Originally posted by Rightlov

You're right, there's no XP pots in the game - and actually, they've specifically said there wont be added any. When Funcom introduced the addon packs to a purchase, there was XP boots available. People raged that this was a clear sign, that there'd be XP pots as well in the cash shop, but developers made it clear that we shouldn't worry, since there wouldn't. And so far, that's true.

So krinaman is just saying bullshit for the sake of bullshitting. Man, these people.

 I went to buy the game. One of the options when buying the game is to buy XP boosters. They are selling you XP boosters. I'm not sure how that equals me BSing anyone.

There is only some cosmetic clothes in the cash shop you can also get in the game world. No need to buy anything.

No need to cry the sky is falling over some cosmetic items.

TSW is a very well done MMO and I prefer monthly subs to the sham "free to play".

Originally posted by krinaman

Originally posted by Rightlov

You're right, there's no XP pots in the game - and actually, they've specifically said there wont be added any. When Funcom introduced the addon packs to a purchase, there was XP boots available. People raged that this was a clear sign, that there'd be XP pots as well in the cash shop, but developers made it clear that we shouldn't worry, since there wouldn't. And so far, that's true.

So krinaman is just saying bullshit for the sake of bullshitting. Man, these people.

 I went to buy the game. One of the options when buying the game is to buy XP boosters. They are selling you XP boosters. I'm not sure how that equals me BSing anyone.

Being able to buy an addon pack to your purchase, that gives you 5(?) XP pots once, is not the same as having unlimited XP pots for sale in a cash shop. So yes you're bullshitting, since as I said, there's no XP pots in the cash shop.

Originally posted by krinaman

Originally posted by Blacknd

You felt the need to resurrect this post just to say that?

A) I can't even find the XP potions in the ingame shop.

B) It was stated those would be purchasable ingame.

C) Anything you could possibly do at endgame will give you XP. PvP? XP. Endgame dungeons? XP. It doesn't stop accumulating until you've maxed your faction rank and unlocked every skill. You'll be at the endgame content long before that happens. 

 Why start a new thread when there is an existing one?

I have no doubt that everything in the game will give you XP. What would be the point of an XP booster if it didn't?

An existing thread about the cash shop, which is ingame. XP potions aren't in the cash shop. They're only available as account upgrades, out of the game. A new thread would have been relevant.

You missed my point though. Take WoW for instance: Once you hit the level cap and you're doing your endgame thing, whether its PvE raiding, 5-mans, achievement hunting, or PvP, you're doing a lot of it, and there's no equivelant to exp since you're capped. In TSW, while you're doing the endgame content, you're still earning exp, because there's still skills to buy.. for a while at least.

Originally posted by Rightlov

Being able to buy an addon pack to your purchase, that gives you 5(?) XP pots once, is not the same as having unlimited XP pots for sale in a cash shop. So yes you're bullshitting, since as I said, there's no XP pots in the cash shop.

 Okay, this is getting kind of silly. I seen that they will sell you XP boosters for money and decided to not buy the game.

To me any store that sells you stuff for cash is a "cash shop". Apparently you guys are making a distinction between a ingame store and out of game store. In that case, the out of game store will sell you XP boosters. I have no idea about the ingame store as I have no access to it.

Originally posted by krinaman

 Okay, this is getting kind of silly. I seen that they will sell you XP boosters for money and decided to not buy the game.

To me any store that sells you stuff for cash is a "cash shop". Apparently you guys are making a distinction between a ingame store and out of game store. In that case, the out of game store will sell you XP boosters. I have no idea about the ingame store as I have no access to it.

You'll be hardpressed to find any mmorpg that doesn't sell something ingame for cash outside the game. But good luck finding one, I can't think of one off the top of my head..

It seems the questions answer was already known prior to creating this thread.

Also seems some people are getting quite imaginative with funcoms past business models, nothing was ever pay to win.  You would never want to use anything from the cash shop for any other reason other than its better than the items you start the game with and with pvp its better to buy those and compete against endgame characters decked out in max out pvp gear than to waltz in there with your pve set, your still getting stomped but will be able to perhaps do slighly better than without.

In case this is the first time youve heard of funcom, and dont know what to expect, ill explaint.

Game launches as box+sub.  A year or two after launch, they release expansion.  Shortly after expansion is out all origional content goes free as a trial if you will...expansion costs the box+sub.  Already explained what the CS includes, mostly deco crap, some xp stuff, and entry level gear (either starter gear or entry level pvp)

The beauty of this system is down the road it doesnt screw over vets, and it allows fresh meat into the game, who will never have an advantage over a subbing player.

Some might not like this, luckily the game is optional to play.  If some people would rather buy a box to a f2p game then buy expansion skills in the cash shop along with everything else like inventory space and pvp seige weapons...by all means they got a game like that comming out soon enough.  

If you want a totally free game (all content no box price) then pick up Aion, it needs players and the cash shop is pretty light on the pay to win (i would say absent of it)  Probably the best F2P game out there in terms of quality of the game and cash shop advantages.

And for people who think this will go free in a matter of months because they dont like it (but will play the second its free) remember that not even AoC with its horrible launch, nor AO which is 11 years old and like 6 years behind on a new engine are free games...and AoC took years to go free with the origional content (probably delayed to from actually fixing the sad state it launched in)

I wont sit here and argue with people who like diffrent business models...its pointless, as is this thread, since everyone knows the game has a box+sub+ deco CS just like most themeparks.  Its not the first to do so and wont be the last.

I'd have no issue with B2P+CS, but a sub and CS? I don't know, it just screams "greed" to me. Besides, a CS is a slippery slope; it starts with cosmetic items and then when everyone is used to that, the devs try and sneak in some XP boosts and some gear as well... I mean it's profitable so why not do it?

And yes yes, I know devs need to make money etc etc. It's just that it's possible to make money and still at least look like you care about the game and the players as well. Supporting a company that comes off as greedier than the rest usually leaves a sour taste in the mouth, no matter how good the game is (I'm sure TSW is a pretty cool game, which is why a lot of people seem to defend the business model).

To me, a game that charges a sub should never add extra "optional" expenses on top of that sub. Buying stuff from a store  contradicts the whole idea about an RPG - anything that is not acquired by actually playing the game, be it cosmetic or not, just feels lame and shallow. But I guess that's the times we're living in and we all need to adjust, right?

 Not sure why it is such a issue AO has a cash shop in it also and ppl still sub to it as do alot of other games .Doesn't really bother me tbh I don't have to buy anything from the cash shop and my chars progression isn't gonna be limited or having to have anything out of the cash shop.If they make profit from it good for em just won't be from me.

I have no problems with cash shops. I any ways avoid it  unless i get some bonus points to spend on it. Cosmetics are fine and if people can afford it, good for them.

Originally posted by krinaman

Originally posted by Rightlov

Being able to buy an addon pack to your purchase, that gives you 5(?) XP pots once, is not the same as having unlimited XP pots for sale in a cash shop. So yes you're bullshitting, since as I said, there's no XP pots in the cash shop.

 Okay, this is getting kind of silly. I seen that they will sell you XP boosters for money and decided to not buy the game.

To me any store that sells you stuff for cash is a "cash shop". Apparently you guys are making a distinction between a ingame store and out of game store. In that case, the out of game store will sell you XP boosters. I have no idea about the ingame store as I have no access to it.

 

This is getting kind of silly, yes - you're still not getting it.

There's first of all no out of game cash shop, there's only a in-game cash shop, and that cash shop doesn't sell XP pots.

Now, what I said was, that when you buy the game, you've an one-time offer if you want to buy any additional packs to your basic purchase of the game. These can only be bought once (1 time). One of these packs includes a few XP bots, and that's it. It's only a few, that will help you the first hours of gameplay, nothing more. So they're not selling XP pots in any cash shops, but giving the option to buy a little 'boost' for the first little while.

People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.

Originally posted by Astralglide

People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.

^^ This.

And it is under-pinned by 'choice'. Your choice to buy the game or not, after all it is a free world.

I too cannot see the big problem with this, it is quite conceivable to buy the game and play it and not even know there was an item shop.

Another thing I cannot understand is that people like to have good games and complain to high heaven when a game is not up to a good standard or has a small amount of content or has bugs etc and yet they do not want to pay for it. You think game producers are charities or are government sponsered!

Paying $15 a month for a game that you play 3 to 4 hours a day is absolutely nothing for the amount of entertainment you get out of it, and yet you be-grudge the game producers that want to make a profit the ability to sell a pet or some items of clothing to another player who is prepared to buy it? Explain that rational as it sounds like a "Dog in a Manager" attitude - "I dont/cant use it so I dont want anyone else to use it".

Ultimately you get what you pay for, if we refuse or are unwilling to pay for our games and businesses do not see a profit they will leave, this may not happen with console games but it can happen to MMOs as it they are already).

Or worse still, for you the complainers in paritcular, that don't like to spend your money on what you enjoy, it will end up with so few producers that demand will increase and so will the price lol, then waht will you say as it would be because of your making!

Originally posted by Biskop

I'd have no issue with B2P+CS, but a sub and CS? I don't know, it just screams "greed" to me.

Greed? Greed you say lol, when you talk about greed you should get things in perspective, a banker is greedy, did you take all you money out of the bank? No.

You think game producers roll around in mercedes and ferraris and the likes? How can they be greedy if they do not force you to buy the uless stuff that is in their shops? IF they said that you had to buy at least 5 items in the shop pn top of your sub then you guys may have a point but they don't so your points are all mute.

Originally posted by Astralglide

People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.

Well said... Plus with the addition of how mmo subs can fall off after the free month is up, they have to have another steady or another option to generate revenue when those sub do drop off..

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Astralglide

People seem to forget that these games exist to generate profit for companies and shareholders. I would encourage games to find ways to further monetize subscription games that do not give unfair advantages to players. As long as the cash shop items do dont provide stat bonuses (I could give a crap about EXP buffs) and keep it purely cosmetic, I encourage it. If you want to spend $10 on a virtual shirt or $15 on a pet penguin, I could give a crap and don't see why so many people are up in arms over it.

^^ This.

And it is under-pinned by 'choice'. Your choice to buy the game or not, after all it is a free world.

I too cannot see the big problem with this, it is quite conceivable to buy the game and play it and not even know there was an item shop.

 

Another thing I cannot understand is that people like to have good games and complain to high heaven when a game is not up to a good standard or has a small amount of content or has bugs etc and yet they do not want to pay for it. You think game producers are charities or are government sponsered!

Paying $15 a month for a game that you play 3 to 4 hours a day is absolutely nothing for the amount of entertainment you get out of it, and yet you be-grudge the game producers that want to make a profit the ability to sell a pet or some items of clothing to another player who is prepared to buy it? Explain that rational as it sounds like a "Dog in a Manager" attitude - "I dont/cant use it so I dont want anyone else to use it".

 

Ultimately you get what you pay for, if we refuse or are unwilling to pay for our games and businesses do not see a profit they will leave, this may not happen with console games but it can happen to MMOs as it they are already).

Or worse still, for you the complainers in paritcular, that don't like to spend your money on what you enjoy, it will end up with so few producers that demand will increase and so will the price lol, then waht will you say as it would be because of your making!

 

Originally posted by Biskop
 

I'd have no issue with B2P+CS, but a sub and CS? I don't know, it just screams "greed" to me.

Greed? Greed you say lol, when you talk about greed you should get things in perspective, a banker is greedy, did you take all you money out of the bank? No.

You think game producers roll around in mercedes and ferraris and the likes? How can they be greedy if they do not force you to buy the uless stuff that is in their shops? IF they said that you had to buy at least 5 items in the shop pn top of your sub then you guys may have a point but they don't so your points are all mute.

Well not so much greed... Look at it, who is beeing greedy?  The person who can't resist to buy the product/service or the person who is offering the service in order to make more?  

Its a toss up i think.

Pink bunny slippers are not included in the monthly subscription- outrageous.

didn't we discussed that all in the past already?

i am equal. there is no 50€ talisman in the shop. no idea why we need to have this discussion again.

all been done before.

To the people complaining about a cash shop/sub MMO really need to step back, relax, and think about it a minute. to say you'll never play because of it is really overreacting. In fact there prob wont be many MMOs in your future, heh.

 Its a business. And as such, the developers are in it to make money. That is NOT a bad thing! lol. They need alot of it to make a quality game and a lot more to keep it that way with patches, support, content addition, etc. You cant blame them for trying to generate extra revenue. Hopefully, and if they are smart, that extra revenue can be put back into the game to make it better. That in turn attracts more players as well as retaining the old ones. The game endures.

 No one is forcing you to use the cash shop, yeech, lol. No game with a sub is going to have a cash shop with game breaking necessity items. If anything, you should applaud the idea of cash shops.

Originally posted by krinaman

Originally posted by Rightlov

Being able to buy an addon pack to your purchase, that gives you 5(?) XP pots once, is not the same as having unlimited XP pots for sale in a cash shop. So yes you're bullshitting, since as I said, there's no XP pots in the cash shop.

 Okay, this is getting kind of silly. I seen that they will sell you XP boosters for money and decided to not buy the game.

To me any store that sells you stuff for cash is a "cash shop". Apparently you guys are making a distinction between a ingame store and out of game store. In that case, the out of game store will sell you XP boosters. I have no idea about the ingame store as I have no access to it.

 

well yes it seems we do, they have a thing called a cashshop, you find it in game by pressing "," the thing you are talking about is a bunch of random upgrades along with 30 days of more time, plus a discount.

to me a cashshop is what they already have on their other games, you buy funcom points and buy stuff using those points, you don't pay directly.

the other thing is like name changes and server transfers, only you can get that stuff only once.

i can't think of a single cash shop that only allows you to buy something once, what would be the point of a cashshop like that?  the upgrades are just that, one time deals i believe.

by the way, why do people get bent out of shape over people that get xp bonus things? does it really affect your game play that badly? is anyone really affected by someone getting a 10% exp bonus from a potion? even 10 one time only potions?

i mean i never get bent out of shape when i didn't preorder AoC and i believe it had an 10% ring or something, mostly because how fast i level only matters to me, i don't care about how fast anyone else levels.

now if they required you to buy stuff because they balanced power around stuff they have in shops, like PWI does i would be mad since i couldn't level without paying them and that isn't fun.

armor/weapons/skills = bad, they remove fun.

exp potions? items to convert item looks? cosmetic items? i may feel a pang of wanting cool looking pixals, but i have better things to spend my money on.