Originally posted by stragen001

I have never really played Eve, but it is clearly a harsh game with "emergent" gameplay created by the players.

All this hulkageddon stuff just seems like a power trip by the goons and especially the mittani.

The reason they can do this is because they are organised. Why dont all the miners and their corps etc get organised and repeatedly and consistently gank the mittani. Continuously. For weeks and months. Everytime anyone sees him, tell everyone you know and get a fleet together to kick his ass.

He will then get bored and /ragequit because he isnt "The Big Man" anymore. 

Dont target goons in general. Just all target the mittani specifically - everyone in the game. That'll bring him down a peg.

Organizing and coordinating large numbers of players is not as easy as you make it sound. As someone who is red to goons I do have to give them kudos for their high level of organization. We've gone roaming to their "space capital" a few times and each time we were mindful to gank a few people and go as fast as we came because of their ability to marshal large numbers of players in a relatively short period of time.

Mittani is literally like space jesus to the EVE goons. You would be hard pressed to get to him without going thru a goon army, its not like he's chilling around the places the average joe player hangs out in high sec. The dude literally orders invasions and whole regions of EVE get flooded by thousands of goon + allies. He's good at getting large numbers of ppl to sit at their PCs for him because he makes it fun for them. Part of making it fun for his followers is to make it not fun for everyone else and then gloating about "winning".

Originally posted by Czanrei

Originally posted by Teala

It was announced today, by the Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm, former CSM chairman, that Hulkageddon will not end for the forciable future and that payouts to those that destroy mining barges, exhumers, orcas, etc, etc, will continue to be payed out to those pilots that get 10 kills.    To read more...go to the link provided below for offical announcement.

Goonswarm Federation: Sponsoring Emergent Gameplay!  <<< clicky

 

Supporting this type of gameplay is pathetic pure and simple. These types of gamers are nothing but online terrorists and bullys, nothing to be proud of in the least. 

Mittani bin Laden.  I like the sound of that.  Maybe you should report him to the Dept of Homeland Security.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

APOC mining, safe and effective, even if not terribly efficient.

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Comparing APOC to Hulk? You are either trying to be funny or ignorant...

And you clearly haven't been paying attention to this thread. Of course the APOC can't mine as well as the Hulk, hence the "not terribly efficient" phrase. The idea is to use a much tougher ship for mining. Sure, you won't mine as much, but you can take quite a pounding before you die unlike what a Hulk could take so you'll be much less likely to get ganked.

Side note, I'm surprised Kyleran suggested the Apoc and not the Rokh; the Apoc has serious CPU issues when fitted for mining.

Originally posted by stragen001

I have never really played Eve, but it is clearly a harsh game with "emergent" gameplay created by the players.

All this hulkageddon stuff just seems like a power trip by the goons and especially the mittani.

The reason they can do this is because they are organised. Why dont all the miners and their corps etc get organised and repeatedly and consistently gank the mittani. Continuously. For weeks and months. Everytime anyone sees him, tell everyone you know and get a fleet together to kick his ass.

He will then get bored and /ragequit because he isnt "The Big Man" anymore. 

Dont target goons in general. Just all target the mittani specifically - everyone in the game. That'll bring him down a peg.

Mittens famously doesn't even log in much. He plays EVE via the metagame; communicating with people via forums, Jabber, Skype. To beat him in the way you're suggesting would be impossible, and would be meaningless even if you managed it. He could carry on playing EVE in the way he does now even if CCP banned all his accounts and censored his name from the forums.

Originally posted by Kiljaedenas

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Kyleran

APOC mining, safe and effective, even if not terribly efficient.

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Comparing APOC to Hulk? You are either trying to be funny or ignorant...

And you clearly haven't been paying attention to this thread. Of course the APOC can't mine as well as the Hulk, hence the "not terribly efficient" phrase. The idea is to use a much tougher ship for mining. Sure, you won't mine as much, but you can take quite a pounding before you die unlike what a Hulk could take so you'll be much less likely to get ganked.

Side note, I'm surprised Kyleran suggested the Apoc and not the Rokh; the Apoc has serious CPU issues when fitted for mining.

Hey, I never said I was a miner, but I do recall fitting a BS to do some mining, might have been a Rokh, my characters can fly both.

And you are correct, I was suggesting that it is possible to mine at less than optimal efficiency if one wishes to make getting ganked less possible.

Besides, I've been a way from EVE for a while, starting to forget some things, happens at my age.

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Originally posted by Kiljaedenas

And you clearly haven't been paying attention to this thread.

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Clearly I do as poster admitted himself that he isn't very knowledgeable about mining.

Possible must not be also viable.

sweet good to know...

well then y not fight fire w fire n bounty them?

im sure theyd b hunted down by  bounty hunters if the prize is right.

n im sure theyd ave it harder to b up to mischief if they thmself get targeted and hunted down :)

or perhaps have good cloaked battleships nearby to ambush them?

Originally posted by dorugu

well then y not fight fire w fire n bounty them?

im sure theyd b hunted down by  bounty hunters if the prize is right.

n im sure theyd ave it harder to b up to mischief if they thmself get targeted and hunted down :)

or perhaps have good cloaked battleships nearby to ambush them?

 

They would collect the bounty on themselves.

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by dorugu

well then y not fight fire w fire n bounty them?

im sure theyd b hunted down by  bounty hunters if the prize is right.

n im sure theyd ave it harder to b up to mischief if they thmself get targeted and hunted down :)

or perhaps have good cloaked battleships nearby to ambush them?

 

They would collect the bounty on themselves.

yep they would just have one of their corp mates kill them, or better yet, an alt account.

Originally posted by Derros

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by dorugu

well then y not fight fire w fire n bounty them?

im sure theyd b hunted down by  bounty hunters if the prize is right.

n im sure theyd ave it harder to b up to mischief if they thmself get targeted and hunted down :)

or perhaps have good cloaked battleships nearby to ambush them?

 

They would collect the bounty on themselves.

yep they would just have one of their corp mates kill them, or better yet, an alt account.

And there's the breakdown of the system.  When there really are no negatives to doing it, why not act like a homicidal chimpanzee with a rape fetish?  Emergent gameplay in EVE is little more than an exercise in creative rogering.  How exciting.

Is the word 'ironic' used in a situation like this?

Hulkageddon destroys ships that can only be built via technitium which Goonswarm and its allies have sole control over.

Originally posted by dave6660

Originally posted by Salio69

people are already posting on the general eve forums that they are unsubbing. oh boy, those investors arent going to be to happy about that.

When are players not posting that they're unsubbing.  Put them on watch list and see how many of them follow through on their threats.

A few months ago, I thought I'd try Eve again.  I played beta and then bought it on release.  Played for a year or so.  Now came back after years of not playing.  My character is a miner, I worked hard getting his skills and mining ship.  I re-subscribed right into Hulkgriefon.  So basically I had to essentially start over since I couldn't really play my miner.

I let my single-month sub run out.  So I unsubbed, and didn't post anything about it.  I just wanted to throw out another perspective out there.  Whether you support or oppose the behaviors plagueing Eve, the fact is, people ARE in fact leaving the game.  Yes, Eve is "sandbox", a "play it however you want to play it" game.  But when your survival is largely based on the few "choices" you have in how you decide to play the game, the fun is gone for all the people who would rather not be a ganker, griefer or scammer.

In short, I came back to eve after about 6 years of not playing.  Then I basically couldn't even play my character because of this "hulkageddon" farce crappy excuse for the "it's a sandbox game--deal with it" attitude.  Sorry, but when CCP says their game is fun and should appeal to all players, and then turn around and support a player who pays people to go wreak havok in secure space, goes against what EVE is claimed to be all about.  Anyway, I'm not going back; not gonna pay money for a game where I have to conform to the status quo or else die.

Originally posted by Giluvas

 Sorry, but when CCP says their game is fun and should appeal to all players, and then turn around and support a player who pays people to go wreak havok in secure space, goes against what EVE is claimed to be all about.  Anyway, I'm not going back; not gonna pay money for a game where I have to conform to the status quo or else die.

I wouldn't go as far as saying CCP supports it rather I would say that it would go against thier philosophy to make a special case and intervene in what is essentially a player run world. In fact intervention would be against what EVE is about, players created the "farce" as you call it and its up to players to try and stop it. There is consistency there.

Originally posted by jpnz

Is the word 'ironic' used in a situation like this?

Hulkageddon destroys ships that can only be built via technitium which Goonswarm and its allies have sole control over.

Looks pretty ironic to me!