I disagree, in some ways the only thing keeping WoW alive is the sub fee.

You play to ensure your 15 dollars is being used, and you keep paying because you don't want to waste all that money you've spent wasn't wasted.

Being F2P would kind of remove  the "need" to play a lot of people who are still playing have.

I left WoW, and have no plans of returning. Panda express doesn't interest me at all.

The only thing that will kill WoW is Blizz. themselves. Ghostcrawler is just one of the reason I will not return.

GW2, as all mmorpgs, will have its' own following. Most mmo titles are still running today. Even UO is still alive. A mmo usually only dies when the company pulls the plug. That's what happened with Earth and Beyond. I would possibliy still be in that one if it were still running. Shoot EQ1 is still going.

I don't look for WoW or GW2 to die anytime soon. They will both live long, productive lives.

You clearly don't understand how F2P works. If GW2 and WoW are both f2p; then play both. 

It seems that some people think that the biggest thing working for GW2 is the Buy to Play business model, as if it's not worth a subscription fee and that's the reason there is no subscription fee.

That's just not the case. GW2 is the real deal. Massive, immersive world, unmatched game design centered around fun, rather than time sinks and features/systems that make playing with others a joy, rather than an annoyance. An over abundance of content, including a level 2-15 and 15-25 zone for each of the five races and at least two zones in every level range from there to the cap at 80. Dynamic Events, which are not just glorified Public Quests, further enhance the feeling of a living, breathing world and ensure that subsequent journeys through the same zone may offer up a different experience.

Did I mention it's fun?

I'll pass on writing a novella of all the things this game has going for it, from top to bottom. Let me just say as a 14+ year veteran of the MMO genre, who has become very jaded when it comes to MMO releases, I'm very impressed with this game. The game design itself is inovative, with many people who have played GW2 having trouble returning to other games. The content is plentiful and replay value is enormous. IMO, GW2 offers the most complete and compelling MMO experience since the launch of WoW and if any game has the potential for significant account growth and player retention, it's GW2.

The lack of a subscription fee just makes it easier for fans to wander in and out of the game, with out having to justify an ongoing fee or cut ties with the game if they decide to take a couple weeks to play the next big PC game to hit the shelves. The irony of GW2 is that if any MMO is worth a subscription fee, it's GW2.

"Man this game is fun and was well worth its money, but hey what is that? The same old shallow, mindnumbing, tedious, ugly and unimaginative cookie grinder I wasted my money on once before went F2P. Damn! Boredom for free and they wouldnt even ask me to waste money on it! That sound interesting! I shall quickly cease my enjoyment and proceed to accept this great offer!"

Makes no sense? Neither those the OP.

Originally posted by Badaboom

Originally posted by nomatics856

 Now its just go in walk around  town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.

Wow is dead to me. 

after 7 years it died for me as well R.I.P 

Look at me I have an idea how to make another "WoW will kill all" thread so that I can lure the haters in and single them out one by one.

Seriously, WHY continue beating a dead horse. If you wanna play it play it, if you don't don't. Wow will not go f2p before Titan comes out, you think blizz would kill it's cash cow just because you (and well most of us) got oversaturated by it?

Originally posted by Heinz130

being free will not make wow a bettr game

This. All day. The game was good years ago. It's a classic. But even the worse P2P MMOs to come out in the past 2 years are, IMO, better than WoW is in it's current state.

It's like comparing Limbo or LBP2 to the orignal Mario.

Originally posted by nomatics856

Sad state of fairs this is true, I do not like WoW not for its gameplay I think its fun, but I do not think it needs to be pay to play nor does any mmorpg out here today, no mmorpg is worth it, none of them offer the sense of exploration or adventure or extreme content generating that games like UO or EQ had, basically WoW is now a 3D lobby where you want to que in with other players to take down a boss or do a dungeon run, why am I paying 15$ a month for this again? And not just WoW but every other new mmorpg out there today.

 

 

Mostly instanced, short lived crap. Thats whats wrong with WOW its no longer that go out and explore find new people, content generating game that it use to be, matter fact vaniella WoW was the closest we had to a sandbox game in a long time. Now its just go in walk around  town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.

you might like TSW;  but then, its not f2p.

lol. like anyone want play GW2 cares about WoW, they actually hate WoW and WoW clones. WoW could go F2P that will not do any harm to GW2 player base....

people want GW2 because is lot diferent from WoW

No. Everyone who has ever wanted to play wow has played wow at this point. I doubt if they went free to play that their numbers would spike at all.

1: "WoW went F2P!"

2: "Meh, I got over that game 5 years ago before it became a carebear cloud kingdom."

Oh my! Can you imagine that board meeting?

OP "Let's go f2p to increase revenue."

Board "What?"

OP "Yeah let's give up an automatic $150 million dollars a month because if we do we will make more money."

Board: "You're fired." 

OP:    :( 

******** BTW it is "sad state of AFFAIRS" not fairs***********************

I wouldn't bother with a F2P game from Blizzard ... they are too greedy to make it work :p

It would also destroy itself

Just as WoW destroyed all other p2p mmos.. oh wait it didn't.

titan will be a free to play crap to get blizz pockets full of $$

look at diablo3, they realesed a bugged game without endgame content just to make profit from box sell and RMAH

and ofc ppl still bought it then cried on thier forum :)

If WoW went F2P it would not destroy GW2. Why? You still have to get WoW and all it's chapters somehow - You will probably have to buy them, so WoW would be B2P and a game with 7 yr old graphics may not compete on a lvl field well.

Originally posted by galoari

I wouldn't bother with a F2P game from Blizzard ... they are too greedy to make it work :p

Someone that must have everything would probably be able to spend $1000/month... F2P would just make the game worse. Like all former P2P games that are now F2P... Terrible games..

Originally posted by VassagoMael

Oh my! Can you imagine that board meeting?

OP "Let's go f2p to increase revenue."

Board "What?"

OP "Yeah let's give up an automatic $150 million dollars a month because if we do we will make more money."

 

Board: "You're fired." 

OP:    :( 

 

******** BTW it is "sad state of AFFAIRS" not fairs***********************

i don't know about that, the last few fairs i've seen have been in a pretty deplorable state, not to mention the amount usually charged on the different rides was pretty extortionate... come to think of it..  they kind of remind me of most f2p games

The statement that "If wow went F2P it would destroy <whatever game you like>" is completely illogical. If WoW went F2P then people would be free to play WoW plus any other number of F2P games and jump between them as they wanted, if they got bored, fed up, missed friends, whatever.

WoW going F2P would do NOTHING to any other game. It would only affect WoW.