Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by Sebber

If people leave GW2 after 2-3 months, which they will, the games a failue too. Both mmos, both need population, don't see the difference.

You can't leave a game without a sub fee. I don't play counter strike anymore but i loved that game, and i can still play it if i wan't to. Counter Strike diden't fail even if most of the population left.

Failed logic. GW2 needs players to buy packs and waste money on a cash shop. If GW2 as low pop, it means worser wvw battles, less people to group up, less community, etc. Of course you can leave. Just stop playing the game.

Counter strike ins't an mmo, and neither is GW1

Well Counter strike 1.6 , made enough money to make another game Counter strike CZ, with made money to make Counter Strike Source with made enough money to make Counter Strike GO.

You can say the same about GW1 here, and will most likely follow over to GW2.

Originally posted by Aerowyn

my guess would still be GW2 as it has more mass appeal. Both are great games though.. Good MMO year 2012 has become:)

This is how I see it as well. After the false start of SWtOR it's good to see a lot of positivety coming from the MMORPG space.

TSW isn't my game by a long shot, but I am glad folks are enjoying it.

With two games trying something new becoming a success maybe we will see more investment in left field ideas in the genre in the future. Both games being successful is good for all of us.

Now all we need is a successful sandbox to land to really blow the doors open...

Originally posted by Sebber

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by Sebber

If people leave GW2 after 2-3 months, which they will, the games a failue too. Both mmos, both need population, don't see the difference.

You can't leave a game without a sub fee. I don't play counter strike anymore but i loved that game, and i can still play it if i wan't to. Counter Strike diden't fail even if most of the population left.

Failed logic. GW2 needs players to buy packs and waste money on a cash shop. If GW2 as low pop, it means worser wvw battles, less people to group up, less community, etc. Of course you can leave. Just stop playing the game.

Counter strike ins't an mmo, and neither is GW1

Well Counter strike 1.6 , made enough money to make another game Counter strike CZ, with made money to make Counter Strike Source with made enough money to make Counter Strike GO.

You can say the same about GW1 here, and will most likely follow over to GW2.

What? Everybody calls AO and AOC complete failure, along with other Funcom games like Bloodline Champions, yet, they just produced and financed TSW all by themselves without a publisher. The important thing is, what does that have to do with anything?

You said that because GW2 doesn't have a sub, it can't fail. However, GW1 could hide it's population, and because it was a co-op game, you didn't need people to do pve, and only a small amount for lobby pvp.

GW2 is a full morpg that requires lots of players to have a community and population spread over multyple servers, people needing each other for groups of DE, dungeons, market, and wvwvw. So, if i see server merges or low pop in the game, how's that any different from any sub based mmo?

Exactly, the main thing here is not who gets the "best" title, but that the two that try something different do well, and appear to be the best new entries for 2012.

In a perfect world, good games would be successful and their fans wouldn't bash each other...

Specially when those are games that finally bring fresh elements and move away form the box that MMO's have been stuck in for a decade or more.

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

Originally posted by p_c_sousa

im pretty sure GW2 will be GOTY 2012. GOTY dont mean quality??? as i remember most of GOTY were amazing games, possible not the best of that year but for sure amazing. 

They won it because they're popular. Do you honestly because an indie title, even if original, risky and innovational would win GOTY? I'm not saying those games aren't good, but don't win because of that.

uncharted 2, read dead redemption, batman asylum , fallout 3, borderlands, oblivion, skyrim, AC, GoW (just name some)im pretty sure  all have a GOTY version and all are some of best games release on past years. all with very high rated reviews. most of GOTY games i know they are for sure popular but have amazing quality.

IMO if a game have a GOTY version 80% of time have amazing quality

one thing for sure:  2012 is a great year for MMORPG, i didnt like TSW combat/animation but the game have great quality and is far from the tipic WoW based game

Originally posted by Gargola

Exactly, the main thing here is not who gets the "best" title, but that the two that try something different do well, and appear to be the best new entries for 2012.

 

In a perfect world, good games would be successful and their fans wouldn't bash each other...

Specially when those are games that finally bring fresh elements and move away form the box that MMO's have been stuck in for a decade or more.

  I like TSW and GW2 equaly because they're both breaking away from the wow model. I don't care about GOTY, so all i know is that i'll eventually enjoy both, if i end up buying them, of course, so they're winners in my book.

And hopefully, others devs will follow for the years to come so we can have more variety and more victors

As a general rule, no matter how much you love any given MMO. Play it for more than a week before you call something GOTY (not like GOTY label has any meaning these days considering every minor blog about gaming gives their own GOTY awards...) . Wait till you see the game at "end game", wait till you go through all zones, all missions, come back in 2-3 months, and if it still is enjoyable, then it will actually have some validity in it. 

Every game is fun when it's fresh, happened to every major MMO release over last years. TOR was "GOTY", WAR was "GOTY"... it's almost as good as the whole "WoW killer" cliche that's thrown around constantly. Give it time.

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

GW2 is a full morpg that requires lots of players to have a community and population spread over multyple servers, people needing each other for groups of DE, dungeons, market, and wvwvw. So, if i see server merges or low pop in the game, how's that any different from any sub based mmo?

The difference is that I can keep playing GW2 casually for 15-30h / month without feeling that it's just a waste of 15$ / month. Players are much more likely to stick around than in sub-based games.

@topic: high user scores are normal for games that just released. TOR was #1 as well.

A User rating of 9?  That wont last long.  Tera was number one in ratings the first week it was released as well, not sure where it is now, but its not in the top 7 listed on the front page.  Lately, every hyped new game upon release has catapulted into the number 1 spot for a couple weeks or more then plummets.  Come back in a month and see where TSW ranks. 

The only game on the horizon I can see lasting in the number 1 spot longer than Rift has is going to be GW2.

Ever since GW2 was announced,  no sub-based MMO has provided me with an offering of a similar level. TSW included. Also, I was burned by Failcom in AoC...

I could have played TERA, chose not to, its crashing and burning. I could have played TSW, chose to wait for GW2 (2 months now)...lets see what happens for TSW. At least it isn't as bad as AoC

GOTY? GW2, no question.

Originally posted by VowOfSilence

Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

GW2 is a full morpg that requires lots of players to have a community and population spread over multyple servers, people needing each other for groups of DE, dungeons, market, and wvwvw. So, if i see server merges or low pop in the game, how's that any different from any sub based mmo?

The difference is that I can keep playing GW2 casually for 15-30h / month without feeling that it's just a waste of 15$ / month. Players are much more likely to stick around than in sub-based games.

@topic: high user scores are normal for games that just released. TOR was #1 as well.

Actually, i can flip that logic around and use it. Because there's no sub, players feel there's even less of a reason to keep playing the game once they're bored. People jumping in for maybe an hour a week, maybe 3 times a month isn't much. Keep in mind, we don't know what will happen, and i don't claim too, but business model doesn't change the fact that this game is still a normal mmorpg with limited content and population requirements. And, no saying the game will "fail"

Also, i don't know about other players, but i never pay a sub without knowing for sure i'm getting my times worth

gw2 will win game of the year if  is not yet  ,but TSW ..meh not really are that great to compete in game of years lets just say it just another swtor theme.but hey any or theyr own thast is just mi opinion

Originally posted by Ramonski7
I'm sorry but I've play many mmos over the years and by far TSW has captured my attention in the ways I'd hope SWTOR would had. From its mature fresh setting, innovative questing system, welcome back take on 3 way pvp, robust skill system and real world connections to its ingame universe. TSW should be a GoTY no brainer.

I mean to me, like SWTOR, GW2 is both blessed and anchored by its IP. And although its second take on the fantasy setting for mmorpgs looks promising, the whole B2P option and fantasy theme make it a sound and safe bet for investors, article writers and awards. But whatever the outcome is, I'm going to be a very happy mmorpg fan that will enjoy both for several months.

Feel the same way about secret world tho gw 2 isnt what i thought it would be atleast not for now, never thought that this the secret world would work out for me didnt like it at all in closed betas last year or so and weekends but i did play bit more and was hooked . Tho i am still in the first zones so praying things arent messed up later on . Was realy hyped for gw 2 and also played the game few times at last gamescom convention in germany , but the gw2 weekends where realy not what i thought it would be .

Performance was realy bad for me on all gw 2 beta weekends and running pretty decent setup (gtx 580 , 16 gig ram and i7) , i did hear they where working on it tho now i am worried about it since if it was a easy fix they would have done it already for the weekends , also i didnt feel attached to my char for some reason the movement / fighting did feel very random in gw2 in my oppinion.

Only downside so far from secret world are the animations but after a few days i am starting to get used to them to but the overal feeling , quest etc are something i did miss since swg and earlyer games before that . ( sorry for bad english , bottle of wine and its getting late ;)

Originally posted by dadante666

gw2 will win game of the year if  is not yet  ,but TSW ..meh not really are that great to compete in game of years lets just say it just another swtor theme.but hey any or theyr own thast is just mi opinion

The game has it's flaws but its mad fun and I'm really enjoying it however the GW2 fanboys will do anything to get their GOTY award.

The games that are hyped the most i will avoid until it's out 7 months.

TSW sounds more imteresting to me then GW2 right now for the only reason GW2 seems to be just another over hyped themepark level based PVP focused niche MMO.

I'm sure GW2 will do well but, but it's just not something i'm interested in or will be.

The Secret World is a good game, but there is no way it should be anywhere near a GOTY title. It breaks the mould a bit finally so there is no sniff of a WoW clone but it will not be the best game to come out this year by a long shot.

Originally posted by dadante666

gw2 will win game of the year if  is not yet  ,but TSW ..meh not really are that great to compete in game of years lets just say it just another swtor theme.but hey any or theyr own thast is just mi opinion

i doubt gw2 will win game of the year.sure,it will do good.but i doubt half of the people right now hyping the game up will stick with it,i guess swtor wasnt a good enough example of hype doesnt make a good mmo

Originally posted by dadante666

gw2 will win game of the year if  is not yet  ,but TSW ..meh not really are that great to compete in game of years lets just say it just another swtor theme.but hey any or theyr own thast is just mi opinion

TSW is light years ahead of SWTOR. I was hyped more than anyone for SWTOR but it was filled with corridors, no quests were any different to the norm just your quest text was delivered in a cutscene where you had some choice over what you said.

At least the locations in TSW feel alive, everywhere in SWTOR was a ghost town.

Originally posted by SlickShoes

Originally posted by dadante666

gw2 will win game of the year if  is not yet  ,but TSW ..meh not really are that great to compete in game of years lets just say it just another swtor theme.but hey any or theyr own thast is just mi opinion

TSW is light years ahead of SWTOR. I was hyped more than anyone for SWTOR but it was filled with corridors, no quests were any different to the norm just your quest text was delivered in a cutscene where you had some choice over what you said.

At least the locations in TSW feel alive, everywhere in SWTOR was a ghost town.

i wouldnt really call tsw that great of a mmo eather.if you dont remember,funcom is the same company that made age of conan and looked at where that headed

this year just doesnt really seem like the greatest year for mmos.but meh,theres still hope that gw2 wont suck