I left WoW because of the extreme repetitiveness involved.  Grind out gear, get gear, right after you get your set a new set comes out.  Grind out rep, max rep, new rep comes out.  Another reason was that gear meant everything.  I would have probably stuck with WoW a lot longer (which was pretty long) if they focused more on content (especially PvP) than new ways for you to grind. 

Don't get me wrong, I like getting rewards.  What I don't like is, in order for you to keep enjoying the game you had to grind your ass off.  What this did for me was, take something I thought was fun, and made it into a job.  It gets to the point where you are no longer playing to have fun.  You are working in order to have fun later, only to go through the very same process again, and again.  

One of the reasons other games didn't last nearly as long for me was because they copied this formula.  

You might be right that WoW would destroy GW2 if it went free to play.  At the same time, do you really think everything they would sell in their cash shop would be fluff items?  If they were nothing but fluff, you can bet a RMAH would be implemented.  To top that off, I'm sure they would go with a tiered system similar to F2P EQ2, which will basically gimp you in a few ways.  We won't have that problem in GW2.

if i recall,when they planned to lunch wow ,they toyed with the idea of lunching like diablo(2 back then)

Originally posted by nomatics856

Sad state of fairs this is true, I do not like WoW not for its gameplay I think its fun, but I do not think it needs to be pay to play nor does any mmorpg out here today, no mmorpg is worth it, none of them offer the sense of exploration or adventure or extreme content generating that games like UO or EQ had, basically WoW is now a 3D lobby where you want to que in with other players to take down a boss or do a dungeon run, why am I paying 15$ a month for this again? And not just WoW but every other new mmorpg out there today.

 

 

Mostly instanced, short lived crap. Thats whats wrong with WOW its no longer that go out and explore find new people, content generating game that it use to be, matter fact vaniella WoW was the closest we had to a sandbox game in a long time. Now its just go in walk around  town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.

LOL course he would, also imagine the first MMO be F2P what revolution it would become.

no serious now, only reason WoW is still "top" is because they made it so easy so no need to think, it become mainstream and even people who never played a video game or kids with parents who let then play 1 hour a day and complain they can't do much so blizzard make it even more easy.

I really miss the old times, now we have people who says they are nerds, nerds who don't even know who darth vader was, who don't like to learn, that is morons using the word just because play one game who is not great at 1st day and make it poassible to be worse to gather the too lazy to think to play MMO.

yeah it helped so much the genre, I mean its not like we have over 10 years of stalement and lack of criativity.

being free will not make wow a bettr game

Originally posted by Draftbeer

People are still playing WoW?

More than half of the entire western MMO players play WoW actually :)

No other game even comes close.

You're snide remark wasn't funny or intelligent :D

I can't speak for everyone else of course but I got nothing out of WoW at all. I tried it, lasted about a fortnight before the childish graphics and boring gameplay got the better of me. Some people like it, I don't understanhd why but I don't feel a need to criticise them for their choice...

GW1 did pretty well opposite WoW, and that was when WoW still felt kind of new.  GW2 will have a player base, as does WoW.  WoW going free?  Maybe once Titan comes out, but even if it is bleeding subs, it is still a cash cow ... just not as big of a cow.

Personally, I'd find it hard to find any real enjoyment in WoW if they paid me to play it.

I don't really agree. I think WoW's biggest issue is actually the box prices and the fact that expansions (boxes) make other content obsolete. Which is why I'm playing EVE and will need special reasons to get MoP.

Generally, I do not think going F2P will help WoW at all because that is not its biggest problem. WoW already has trial up to level 20, scrolls of ressurection, etc., it's borderline F2P as it is and it's not killing anyone. People are just generally tired of WoW and WoW didn't do a very good job of keeping itself alife.

If I wanted to play WoW atm, I would. I don't play it because I believe it went meh since the TBC era.

I quite WoW not because of the buisness model (it actually saved my money by sticking to one form of gaming) but because I got tired to the same old mechanics and the endless raiding and grinding mechanics.  Even if GW2 was P2P I'd still play it because of the fun.  Just saying...

Originally posted by Ambros123

Even if GW2 was P2P I'd still play it because of the fun.

Same here. I would have no problem with GW2 being P2P at all, the B2P model is just cherry on top.

Basically, 99% of the people who play F2P and B2P instead of WoW aren't doing it because they are poor, they are doing it because they don't want to touch WoW.

If WoW went F2P it would still be WoW.

Except there would be an with an even more intrusive cash shop. Hell, the RMAH was probably intended as a test to for market acceptance so they can include this feature in other games.

Except the development cycle would slow down even more. Their last content update was in November of 2011.

How does this equal the destruction of GW2?

Opening the floodgates to WoW would do nothing but hurt the game financially and further erode a volatile community. If anything, the move would hurt other FTP games, and what were once WoW subs might migrate to new games...such as GW2.

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Originally posted by nomatics856

Sad state of fairs this is true, I do not like WoW not for its gameplay I think its fun, but I do not think it needs to be pay to play nor does any mmorpg out here today, no mmorpg is worth it, none of them offer the sense of exploration or adventure or extreme content generating that games like UO or EQ had, basically WoW is now a 3D lobby where you want to que in with other players to take down a boss or do a dungeon run, why am I paying 15$ a month for this again? And not just WoW but every other new mmorpg out there today.

 

 

Mostly instanced, short lived crap. Thats whats wrong with WOW its no longer that go out and explore find new people, content generating game that it use to be, matter fact vaniella WoW was the closest we had to a sandbox game in a long time. Now its just go in walk around  town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.

Ever since WoW was released I have purchased the game 5 different times, and once the game went level 1-20 free I tried 15 different attempts to play World of Warcraft.  The game was just way to generic and boring for me.  I gave it a good old try and it never hooked me not even when I was going to be forced to play a character to max level when Blizzard offered me a job as a GM.  The game has never and probably will never tempt me, especially now that they've added Panda's.    I don't care if this game ever goes completely free to play I have attempted to play it enough, it wont happen.  Now on the other hand Guild Wars 2 can claim 95+ hours of my life thus far and I'm hooked, Infact I'm having a kool aid party come launch day, want some? 

Out of every game I've played and payed a monthly sub(Rift, LoTro, WoW, CoH, and many more), by far Guild Wars 2 has deserved it more in my book over any and every game that has been released in 10 years.  Just my personal feelings, though now that Anet has made their move making Guild Wars 2 B2P, now for sure games will have to offer something absolutely incredible to make me justify a monthly fee.

Topic is stupid. We dont need more stupid topics on MMORPG.com

Nothing will kill the hype that is GW2 except time.  WoW going F2P will not kill that hype.  People want GW2 because its new and  a fantasy that they hope  will solve all their MMO problems and dislikes.  Gw2 is a game made and designed for ultra casual players not people that actually play MMOs.  Give it 2-3 months and those that bought into the massive hype will become bored and move on.  The people that are hyping GW2 simply do not have the patience or matuiry to play any MMO.  They will always be anticipating a dream game on the horizon and likely will never realize that the prolem is not MMOs but their own self.

I'd love to see your explanation OP.  Lets have a look at WoW- Instanced gameplay, Based on all grind, dated.  GW2- World content, Unique WvW system, and sPVP, without any grind- also a skill based game.  Yea I'd say GW2 still wins. 

Originally posted by Zippy

Nothing will kill the hype that is GW2 except time.  WoW going F2P will not kill that hype.  People want GW2 because its new and  a fantasy that they hope  will solve all their MMO problems and dislikes.  Gw2 is a game made and designed for ultra casual players not people that actually play MMOs.  Give it 2-3 months and those that bought into the massive hype will become bored and move on.  The people that are hyping GW2 simply do not have the patience or matuiry to play any MMO.  They will always be anticipating a dream game on the horizon and likely will never realize that the prolem is not MMOs but their own self.

Man, you are really good at it. My respect. But I saw what you did there. Please go and hide under your bridge again, please.

Originally posted by nomatics856

Sad state of fairs this is true, I do not like WoW not for its gameplay I think its fun, but I do not think it needs to be pay to play nor does any mmorpg out here today, no mmorpg is worth it, none of them offer the sense of exploration or adventure or extreme content generating that games like UO or EQ had, basically WoW is now a 3D lobby where you want to que in with other players to take down a boss or do a dungeon run, why am I paying 15$ a month for this again? And not just WoW but every other new mmorpg out there today.

 

 

Mostly instanced, short lived crap. Thats whats wrong with WOW its no longer that go out and explore find new people, content generating game that it use to be, matter fact vaniella WoW was the closest we had to a sandbox game in a long time. Now its just go in walk around  town and wait to be instantly put in a dungeon, the dungeon runs are great, but its not worth 15 a month, if it went F2P it would dominate gw2.

Ah no. I don't play WOW anymore becuase I'm tired of WOW. It has nothing to do with the sub. Think man. Spend time thinking before you just blod out some shit that makes no sense. 

I dont know about that, if WoW went F2P, I still wouldnt play it over GW2.

Thats just me though