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  Drakxii

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6/29/12 12:22:54 PM#41

BioEA lost me when afte ME2: the side quest and the DA2 demo.  The fact that SWTOR, ME3's ending, and DA2 all sucked just pushed me farther away.

I will not play a game with a cash shop ever again. A dev job should be to make the game better not make me pay so it sucks less.

  Sovrath

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6/29/12 12:26:36 PM#42
Originally posted by Isasis

Mass Effect 3...Dragon Age 2...and now SWTOR.

 

All have been heavily critizied. However, their older games...Mass Effect 1 and 2...Dragon Age 1...even before that...have been critically acclaimed. After they got bought by EA, it seems their games are no longer the quality they once were.

And SWTOR is already talking about turning free and losing a good portion of their servers. It did much horribly than anticipated.

Will you still buy Bioware games at release? Do you still enjoy Bioware's new games? Or are you disatisfied with their latest games they have made?

I've enjoyed every bioware game I've played. Including those that other seemed not to like. They weren't perfect but there was good stuff in there.

Getting ready to play DA 2 again and will probably re-up for SWToR.

So "yes" I'll buy their games again.

  Unlight

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6/29/12 12:40:50 PM#43

Bioware is a thrall of EA now.  I won't buy anything that puts money into the pockets into the scourge of the games industry, at release or after.

  Betaguy

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6/29/12 12:42:19 PM#44

Sure will. Every company fails on some level at some point.

  Anireth

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6/29/12 12:59:51 PM#45

Given the history of EA (Bullfrog, Origin, Maxis, Westwood, Distinctive Software (not exactly know, but made games like Stunts Need for Speed,  Test Drive, Castlevania and Metal Gear,), it's most likely EAs fault.

And user ratings on IMDB or metacritic obviously are not the one solution to judge a movie or game etc., but even the ones that suffer from users raging because of DRM (though from my experience, if there is a rage about stuff like DRM, it does indeed affect the whole game, justifiyng a way lower rating) still retain more credibility then the reviews from "professional" sites, MMORPG.com included, have since years.

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  Torgrim

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6/29/12 6:17:00 PM#46

If MMORPG give it a good grade, that's a really good sign to stay the fuck away from that crap.

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  Goreson

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6/29/12 6:42:54 PM#47
Originally posted by Isasis

Mass Effect 3...Dragon Age 2...and now SWTOR.

 

All have been heavily critizied. However, their older games...Mass Effect 1 and 2...Dragon Age 1...even before that...have been critically acclaimed. After they got bought by EA, it seems their games are no longer the quality they once were.

And SWTOR is already talking about turning free and losing a good portion of their servers. It did much horribly than anticipated.

Will you still buy Bioware games at release? Do you still enjoy Bioware's new games? Or are you disatisfied with their latest games they have made?

Oh man...

okay, first you shouldn't be listening to rumours! SWTOR is planned to be F2Plvl15, nothing more at this time. Which is not much different from what other MMORPGs have.

And most importantly, we don't even know the mechanics behind the F2Plvl15, it may just be that they are waiving the cost of the box if you want to keep on playing, just set up a sub.

But hey, speculation...

Now, you said it yourself BW has a long list of acclaimed winners under its belt, most obviously (for me) Baldur's Gate.

So yes, I would in theory give BW the benefit of the doubt when looking at buying one of their games.

But here is where I see you quite different than me:

You are a games junkie, me not. (I'm a movie junkie ;-) )

I bought ME at some point in time when it was cheap, didn't really play it, sold it, not because it was bad but because I just wasn't interested in it.

Never played any DA games.

Bought KOTOR1, ran like crap on the system I had back then plus I hated the controls, gave that one away.

Never bothered with ME2 or ME3 or KOTOR2.

Beta-tested SWTOR, basically just to see how bad it would run on my new laptop, found it surprising good, been playing it since early access.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't buy a game just because the BW logo is on it. Anybody who does that is in my mind rather stupid.

I look at whether this game could be interesting to me (usually), sometimes I will go by price, but I can still control myself and not jump on that next "superduper" game from my favorite company X.

Plus: I've come to mostly focus again on MMORPGs, so a singleplayer game would be less likely on my radar to pop up in the first place.

Now, should you ask if BW were to do another MMORPG would I buy that?

Well, the advantage with MMORPGs is that pretty much all of them offer beta test access (without having to pre-order/purchase the game) so yeah, if I got to test it and I'd like what I see there, yeah, I would buy another BW game.

  MMOman101

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6/29/12 6:45:04 PM#48

I don't buy any games that EA makes or produces. 

  Silverbarr

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6/29/12 6:57:52 PM#49

Sadly Bioware just isn't the same company that it was during it's Black Isle days, hell even before and shortly after EA took over.

 

Seen it happen with many of my old time favourite developers and just taken it as a natural occurence nowadays with game development being big money for publishers - therefore I will only buy another Bioware game if I believe it would be a worthwhile investment - such as the old days of ~100+ hours, otherwise it's technically just another money grab for the publishers by using an iconic studios name.

 

Since Biowares main game designers have moved on to other studios there really isn't much hope of that.

 

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  fivoroth

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6/30/12 3:19:49 AM#50

It really depends on the game. I love a lot of Bioware's game including the Baldur's gate series and NWN. 

Mass Effect is one of the best game trilogy I have played in a very long time. I personally enjoyed them all equally. ME3's ending was good. I really liked it that they didn't go for a cheesy ending where Shepard and company destroy the reapers and they lived happily ever after and Shepard gets married and has a gazillion children and dies out of old age.

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  Hybridvampyr

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7/01/12 10:26:36 AM#51

I never judge a game by the Publisher or the Development studio and instead go off if the game looks like fun.

If BioWares next game looks interesting i shall pick it up. If its something that doesn't interest me then i'll give it a miss, Same goes for any other publisher or studio.

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  Chuzpah

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7/01/12 12:14:39 PM#52

I think that Bioware can still produce a good game, however, perhaps they will consider buying the company back from EA and running themselves again after thier recent problems with titles like Mass Effect 3 and SWTOR.

  Souldrainer

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7/02/12 3:34:23 AM#53
List of Bioware failures: Well, that was a short list. YMMV, but I personally love all their games. Granted, DA1/2 and SWTOR have flaws, but to call them failures is quite a large stretch IMO.

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  fenistil

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7/02/12 3:44:57 AM#54

Don't like their games for years.

 

I absolutely love BG2 one of best games in my life and I can still play it after all those years.

 

Kotor - well was ok game. Not great but ok.

 

DA1 - average, but they changed their approach to little bit better so I hoped that maybe this showed change (and return to BG ways) in how they make games.  God I was wrong.

 

Bioware now makes interactive movies games like ME series ,  Swtor and sometimes interactive movies with addition of insane number of filler meaningless combat = DA2.   Bioware is just aiming at most mainstream of mainstream audience. (+ BW fans)

 

Not my style of games. For me those games are seriously BAD.  Unless there is TOTALLY DRASTIC CHANGE in their game design - I don't think I'll ever buy their games again AT ALL.

 

Not just not at release.

  JoeyMMO

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7/02/12 6:03:15 AM#55
Originally posted by Isasis
Originally posted by sumdumguy1
Originally posted by Isasis

Mass Effect 3...Dragon Age 2...and now SWTOR.

 

All have been heavily critizied. However, their older games...Mass Effect 1 and 2...Dragon Age 1...even before that...have been critically acclaimed. After they got bought by EA, it seems their games are no longer the quality they once were.

And SWTOR is already talking about turning free and losing a good portion of their servers. It did much horribly than anticipated.

Will you still buy Bioware games at release? Do you still enjoy Bioware's new games? Or are you disatisfied with their latest games they have made?

You probably need to take Mass Effect 3 off that list.  With the exception of the ending, it was a pretty good game.  Many many people have very high praises for ME3.

The metacritic user score says different

 While that metacritic score isn't everything, the ending did ruin the entire series for many even if the game wasn't bad at all. They created over the top expectations and underdelivered yet again. EA still has moneymakers, but they're not BW products.

BW sin't on a winning streak, but to say I wouldn't play a BW game just because BW made it is a bit too much.

  xenogias

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7/02/12 6:07:19 AM#56
Originally posted by Isasis

Mass Effect 3...Dragon Age 2...and now SWTOR.

 

All have been heavily critizied. However, their older games...Mass Effect 1 and 2...Dragon Age 1...even before that...have been critically acclaimed. After they got bought by EA, it seems their games are no longer the quality they once were.

And SWTOR is already talking about turning free and losing a good portion of their servers. It did much horribly than anticipated.

Will you still buy Bioware games at release? Do you still enjoy Bioware's new games? Or are you disatisfied with their latest games they have made?

I will for a single player, not an MMO. But I would take ME3 out of that. ME3 was actually a VERRY good game up untill the last 10min or so. And while the endings are still below average for what I would expect, the fact that they gave people a free update to extend the ending means alot to me as a consumer. I dont really like the extended endings. I think they are still poorly written. But the fact they did it in the first place was a big step in the right direction.  Fans demanded it, they delivered. I think my bigger issue isnt with Bioware but that EA really tries to ruin everything they get thier hands on.

  thexrated

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7/02/12 6:10:44 AM#57
Originally posted by JoeyMMO
Originally posted by Isasis
Originally posted by sumdumguy1
Originally posted by Isasis

Mass Effect 3...Dragon Age 2...and now SWTOR.

 

All have been heavily critizied. However, their older games...Mass Effect 1 and 2...Dragon Age 1...even before that...have been critically acclaimed. After they got bought by EA, it seems their games are no longer the quality they once were.

And SWTOR is already talking about turning free and losing a good portion of their servers. It did much horribly than anticipated.

Will you still buy Bioware games at release? Do you still enjoy Bioware's new games? Or are you disatisfied with their latest games they have made?

You probably need to take Mass Effect 3 off that list.  With the exception of the ending, it was a pretty good game.  Many many people have very high praises for ME3.

The metacritic user score says different

 While that metacritic score isn't everything, the ending did ruin the entire series for many even if the game wasn't bad at all. They created over the top expectations and underdelivered yet again. EA still has moneymakers, but they're not BW products.

Many of the zeros and ones were also given when they included rather expensive first day DLC. The game itself was good and people differ in their opinions about the ending.

I also don't think that SWTOR is that bad game. It depends what type of games you like. Most fun I had with SWTOR was not with the end-game, but levelling with friends. I was pretty happy with the game for the first few months. I also do not expect to get more out of any new MMOs these days.

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  jpnz

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7/02/12 7:40:16 AM#58

Mark me as a 'fanboy' but I can't recall regretting spending $60 on a game from Bioware.

If it entertains me for more than 2 hours (cost of a movie) than I'm coming out ahead. :)

 

The 'ME3 Extended End DLC' is seriously good stuff I feel. Then again, I had no issue with the original ending.

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  The-Moebius

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7/02/12 8:06:14 AM#59

Yeah i think the fail charges are pretty trumped up.

ME3 was a  great game, and continual free DLC since (multiplayer and Extended cut) provided. The whole ending debacle is way overblown by all of us who got wayyy overinvested in their story and as such had very high expectations of the finale, the EC amended the poor ending and is now a reasonable ending.

DA2 was going in the wrong direction for my tastes but  was still a good game.

SWTOR while not doing enarly as well as most hoped/projected brought some great elements to a very tough space, but suffering from a fairly universal MMORPG problem of development time/cycle was out of synch with player expectations/innovations. 

Bioware produce great games still, admittedly i liked the spirit of their earlier productions better, but their later installments are still head and shoulders above most other games IMO.

Something that Bioware get right which keeps me buying tickets is that their worlds are rich and immersive with great interactive stories.

  iceman00

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7/02/12 9:45:19 PM#60
Originally posted by sumdumguy1
Originally posted by Isasis

Mass Effect 3...Dragon Age 2...and now SWTOR.

 

All have been heavily critizied. However, their older games...Mass Effect 1 and 2...Dragon Age 1...even before that...have been critically acclaimed. After they got bought by EA, it seems their games are no longer the quality they once were.

And SWTOR is already talking about turning free and losing a good portion of their servers. It did much horribly than anticipated.

Will you still buy Bioware games at release? Do you still enjoy Bioware's new games? Or are you disatisfied with their latest games they have made?

You probably need to take Mass Effect 3 off that list.  With the exception of the ending, it was a pretty good game.  Many many people have very high praises for ME3.

Some things they did were great.  The few genuine choices you could make in the game were amazing.  The decision over what to do with the quarian and the geth was very well done.  The genophage one, not as good, but still well done.  Hell, even a possibility to control the Reapers could've been epic, but they royally screwed it up.

But there were realy criticisms.  The sidequests were annoying as hell the way they were designed.  The forced multiplayer.  The utter pointlessness of war assets (if you wanted the "best" ending, you had to play MP, that simple.)

I honestly place it 3rd in the series.  ME2 was the height of the series.  Perfect mix of good action and a good story with meaningful characters.  (mostly.)  I honestly never thought the hidden diceroll stuff worked that well in ME1.

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