"You do not get to "fix" things like WoW did becuase players will simply move on to the next game."

thats the problem i see with the mmo community today.they dont generally want to say "oh theres some bugs,and some flaws.but they'll eventually get fixed and the game will be ok".they just say "this game isnt perfect out of the box,goodbye"

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"You do not get to "fix" things like WoW did becuase players will simply move on to the next game."

thats the problem i see with the mmo community today.they dont generally want to say "oh theres some bugs,and some flaws.but they'll eventually get fixed and the game will be ok".they just say "this game isnt perfect out of the box,goodbye"

 

 

anyone dont expect bugs on a game should give up of play any game, since bugs exist in any game, not just on MMORPG.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"You do not get to "fix" things like WoW did becuase players will simply move on to the next game."

thats the problem i see with the mmo community today.they dont generally want to say "oh theres some bugs,and some flaws.but they'll eventually get fixed and the game will be ok".they just say "this game isnt perfect out of the box,goodbye"

 

 

I see it as two problems. What you said plus the "I Just spent every waking hour on this game for 3 weeks straight because I have no life, or I put my life on hold for the game. Now I have nothing to do. OMG this game doesn't have enough content I'm leaving".

People go all out in video games...I'm not sure why. I think in the end that ruins it for most of them. People need to slow down and do other things with their life. Granted I've "moved on" from a large number of MMOs (and sometimes rather quickly) but it is NEVER because of reaching max/runing out of content...it is usually because the content ceases to be fun. In fact...I can't remember the last MMO I actually reached max level on...they don't hold my attention until then (again not because of lack of content, just because of poor content).

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"You do not get to "fix" things like WoW did becuase players will simply move on to the next game."

thats the problem i see with the mmo community today.they dont generally want to say "oh theres some bugs,and some flaws.but they'll eventually get fixed and the game will be ok".they just say "this game isnt perfect out of the box,goodbye"

 

 

I've played a few BWEs the biggest bug I've encountered was the auction house having some items in french rather than english.

Professions are constantly tweaked throughout the life of an MMO and with only one exception (WAR bright wizard) most mmos havent suffered greatly from needing to tweak classes.

Most of the people I've spoke to about the game seem to think it's fun and worth playing, bugs and all. Unless they introduce a bug that affects a large portion of the population, I don't see any minor glitches as ruining the games reputation.

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"You do not get to "fix" things like WoW did becuase players will simply move on to the next game."

thats the problem i see with the mmo community today.they dont generally want to say "oh theres some bugs,and some flaws.but they'll eventually get fixed and the game will be ok".they just say "this game isnt perfect out of the box,goodbye"

 

 

I can see why some would think this but I personally do not agree that people leave games because of a few bugs. I know I expect some in the early stages of a releases title and some when they add expansions and patches so I can only speak for myself and from experience that no MMO I have ever played has been bug free and has yet to be the real reason I leave. I may take a break and come back to see if they fixed what was bothering me.

I think the real reason it seems like people jump ship is because almost every MMO post wow has not only cloned the game, but saw the success Blizzard was having and made a cash grab on a market by throwing out games that were watered down ALL while trying to cash in on sub money. I can't tell you (actually I could if I bothered to go look) how many MMO titles I bought only to lose interest within the first month and it's has not once been due to bugs. It has to do more with me trying to figure out is this game worth what they are trying to charge me a month and the answer has almost always been NO. I gave a few a couple months to see if I was just in a funk and I usually wind up going back to the older titles I played because the games just haven't grabbed my attention. 

Sure we see a lot of complaints about bugs from consumers, but I doubt peoples reasons for leaving fall solely on bugs and flaws, unless you mean design flaws aka WoW clones. GW2 has already shown me that I have gotten my moneys worth (3 copies bought so far) on only 3 BWE's. I am sure the game will be just fine.

my only concern its not playing the game right now

well i guess for all the concerns :p youd have to see until the final BWE xD then its the make or break for people. but then youd have already purchased it xD and not login till its ready for u haha

Originally posted by Vutar

This game had better have spectacular improvement in the next BWE or this will be just one more MMO in a long line that fails to meet expectations. The same people demanding the game be released are those who will be here a month later bashing it or moving on to the next hyped game. I really thought Anet was going to take their time and make sure the game was "ready." as they said. Having been in tons of beta tests for MMOs, I cannot fathom how they are going to fix all the problems this game still has by 28 August.

There were over 8 pages of just "bugs." in the few hour stress test yesterday. That does not even take into account things like the UI not being customizable. They would not allow any discussion yesterday in regard to improvements. All threads on that were locked. Likely they will be concentrating on squashing bugs for the next two months.  While good to get those taken care of, it is bad for anyone wanting any type significant improvment in gameplay systems. They will not want to implement anything major knowing that more bugs could come up before release.

I really like GW2 and think it could be a great game. However, if they release without implementing many of the improvements that were all over the forums during/after last BWE, it simply will not be a great game.

/sadface

Yeah this isn't the same Anet it seems, hope to be proven wrong. This doesn't sound like "When it's done", someone above but the hammer to them. Now it's going to happen, regardless. That to me is simply the facts of what we are seeing. We know the game isn't final ready, so how can they know on Aug 28th all will be right? Might be another wait it out mmo, which isn't so bad since they all seem to be that now.

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by Vesavius

Originally posted by BartDaCat

Originally posted by coretex666

Is it really such a problem if the game contains several minor bugs when it is released? The game will get polished quickly I believe.

No MMO launches free of minor bugs. The community just needs to be a little patient and show some understanding and everything will be fine :)

If I were in your shoes, I would not worry so much. I believe the game will be ok

This +1.

 

I agree as well, but any dev putting their faith in the patience and understanding of the internet is a fool.

Saying that, I expect bugs to be in at launch, no matter how long they postpone it, because I am not a MMORPG newb.

I believe we as a community need to stop thinking like this. In what other industry do we expect and accept problems with the finished product? Erm, all of them?

I get it. We're gamers and we're impatient, and this is how it's been done since the beginning. But how about the concept of not announcing the game years in advance of release, taking the time to finish it and iron out the bugs, and then release it with a few months notice.

I feel like modern MMO developers are really taking advantage of the fact that we'll buy whatever unfinished crap they deign to serve us. The above highlighted text is proof of that.

I totally disagree.

The 'community' needs to do the opposite because should a flawless MMO ever be released, it will be so out of date by launch, no-one would play it.

There is no such thing as an exact science and nothing is ever perfect, because perfect is a fluid concept.

Aryas

Guild Wars 2 is not just the next MMO, like so many before, it is B2P. Loads of people will buy it, many already did. They will start to play and currently I doubt many things will go worng. But even it if is the case. The money has been earned by ArenaNet and they will continue to fix it, to create more stuff for the game and everyone who bought the game can reenter, whenever they want to.  There is no more payment in any form as it is with all the other major titles.

If SWTOR would be B2P, perhaps I would play it again next year or so, but I won't resub it. But I have faith ;) I think GW 2 will have much more content, much more hooks for me and others to play on after the first toon hits 80. The release is 2 months away, they will have time to fix this and that even before the release hits the shelves...

eight pages of bugs mid beta? sounds great to me! it means they're keeping their eyes open and fixing things, even the little things. anyway. damn sight better than eight pages of bugs after launch. keep up the good work, anet!

I'd like to see this 8 page bug report... link please? After beta testing the last BWE which had far less issues than another game I just beta tested which launches tomorrow, I'm not in the least bit concerned. Than again, some game companies don't care about releasing unfinished or broken products. So even if GW2 for some reason had a bum launch, at least they aren't the only ones.

I think this is the disadvantage of letting a bigger audience in on beta tests that are actually used to test some things. I've been in various real closed beta's where only a couple hundred were invited and I've been in ongoing (always available and once in it you are until you quit yourself) pre-beta test programs for a game and have seen much buggier builds even closer to release only to be surprised by a new build 1 or 2 weeks before the public betas or even actual launch that solved almost all of them.

Of course I also want this game to be awesome so I'm a little bit nervous but you never know how far the internal builds are with improvements and bug squashing that they don't want to let the public in on yet because they want to focus the results of a BWE on certain aspects or for example have new systems in that lack only the polish but function correctly. Or bugs in the BWE build for which a solution is there that is interconnected with other stuff that they don't want to show us yet and therefor not enabled yet.

Originally posted by thedarkess

Let's leave something for after launch. We are just tired of waiting. We want to play the dammed game. We can handle some updates after launch too.

I'm totally with you bro!

Now let's enjoy the game already :)

To the OP, I do admit that this launch came sooner than I had expected, however judging from the MASSIVE improvement from BWE1 to BWE2, I can honestly say they will probably get everything taken care of before launch, especially since we have another BWE ahead of us a month before launch.

Honestly, I didn't see anything in the last BWE that struck me as something that would hurt the game.  The game was already extremely solid, there was only the occasional bug here and there but none of them hampered my gameplay or experience any.  Sure there will be bugs during launch, just like every game, but they are going to be miniscule and superficial.

Is it really the end of the world if there are some/moderate amount of bugs in the game at launch? They can fix them later as long as the game is fun and engaging, and the game mechanics are not fundamentally broken, this game will be great.

Obviously this post is ???

1) Sabotage attempt from TSW

2) Sabotage attempt from SWTOR

3) Sabotage attempt from WoW

4) Sabotage attempt from Perfect world

5) Sabotage attempt from "i can't quote them all" (there is so much bull*** around)

My god do you know that worrying that long, at least two month right? can shorten your life expectation?

I don't know what to think about such a post since I don't even know where those thoughts are coming from? Not one MMO ever came out without any problem or bugs at launch, where have you been the last 10 years?

HOw can your worries be legitimate? I'm worry about TSW a lot, also about Planetside 2, and still about SWTOR and I'm worried about all coming MMO and all MMO that came out last year has well, none of them are finished or well polish...

6) Sabotage attempt from SARCASME bOY, or FANBOY, or HATEBOY

7) Sabotage attempt from "pls, give me some attention"

Originally posted by CrunkJuice2

"You do not get to "fix" things like WoW did becuase players will simply move on to the next game."

thats the problem i see with the mmo community today.they dont generally want to say "oh theres some bugs,and some flaws.but they'll eventually get fixed and the game will be ok".they just say "this game isnt perfect out of the box,goodbye"

It is not that bad, but when a game have a certain amount of bugs you get the "AoC effect".

As long as you have more fun than being annoyed people usually give a game the chanse and keep playing even if most people do have a limited patience and must feel that the game is improving at a reasonable speed.

Most of the MMOs are sadly releasing in a horrible shape even though I must say that things have generally improved the last 3 years or so.