I'll get to lord my fancy gear that I obtained through leveling faster over you, crush you in WvWvW due to superior statistical bonuses from my gear thanks to karma boosts, and just look awesome due to the wide array of dyes I'll have compared to the rest of the peasant folk.  This is capitalism in gaming.  He with the money wins offline, and now wins online.

Buy it all, if you don't understand the skills on your bar, no amount of money will save you. As was stated, at lvl 80 ALL armor is the same but for looks.

This game does not have the same problems, as Allods Online does, where you have to buy stuff or you will never be able to compete. It doesn't matter in this game. Buying stff will get you to 80 a few days quicker, but in PvP all players are lvl 80.

Your attitude belies the fact that you have not played the game.

It is skill that wins PvP in GW1 AND GW2, not how much money you put into the CS or how much you grind for uber armor(as was stated there is no 'UBER' armor).

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people dont know what P2W mean period. when you see guys saying EXP boost is a P2W item you can tell they dont know what are P2W item. 

 

No, your definition of p2w isn't definitive. In a hobby where accomplishment and experience (not xp but observing, encountering and gaining knowledge ones own self) is the point, but can also be bought, that's p2w. Which is why "they only have different garments or mounts" is not an argument against p2w. If I spend my game time gaining an object or set of clothing, only to turn the corner and see some guy who just started play wearing the same clobber which he bought from the item shop... yeah that fun.