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  MadnessRealm

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7/02/12 10:04:20 PM#21
Originally posted by Ocenica

If something is free your either going to wind up paying too much for it, or it's not worth anything.  

 

I have been reading quite a lot about how F2P could replace traditional subs and I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret.  You really don't want that to happen.   It sounds like your going to get to play a game for free, never fork over any cash and just love every second of it.  Sorry, that is NOT going to happen.

These companies can sometimes employ up to hundreds of people that have familes to support.  They don't work for free the same as you wouldn't work for free.  Someone has to pay up and eventually, if you do get hooked, that will be you.  Oh, and saying you won't get hooked doesn't work either.  If your reading something on MMORPG your probably already familiar with being hooked on some mmo at some point so don't even try that silly argument. You know it can happen.

So lets say you do get hooked.  Well then instead of a measly $15 a month (if your cheap and only pay 1 month at a time / who does that?!) Your going to get nickle and dimed to death.  I'll give you an example. 

My best friend Steve (that's his real name too!) stoped playing WoW because he said it cost to much.  Blah blah blah $15 a month for those Aholes who are already rich Blah Blah Blah.  He went off to play some F2P game .  Well, after much nudging he came back after about a year, but he said the reason he came back was because when he figured up all the $2-$5 purchases he made, he was spending an average of $50 a month!!

Don't buy into the F2P.  Avoid it, beat it off with a stick, it's a zombie irl.  Pony up $15 for a month and give it a shot.  If you love it, then great, the entertainment is cheap.  If you hate it, $15 for 30 days is still sooooo cheap.  You can't buy that kind of entertainment anywhere.  Not at a strip club, not at a movie theater.  Not driving around town because your bored since you don't have anything to do because you didn't want to spend a couple of bucks and enjoy your free time.

STOP BEING SO DAMN CHEAP!  Your huring yourself.

 

FYI, no i don't work for any game companies.

 

 

I've been playing the same MMORPG for 3 years (Mabinogi). I've spent in total 150$ on that game throughout these 3 years because I really like it.  Now let's count how much money I would've spent on a P2P for 3 years : $60 for the box, $540 in monthly sub over those 3 years ($15/month) and let's say $30 for an expansion. That's $630, pretty far from the $150 I spent on Mabinogi, right? What's more? If I take a break from the game, I don't need to shell out another $15 just to be able to get in, why? because it's F2P.

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  Axehilt

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7/02/12 11:57:31 PM#22
Originally posted by Sameer1979

Not all F2P MMOS work on same basis as LOTRO and DDO but even then best deal is to stick to monthly sub for F2P titles. F2P is just a gimmick and ends up hurting your pocket even more.

If they compromise their gameplay for a dollar, they're not worth playing.  So don't play and don't pay.  Pretty simple.

Stick with the quality F2P games which either don't compromise their gameplay at all (LoL, Tribes, SMNC) or compromise it only a teeny tiny amount (DDO, LOTRO, EQ2).

All 6 of those examples only offer lateral unlocks and not pay2win power purchasing.  As a direct result, I've dumped a lot of money into most of those games.  The more gamers who follow suit, the better integrity you'll see in F2P games because companies will be concerned with quality and integrity first and not sell pay2win things (because it won't work.)

  IMPYRE

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7/03/12 12:08:43 AM#23
Originally posted by Theocritus

      The OP complains about it being too expensive then doesn't even list one f2p game where he/she paid too much money......I've been playing them since 2005 and have spent a total of 90 dollars....How many p2p players can say that?

I can name a game that is truly a pirate when it comes to you and your money..

I am not dissing the game cause I did have some fun in the F2P non payment model, but this is truly one of the most expensive F2P model mmo out there to stay competitive.

And your right, nobody is holding a gun to your head, however some players don't have self control when it comes to F2P, it's almost as bad as owning a credit card for the first time.

As devs stated in games.. It's working as intended.

I hate F2P mmo's that don't have a montly sub for $14.99 and stay clear of them entirely.

  dotdotdash

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7/03/12 12:12:21 AM#24

I think the most I put into a F2P game was LotRo. I spent around 40$ on the game, and played it for around 6 months. With STO, I spent around 40$ and played it for the same period.

I've played a sea of other F2P titles and not paid a penny.

It's entirely subjective, tbh. Theoretically you may end up paying more than you would for a P2P game, especially if you're constantly hammering the XP pots etc down, but that's a big theory.

Generally today, F2P games and P2P games (before cash shops) tend to work out as costing the same amount of money for the same amount of content. The thing with an F2P game is that you buy that content when you need that content, rather than buying all the content at once every time you sub.

  Lithuanian

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7/03/12 12:15:17 AM#25

Well well well...let us begin there are some types of F2P models.  But every F2P MMORPG does give you a basic content for free: go, pick character, make weapons, explore territories, do quests. Only later they do differ.

Example:

Runescape: go play wherever you want (f2p - limited territory only), do quests whatever you like (f2p - limited territory only), take any school you want (f2p - limited schools). So, if you are satisfied with it - go and play. No one forces, although strongly implies.

Istaria: go wherever you want, do quests whatever you like, take any school, pick any race (f2p - Human only), buy any pland plot and build your buildings (unavailable for f2p).

LOTRO (as per rumors I heared, no direct xp): go weherever you want (f2p - can purchase), du quests whatever you like (f2p can purchase), take any  school you want.

Some games does sell items: one game will sell vanity items ("just look at this Beautifull Diamond That Gives No Status But Looks Pretty!"), some may be focused on status increasing.

It is player that decides. He should know how many cash he can spend for game items and if player gets out of control, it's not a game to blame. Basic content is always free to play. Be satisfied with it and you won't pay a penny, no one would ever force you, no pop-up will appear "purchase anything for at least 10$ or get banned!".

You decide. You get hooked or not. You may make game cost you 0 cents or 100 dollars per month.

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  dotdotdash

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7/03/12 12:16:00 AM#26
Originally posted by HiGHPLAiNS
Originally posted by Theocritus

      The OP complains about it being too expensive then doesn't even list one f2p game where he/she paid too much money......I've been playing them since 2005 and have spent a total of 90 dollars....How many p2p players can say that?

I can name a game that is truly a pirate when it comes to you and your money..

I am not dissing the game cause I did have some fun in the F2P non payment model, but this is truly one of the most expensive F2P model mmo out there to stay competitive.

And your right, nobody is holding a gun to your head, however some players don't have self control when it comes to F2P, it's almost as bad as owning a credit card for the first time.

As devs stated in games.. It's working as intended.

I hate F2P mmo's that don't have a montly sub for $14.99 and stay clear of them entirely.

Deriding an entire payment model because one game abused it is hardly fair, or logical.

For every game that tries to exploit you, there are a sea of others that do not. Surely you should judge each game on its merits, rather than applying a very general (and misguided) observation to the entire market?

If you purchased a car off Ford and it didn't work properly, and Ford then charged you to repair it, you wouldn't then go out and deride Fiat, Porche, Audi, VW, Ferrari, Saab and every other car manufacturer for Ford's problems, would you? >.>

  snapfusion

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7/03/12 12:16:50 AM#27
Originally posted by Cephus404

Funny, I've never spent a cent in any F2P game.  Ever.  Never will either.  Zero.  Zip.  Nada.

It only costs you if you CHOOSE to pay.  Otherwise, nobody is holding a gun to your head.

Your like the guy that drives a piece of crap car around with a bumper sitcker that says dont laugh its paid for, well guess what were all laughing.  And there are plenty of people that drive around really nice cars that ARE paid for.

F2P crowd bottom feeders

P2P crowd the rest of us

  Kykyryz-a

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7/03/12 12:30:17 AM#28

Its always been this way  F2P games cost more to play to average player with money.  i personally dont see a problem here if its not Pay 2 win situation im always giving money to devs. even if its browser game like  Settlers  if somethg  is good  and keep you playing why not to spend $ you "saved"  while playing 1 game and not buying or trying others.

and if game really good and you can resist some temptation  you can play free all the time. its just a bit hard for some people to  have  rare closed chest  in inventory  + credit card with money on it+ key in ingame shop :)

 

Im always for cosmetic things in F2P B2P games  like weapon looks Costumes  maybe animation or emotes even if it will cost more than 15$ a month as if game keeps me at home on friday night well im "saving" 50+$  why not to rewards devs  with some hehe.

But if i see mounts  armor weapon in shop   /quit. 

  JoeyMMO

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To busy playing GW2 to post much around here... *shrug*

7/03/12 12:55:25 AM#29

F2P means you don't have to buy the game in the first place, you don't need to buy anything until you feel like you "need" to. You won't quit after a few weeks with a hole in your pocket. You can try it, usually they're quite easygoing in the beginning, and you get to decide when you spend money on something. Of course if you spend a LOT of time in the game you'll be tempted a lot and P2P may be the cheaper option. If you're more casual and  don't jump at every occassion to spend money, it can be enjoyable up to a point. The cash shop always around the corner with the potential of giving paying costumers and advantage over others.

If you play a lot, get "hooked" and want to "win" the game and you can't control yourself in terms of spending, then yes, you should have stayed with P2P games, because you'll be spending a lot of money to make up for thaose players that can control themselves.

  cronius77

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7/03/12 1:05:07 AM#30

Im not quite sure I follow the OP's opinion here really . Many games are doing well again with viabrant communities because they went to a free to play system. Most good free to play games out there , mentioned here at least are freemiums that used to be triple A titles and now you can either pay 15 bucks a month and sub for 30 days or buy perks and other junk. If you have half a brain and can withstand an addictive personality then you should just avoid games that you can see a mile away are for suckers to play. I personally wish games like DAOC and WAR would go free to play and sell content by the teir etc that way more players would come back to those games.

Mentioning games to avoid is more like what should be done but you can see from populations on games which ones screw over players (IE look at Allods online population & any perfect world game or Gpotato) sometimes man you just gotta use your brain and do a little research before you get into a game. But saying that free to play in general is bad , yes maybe the asian versions of it but most american companies seem pretty fair to me.

Also if you REALLY want to hate on something hate on greedy companies like blizzard and now Funcom for adding cash shops to sub fees and box fees.

  Ashen_X

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7/03/12 1:36:40 AM#31
Originally posted by Quizzical

There are a huge number of different business models that call themselves "free to play", and they shouldn't all be lumped in together.

^^^This.

When all has been said and done, more will have been said than done.

  hundejahre

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7/03/12 2:38:49 AM#32


Originally posted by Ocenica
If something is free your either going to wind up paying too much for it, or it's not worth anything.  

 

I have been reading quite a lot about how F2P could replace traditional subs and I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret.  You really don't want that to happen.   It sounds like your going to get to play a game for free, never fork over any cash and just love every second of it.  Sorry, that is NOT going to happen.

These companies can sometimes employ up to hundreds of people that have familes to support.  They don't work for free the same as you wouldn't work for free.  Someone has to pay up and eventually, if you do get hooked, that will be you.  Oh, and saying you won't get hooked doesn't work either.  If your reading something on MMORPG your probably already familiar with being hooked on some mmo at some point so don't even try that silly argument. You know it can happen.

So lets say you do get hooked.  Well then instead of a measly $15 a month (if your cheap and only pay 1 month at a time / who does that?!) Your going to get nickle and dimed to death.  I'll give you an example. 

My best friend Steve (that's his real name too!) stoped playing WoW because he said it cost to much.  Blah blah blah $15 a month for those Aholes who are already rich Blah Blah Blah.  He went off to play some F2P game .  Well, after much nudging he came back after about a year, but he said the reason he came back was because when he figured up all the $2-$5 purchases he made, he was spending an average of $50 a month!!

Don't buy into the F2P.  Avoid it, beat it off with a stick, it's a zombie irl.  Pony up $15 for a month and give it a shot.  If you love it, then great, the entertainment is cheap.  If you hate it, $15 for 30 days is still sooooo cheap.  You can't buy that kind of entertainment anywhere.  Not at a strip club, not at a movie theater.  Not driving around town because your bored since you don't have anything to do because you didn't want to spend a couple of bucks and enjoy your free time.

STOP BEING SO DAMN CHEAP!  Your huring yourself.

 

FYI, no i don't work for any game companies.

 


If your friend didn't realize he was making 17-25 micro transactions a month, he's an idiot. Most of the F2P games people are playing here USED TO BE P2P AND FAILED, that's not our fault. I played EQ for years, I played WoW for years. Both were good games, but I was done. Find me a game that doesn't suck and I might be willing to pony up and pay $15 a month, but then GW2 is the only game that interests me at the moment and it's B2P, a sub isn't even an option.

  Caldrin

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7/03/12 2:44:33 AM#33

Companies are out to make money and its as simple as that.. Anyone who thinks they are going to get everything for nothing should be locked away..

 

On average people spend more on so called f2p games than they would on sub games.. either that or they play for a few weeks then realise they need to spend money and quit to go searching for the next free game lol... or come on here and complain about sub games..

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  Gdemami

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7/03/12 2:44:53 AM#34


Another thread about people who do not understand that F2P does not mean "do not pay ever for anything"...

  Caldrin

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7/03/12 2:48:21 AM#35
Originally posted by hundejahre

 

If your friend didn't realize he was making 17-25 micro transactions a month, he's an idiot. Most of the F2P games people are playing here USED TO BE P2P AND FAILED, that's not our fault. I played EQ for years, I played WoW for years. Both were good games, but I was done. Find me a game that doesn't suck and I might be willing to pony up and pay $15 a month, but then GW2 is the only game that interests me at the moment and it's B2P, a sub isn't even an option.

You do realise GW2 will make most of its money from micro transactions in its cash shop right?

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  seridan

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7/03/12 2:51:19 AM#36
Originally posted by Caldrin

You do realise GW2 will make most of its money from micro transactions in its cash shop right?

At least in Guild Wars 2 the Cash Shop isn't essential in order to play, you can avoid buying anything from there and still be competitive, there is no P2W. In other words for lots of people it is going to cost only the box price and nothing more, others can pay some more as they see fit

Block the trolls, don't answer them, so we can remove the garbage from these forums

  Vrika

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7/03/12 3:01:41 AM#37

I think it would be more accurate to say that F2P games cost unkown amount of money than to say that they are expensive.

With a P2P game you'll know how much money playing it would cost before you even buy the game. Box price + sub cost is easy to calculate, and you'll know of any coming expansion months before it's released.

F2P game will likely cost around the same on average: The devs need the money and they couldn't run it if active players paid only a fraction of what those playing P2P games actively pay. But the price is not same for every player, depending on your playstyle, preferences, playing time, and how the game and cash shop is build you might end up playing comfortably if you pay only a few dollars each month, or be required to pay 50$/month to enjoy your playtime. There's no way to know in advance what you'll end up doing in the game, and any estimation of the game's costs you make is just a quess. You might be able to play hundreds of hours for very cheap, then hit a roadblock where you're forced to shell out 50$/month to continue playing, or abandon the character you love and the friends you liked playing with.

Personally I prefer P2P without cash shop (or a cash shop with purely cosmetic items), or B2P because then I'll know in advance what I'll have to pay to see and experience everything in the game, and stay playing with my friends as long as I like.

  xenogias

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7/03/12 3:02:43 AM#38
Originally posted by Ocenica

If something is free your either going to wind up paying too much for it, or it's not worth anything.  

 

I have been reading quite a lot about how F2P could replace traditional subs and I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret.  You really don't want that to happen.   It sounds like your going to get to play a game for free, never fork over any cash and just love every second of it.  Sorry, that is NOT going to happen.

These companies can sometimes employ up to hundreds of people that have familes to support.  They don't work for free the same as you wouldn't work for free.  Someone has to pay up and eventually, if you do get hooked, that will be you.  Oh, and saying you won't get hooked doesn't work either.  If your reading something on MMORPG your probably already familiar with being hooked on some mmo at some point so don't even try that silly argument. You know it can happen.

So lets say you do get hooked.  Well then instead of a measly $15 a month (if your cheap and only pay 1 month at a time / who does that?!) Your going to get nickle and dimed to death.  I'll give you an example. 

My best friend Steve (that's his real name too!) stoped playing WoW because he said it cost to much.  Blah blah blah $15 a month for those Aholes who are already rich Blah Blah Blah.  He went off to play some F2P game .  Well, after much nudging he came back after about a year, but he said the reason he came back was because when he figured up all the $2-$5 purchases he made, he was spending an average of $50 a month!!

Don't buy into the F2P.  Avoid it, beat it off with a stick, it's a zombie irl.  Pony up $15 for a month and give it a shot.  If you love it, then great, the entertainment is cheap.  If you hate it, $15 for 30 days is still sooooo cheap.  You can't buy that kind of entertainment anywhere.  Not at a strip club, not at a movie theater.  Not driving around town because your bored since you don't have anything to do because you didn't want to spend a couple of bucks and enjoy your free time.

STOP BEING SO DAMN CHEAP!  Your huring yourself.

 

FYI, no i don't work for any game companies.

 

Your friend Steve is an idiot. He is the one that will pay for the rest of us. People like me MIGHT drop $50 in a YEAR. Stuff like inventory/bank space ect.

Sure F2P can be really expensive. But only if you arent smart enough to avoid little traps like "Hey buy this shiney new toy that lets you talk to the whole server. Its only a dollar and has 10 uses!" Or buying cosmetic items when you cant sport that awesome looking pirates outfit anytime you want. Or that enhancement stone that just cost you $5 to get +1 to your weapon without a chance of failing. Wait that +1 really doesnt do much? Doesnt matter you cant controll yourself.

 

Point is F2P survive off people who CANT controll themselves are are to stupid to pay attention to what they are spending every time they buy something.

  mrw0lf

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7/03/12 3:03:25 AM#39

Here's the thing I don't get and this thread is a prime example of it. It's full of posts saying 2 things, "the devs have to make money for the game to continue running", I think we can all agree with this. Those posts are only outnumbered by those proclaiming that they have been playing f2p games for 2-5 years and in all that time have spend miniscule amounts of money or nothing at all. Now I'm no mathematician but we either have a very focused group of f2p players here at mmorpg.com and there is another forum somewhere with f2p gamers complaining about having spend millions on the game. Or people talk utter shit, I'm going to go with the latter (hey I'm a realist).

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  Hurvart

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7/03/12 3:04:51 AM#40
Originally posted by Cephus404
Originally posted by Hurvart

If I play a F2P game I will actually spend a fortune. I will want everything that can boost my character or help me progress faster. And I will use everything all the time. This is why I dont play F2P games. Because I know I will spend way to much if I get hooked and cant stop playing a game like that. And if I dont buy and use evrything I will not have fun. I guess it is my powergamer attitude. If there are advantages I can have I must get them and use them. And I cant stop thinking about them when I play. And very soon I will go to the CS and spend spend spend...

So you have no self control.  Whose fault is that?

I have self control. I use that to say no and avoid playing any cash shop games at all. Just like I am a former heavy smoker. If someone offers me one ciggarett and I say yes and smoke it it will be bad. Because a few days later I will smoke 3packs/day and will not be able to quit again without professional help. I use my self control to say no to the first cig. There are things I should never do. Because I know it will get out of control.

And its a type of personality. Its not anyones fault. You are born with it. All you can do is to learn to live with it. And understand what sort of things you should never do.

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