Originally posted by goemoe

Guild Wars 2 is not just the next MMO, like so many before, it is B2P. Loads of people will buy it, many already did. They will start to play and currently I doubt many things will go worng. But even it if is the case. The money has been earned by ArenaNet and they will continue to fix it, to create more stuff for the game and everyone who bought the game can reenter, whenever they want to.  There is no more payment in any form as it is with all the other major titles.

If SWTOR would be B2P, perhaps I would play it again next year or so, but I won't resub it. But I have faith ;) I think GW 2 will have much more content, much more hooks for me and others to play on after the first toon hits 80. The release is 2 months away, they will have time to fix this and that even before the release hits the shelves...

True, people will play it a while, take a break, try again and so on. Or at least that was how it was with GW1.

Sky is falling, 

A great danger is coming,

blablablabla,

etc, etc ...

or the usual overworried thread right after release date announcement.

My only real concern is that the game itself will get boring too soon because of lack of endgame content, theorycrafting, etc.

And this is coming from one of GW1s biggest fans.

Bugs get fixed... game elements on the other hand...

Honestly? I'm not THAT worried.

The main reason for this is that I seriously never came across a bug or a issue in all the BWEs and Stress Tests I was in already.

The only small issue that I came across in the last stress test was very minor lag in two occassions for like 2 seconds each and that was all about it.

The game plays very smooth and fluid and to me it looks more than ready.

So having 2 more months for fixes and introduction of the Asura and Sylvari is plenty with the great team ANet has at work and all the alpha/beta testers that are testing the game outside of the BWEs and Stress Tests aswell. :)

Rather very happy that we got a release date we can look forward to now.

The game in its current state based on BWE 2 and the stress test Is by far the most stable MMO that I've ever played if it was to already be in its final launch build. It optimises well on my low end lap top and plays amazingly on max settings on my rig. 

There are obviously some balance issues and some weapon sets are more effective than others but the evolution of class balance is something that is constantly evolving.

In comparison to SWTOR, RIFT, WAR, FFXI, WoW, Global Agenda, LORTO, AOC, Star Trek Online, Aeon the game is far more content rich, a ton more fun to play from level 1, and farely stable in comparison to all of the above on release day. and we still have 2 months and one more bwe to get those last glitches out.

If you consider how much they stressed "it will launch when it is ready" I think we can safely assume, they will iron out all bugs. When it comes to new features you ask for that's another matter which not necessarily is in their schedule.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

i can already see how gw2 is going to go

 

everyone will quit there current mmos,whine all day about bugs,etc at release(yeah,because its not exactly out of the ordinary for a mmo at launch to have bugs and stuff)and then they'll just bail it like they did with swtor

i wonder when the mmo community is going to just stop and think.maybe it isnt the companys that are failing when it comes to mmos,but its us

Agreed!

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Sixpax

Originally posted by Badaboom

Valid point OP, but I would hold off on your concerns until after BW3.  As in, let's wait to see what has happened between now and July 20.

I agree.  I think the July 20 BWE will really be a good view of what the released version will look like.  If it has tons of bugs, missing content, and stability issues at that time, then I'll be concerned.

I hope BWE3 is not cpu-bound again, otherwise I'll be annoyed.

^^^^ My only major concern...there seemed to be a problem for the 500 series Nvidia cards.  Since 600's had been released a few days, not sure if there was an issue with them.  Since both mine and my wifes computers are running these video cards, and my FPS's never changed with changes to the video settings and the game continuoulsy crashed on my wife's machine I'm hoping Anet and Nvidia get there heads wired together properly and get these problems ironed out soon.

GUI will not be changed for user customizability until after release, if at all.  This will probably be an issue that will be a deal breaker for some, but IMHO, is a necessity for one main reason:  Consoles.

Originally posted by thedarkess

Let's leave something for after launch. We are just tired of waiting. We want to play the dammed game. We can handle some updates after launch too.

This :). For what i saw so far, GW2 is in better shape right now than many games are at release day.

I have yet to encounter a single "game breaking" bug in GW2. The game is also way more stable than some games like TSW, which is supposed to use the tested and fixed Age of Conan engine... yet still experiences regular crashes to desktop.

GW2 in beta is more stable and smooth than many MMORPGs after their release. I'm not worried about that.

I too am worried. My concern is not the 8 pages of bugs but the two missing races. Not having the Asura and the Sylvari part of the BWE is almost frightening. What is going to happen when thousands of players jump into those races startup area on release day - in areas that have not been a part of ANY stress testing? I fear the worse.

I do agree with most of the posters - this game is ready for release (at least for the three races shown so far). GW2 is more ready for release than any game I have tried in the last 3 years. I too am looking forward to it (already bought it). I just don't want my first login (it will be Asura or Sylvari) to be a lag disaster.

dont worry, be happy mate. even though i stopped playing GW1 immediately after hearing that GW2 is in production (oh how foolish of me, didnt know it will take that long), i will instabuy GW2 simply because how awesome GW1 was. Have faith in them.

I will gladly pay for open beta and wait patiently until they fix everything step by step. i am so into playing ASAP. its all thanks to diablo3 which turned out to be not that awesome, but this is offtop

Originally posted by botrytis

Originally posted by Sixpax

Originally posted by botrytis

The missing content was due to the fact they didn't want to show much of it early to keep it new and exciting. There will always be bugs in software, don't kid yourself. It is only important if it cuases crashes, etc. My wife always says the last bug in software is fixed when the last user is dead.

That's not "missing content" that's "undisclosed content".  I'm referring to things like no voice-overs on some cutscenes (saw plenty of that).  And I agree on the bugs... minor bugs, meh, but client crashing bugs (which plagued me in BWE2 but not BWE1) need to be ironed out.  Again though, it's better to wait until BWE3 before this topic is even worth discussing.

Well - I had no crashing issues what so ever. Must be your machine. If everyone had the issue then yes it is a problem but since it was you - check what you have running in the background. There might be a 'Blizzard game crash' app running - JOKING!!!

Ok good to know others weren't having the crashing that I experienced.  I won't rule out a problem with my machine, but my wife's computer is completely different hardware wise and she crashed 3 or 4 times a day during BWE2 as well.  Of course it could also be our network, but then I'd expect it to affect at least 1 other online games we play (which it doesn't), and we didn't see the same problem in BWE1.  The only app we have running that's the same is our AV software so I'll try disabling that for the next BWE, but it has never affected any games we play, and again it didn't affect BWE1.  Hopefully it's something simple like that though.

Originally posted by Roybe

Originally posted by seridan

Originally posted by Sixpax

Originally posted by Badaboom

Valid point OP, but I would hold off on your concerns until after BW3.  As in, let's wait to see what has happened between now and July 20.

I agree.  I think the July 20 BWE will really be a good view of what the released version will look like.  If it has tons of bugs, missing content, and stability issues at that time, then I'll be concerned.

I hope BWE3 is not cpu-bound again, otherwise I'll be annoyed.

^^^^ My only major concern...there seemed to be a problem for the 500 series Nvidia cards.  Since 600's had been released a few days, not sure if there was an issue with them.  Since both mine and my wifes computers are running these video cards, and my FPS's never changed with changes to the video settings and the game continuoulsy crashed on my wife's machine I'm hoping Anet and Nvidia get there heads wired together properly and get these problems ironed out soon.

 

GUI will not be changed for user customizability until after release, if at all.  This will probably be an issue that will be a deal breaker for some, but IMHO, is a necessity for one main reason:  Consoles.

 

Originally posted by tordurbar

I too am worried. My concern is not the 8 pages of bugs but the two missing races. Not having the Asura and the Sylvari part of the BWE is almost frightening. What is going to happen when thousands of players jump into those races startup area on release day - in areas that have not been a part of ANY stress testing? I fear the worse.

I do agree with most of the posters - this game is ready for release (at least for the three races shown so far). GW2 is more ready for release than any game I have tried in the last 3 years. I too am looking forward to it (already bought it). I just don't want my first login (it will be Asura or Sylvari) to be a lag disaster.

They do have a core group of internal testers numbering in the thousands if I'm not mistaken.  So I would imagine they've tested the Asura/Sylvari areas just about as much.

Also, I think the stress test is more for the server code/infrastructure, not for the software "zones."  As long as the servers can keep up (which they can test with any zone), the zons will work the same for everyone.

Just an FYI - ~120 MB patch for GW2 streaming down if you start your client.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by goemoe

Guild Wars 2 is not just the next MMO, like so many before, it is B2P. Loads of people will buy it, many already did. They will start to play and currently I doubt many things will go worng. But even it if is the case. The money has been earned by ArenaNet and they will continue to fix it, to create more stuff for the game and everyone who bought the game can reenter, whenever they want to.  There is no more payment in any form as it is with all the other major titles.

If SWTOR would be B2P, perhaps I would play it again next year or so, but I won't resub it. But I have faith ;) I think GW 2 will have much more content, much more hooks for me and others to play on after the first toon hits 80. The release is 2 months away, they will have time to fix this and that even before the release hits the shelves...

True, people will play it a while, take a break, try again and so on. Or at least that was how it was with GW1.

and still like that ,telling you for experiance like miself  .

i play gw1 for 4 and half years  then quit like a year playing aion ,and came back like 4 month later doing mi full HOM once i finish mi HOM wish it took me like 2 and half month (it wasnt in 0 ihave already lot of point then finish) i play skyrim then swtor just 1 month,then back again to do mi title (god walking amore mere mortals) wish took me really 2 weeks after come back on game cause i dint have it planned .

its still pretty good and best pvp ever made and a balance game .

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

I'd like to see this 8 page bug report... link please? After beta testing the last BWE which had far less issues than another game I just beta tested which launches tomorrow, I'm not in the least bit concerned. Than again, some game companies don't care about releasing unfinished or broken products. So even if GW2 for some reason had a bum launch, at least they aren't the only ones.

It wasn't 8 pages of bugs. He's exaggerating. It was the only forum topic available so folks were using it to talk about anything and everything. Some bug reports, of course, but not some entire eight pages. Not to mention since as many stated in this thread they had better performance in BWE2 than the stress test then simple logic tells you a simple build was utilized for the stress test so he shouldn't even have made that such an intense barometer for his concerns. Folks have said that here as well but he seems to be ignoring it even though it is very much logical. Not like the build suddenly regressed after a bout of depression or something.

So if these issues were big in BWE2 I could understand concern but they weren't. In fact, gameplay improved from BWE1 to BWE2. That means they addressed concerns, bugs and known issues. So why would I suddenly be concerned if they already display the quality needed to be assertive in addressing issues? If they ignored them it would be a different story.

In any case let's be real. They could have made no announcement and December roll around and a post like this would still be tossed up. There will always...always be 'IT'S TOO SOON!' posts when it comes to releases. I've seen some with TSW and that release was actually pushed back. There will always be someone to do these things.

Originally posted by Bridger

Originally posted by tordurbar

I too am worried. My concern is not the 8 pages of bugs but the two missing races. Not having the Asura and the Sylvari part of the BWE is almost frightening. What is going to happen when thousands of players jump into those races startup area on release day - in areas that have not been a part of ANY stress testing? I fear the worse.

I do agree with most of the posters - this game is ready for release (at least for the three races shown so far). GW2 is more ready for release than any game I have tried in the last 3 years. I too am looking forward to it (already bought it). I just don't want my first login (it will be Asura or Sylvari) to be a lag disaster.

They do have a core group of internal testers numbering in the thousands if I'm not mistaken.  So I would imagine they've tested the Asura/Sylvari areas just about as much.

Also, I think the stress test is more for the server code/infrastructure, not for the software "zones."  As long as the servers can keep up (which they can test with any zone), the zons will work the same for everyone.

That's what the overflow servers are there for? They will just push the extra onto those servers to spread out the load.