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  Vesavius

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7/02/12 7:51:18 AM#741
Originally posted by mymmo

god yes! in every mmo there is this loud mass that wants pvp really really bad. when the devs are then focusing on pvp there is out rages about every singel thing on the forum that takes away alot of resoruces from the devs. and sooner or later the pvpers are "lulz. thiz game suxs! next game!" . 

 

Most devs just choose to hear the PvP loadmouths because they are asking for something that suits their budget... cheap filler content.

I agree the hardcore PvP community seems to be home to the more fickle game hopper these days. Maybe it has something to do with the general need for hostile friction and the need to appear a 'badass' all the time to give the game value for them, I'm not sure. It certainly can't help build a constructive community though.

 

The problem is that the mechanics that were embraced as cheap filler content in the old PvE MMOs (including grinding and timesinks such as camping) would send most modern gamers into several fit of rages, so they just wouldn't be usuable now.

So, what to replace them with?

 

NWN style player created content is a possibility, though we have seen in other games that can be easily exploited if not designed well, and it would have to be open world based for it to be viable for a true MMO.

Player housing, villages, and political machinations/ influence would be another, but that would only appeal to a set percent of the player base.

 

Any other ideas?

 

  xenogias

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7/02/12 7:58:02 AM#742

I said yes. It would have to have ALOT of content though. Everything from exploration to mini games to gambling.

  Hurvart

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7/02/12 8:29:36 AM#743
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by mymmo

god yes! in every mmo there is this loud mass that wants pvp really really bad. when the devs are then focusing on pvp there is out rages about every singel thing on the forum that takes away alot of resoruces from the devs. and sooner or later the pvpers are "lulz. thiz game suxs! next game!" . 

 

Most devs just choose to hear the PvP loadmouths because they are asking for something that suits their budget... cheap filler content.

I agree the hardcore PvP community seems to be home to the more fickle game hopper these days. Maybe it has something to do with the general need for hostile friction and the need to appear a 'badass' all the time to give the game value for them, I'm not sure. It certainly can't help build a constructive community though.

 

The problem is that the mechanics that were embraced as cheap filler content in the old PvE MMOs (including grinding and timesinks such as camping) would send most modern gamers into several fit of rages, so they just wouldn't be usuable now.

So, what to replace them with?

 

NWN style player created content is a possibility, though we have seen in other games that can be easily exploited if not designed well, and it would have to be open world based for it to be viable for a true MMO.

Player housing, villages, and political machinations/ influence would be another, but that would only appeal to a set percent of the player base.

 

Any other ideas?

 

But are those modern gamers true MMORPG players? Most of them are really action gamers, IMO. In a MMORPG there will have to be some content that is not action, fast paced and easy fast rewards...

I think those players want to play a MMOARPG and not a more traditional MMORPG... No developer can make evryone happy. If they focus on action gamers the game will not be the best game for people that liked the first MMORPG:s. At least if they are still trying to find and prefer games like that.

  Kyleran

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7/02/12 8:32:53 AM#744

Most PVP in MMO's is useless IMO, I do not play it for the "fun" of it, I play it as part of territory control or resource denial, and so few MMORPG's offer it that way.

So I play TERA on a PVE server and have yet to fight another player.

Sure, when we join GvG I'll go along, but if I never did any PVP it wouldn't break my heart either.

Now, give me a MMO like DAOC, EVE or Lineage 2 and I'll be there in a flash.

 

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7/02/12 8:41:33 AM#745

If it's fun to play then I absolutely would.

  wolfmann

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7/02/12 8:48:55 AM#746

Hell yes.

Imagine a game where you never were nerfed because of the PvP whine, a game where you could actually build something without the PvP train demanding to be able to break it...

 

I would love it

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  Dfix

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7/02/12 8:50:51 AM#747

While FFXI does have PvP, it's so unpopular it might as well had never been put in the game. It is by far my most favorite MMO to date.

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  Emrendil

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7/02/12 9:02:21 AM#748
Originally posted by Kaynos1972

And please give the reasons for your answers.  Personally PVP has never been my cup of tea.   It's not that i never tried, i just dont feel any sense of accomplishement fighting others peoples for what really  ?  Bragging rights ?   There is already TONS of pvp game out there, mostly shooters, why does every MMO that comes out MUST have some sort of PVP in it ?   Do you think we could have a succesful MMO without the PVP aspect ?

I definitely would. I only liked PvP in shooters, not in MMORPG genre.

  Vesavius

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7/02/12 9:04:19 AM#749
Originally posted by Hurvart
Originally posted by Vesavius
Originally posted by mymmo

god yes! in every mmo there is this loud mass that wants pvp really really bad. when the devs are then focusing on pvp there is out rages about every singel thing on the forum that takes away alot of resoruces from the devs. and sooner or later the pvpers are "lulz. thiz game suxs! next game!" . 

 

Most devs just choose to hear the PvP loadmouths because they are asking for something that suits their budget... cheap filler content.

I agree the hardcore PvP community seems to be home to the more fickle game hopper these days. Maybe it has something to do with the general need for hostile friction and the need to appear a 'badass' all the time to give the game value for them, I'm not sure. It certainly can't help build a constructive community though.

 

The problem is that the mechanics that were embraced as cheap filler content in the old PvE MMOs (including grinding and timesinks such as camping) would send most modern gamers into several fit of rages, so they just wouldn't be usuable now.

So, what to replace them with?

 

NWN style player created content is a possibility, though we have seen in other games that can be easily exploited if not designed well, and it would have to be open world based for it to be viable for a true MMO.

Player housing, villages, and political machinations/ influence would be another, but that would only appeal to a set percent of the player base.

 

Any other ideas?

But are those modern gamers true MMORPG players? Most of them are really action gamers, IMO. In a MMORPG there will have to be some content that is not action, fast paced and easy fast rewards...

I think those players want to play a MMOARPG and not a more traditional MMORPG... No developer can make evryone happy. If they focus on action gamers the game will not be the best game for people that liked the first MMORPG:s. At least if they are still trying to find and prefer games like that.

 

I wouldn't disagree, and I think this quest for 'broader appeal' has only hurt games, but like it or not they would have to make concessions to the modern market.

I actually enjoy grinding if the investment to reward ratio is right, or it's to a tangible end, but I don't think many gamers share that.

  rcubano

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7/02/12 9:10:37 AM#750

Yes, yes, and yes!

Honestly, I'm not a big fan of PvP.  I'm an avid role-player, and there really isn't much RP in PvP.  There could be, but there just isn't.  There was one single event of role-playing in PvP for me throughout my entire MMO gaming experience, and that was in SWTOR of all places (a game who's PvP typically consists of Jedis running around in their undies, slaying everything in sight, with a warcry of "lawlz, u n00b").

  The-Moebius

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7/02/12 9:23:17 AM#751

I enjoy having world PvP in the games i play and always opt to play on PvP servers if given the choice but I couldn't care less about structured PvP/Arena/Battleground. That said, i also like having different pockets within the community focused on different gameplay elements, so my first thought would be that any game without a PvP community would be less rich but if the remaining content was able to be feature rich as a result of dev's not focusing on PvP content i'd definitely give it a shot.

Yes - but only if the game still provided many different gameplay styles/elements. Loss of PvP would be a bit of a concern.

 

  Vesavius

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7/02/12 10:19:59 AM#752
Originally posted by The-Moebius

...so my first thought would be that any game without a PvP community would be less rich...

 

I would say the opposite.

In my experience a heavy PvP focus seperates and sours community.

Unless by 'less rich' you mean 'less vitriol and bile'?

  faxnadu

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7/02/12 10:42:15 AM#753

nope because i can do that in any game that isnt mmo and yet in my point of view i dont see the point competiting against " only " devs programmed challenges.

  Enigma8833

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7/02/12 10:44:20 AM#754

I Absolutly would! It seems a game cannot be balanced well in PvE at the same time as PvP. They should be focused on 1 or the other. Myself I prefer PvE.

  Vesavius

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7/02/12 1:11:50 PM#755
Originally posted by m0lly

nope because i can do that in any game that isnt mmo and yet in my point of view i dont see the point competiting against " only " devs programmed challenges.

 

erm... it's called 'interdependent co-operative social play'...

You can do that 'in any game'?

  rungard

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7/02/12 2:09:54 PM#756

i could play a pure pve mmo...as long as it focused completely on small group content.

  Rydeson

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7/02/12 2:23:18 PM#757

I could in a heart beat.. That is what I liked about EQ1 in the beginning..  There was no battlegrounds PvP queues.. If you wanted PvP, there was select open world servers.. Otherwise.. no thanks..  I like the challenge of US (the players) against the THEM (the devs) .. For me that promotes for of a comunity then this Esport mechanics we have now..  But I understand, it's easier to get the masses to fight between themselves for content, then to create it...... Sorta like politics..

  wolfetx

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7/03/12 2:28:51 AM#758

 I would love to find a MMO that had ZERO pvp in it!

I am sick and tired of seeing good games wreak by pvp. We cant even get TRUE pve servers any more. They give us these craptastic pvp lite servers and call them pve servers. Tell us pvp is just consentual on them and it wont effect your pve play.. Then they add in pvp gear that is better than pve gear. Nerf classes due to pvp balance, Add in pvp perks or bufs that effect pve play and are only gotten through pvp play.

 

 So yes 100% i would LOVE to find a mmo and play it that had NO pvp what so ever!

 

  Adamantine

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7/03/12 5:44:38 AM#759

Why "would" ? I DO.

 

I like PvP, but the best MMO on the market doesnt offer it. Its really its only shortcoming.

  exdeathbr

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7/03/12 10:19:31 PM#760

This question is a little vague because there are many ways that a mmorpg without any single bit of pvp (no open pvp, no pvp flag, no duels, no friendly fire, no instancies, no rvr in the ways I said before...) can exist.

 

So the real question is, is there any possible way to make a mmorpg rpg that doenst include pvp in any possible form, that I will like?

The answer is yes.

And with pvp, I am including all the forms of pvp I said before, also including rvr as pvp.

 

Even if I include RVR with the other side being npc that with player like AI, in this list of possible "pvp" forms. The answer would still be yes.

 

 

Talking about people hating pvp, I am trying to imagine a game with:

-No pvp in any possible form.

-1 life permadeath

-Full item drop

-People can loot your body

-People with stealing skill can loot you.

-Items break like in real life, need to repair them.

-You see is what you get when monsters die, not getting armor from monsters without armor, unless the monsters have some armor stealing fetish (the sort of explanation to those monsters have armor while they dont use it), but they would have some space in their inventory to keep it.

 

You removed pvp but leaved other stuff many guy here complain alot.

Well maybe remove the stealing skill part, because without pvp the guy would try to steal you and you would be ablt to do nothing about it.

 

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